Self-Loathing

Montroseee

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country? The amount of people I've heard say things like they hate this kip, can't wait to leave etc. is just crazy. All things considered, it's really not a bad little country to live in.

Donkey Oaty

Montroseee wrote: »

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country? The amount of people I've heard say things like they hate this kip, can't wait to leave etc. is just crazy. All things considered, it's really not a bad little country to live in.

Take a look at the Holyhead thread - people can't wait to get back here.

Xios

Montroseee wrote: »

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country? The amount of people I've heard say things like they hate this kip, can't wait to leave etc. is just crazy. All things considered, it's really not a bad little country to live in.

Almost as bad as complaining about the locals themselves, as a local.

I like it cos I'm from here and my family and work are here. But compared to say, other Western European countries, it's not great

AnonoBoy

Montroseee wrote: »

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country?

It's a sin to waste a talent and we're f*cking good at moaning.

fran17

I blame the British joe.

AnonoBoy

fran17 wrote: »

I blame the British joe.

British Joe is ok. His accent is a bit funny but he's a decent guy. Don't blame him.

Jamaican Joe however - what a pr*ck. It's probably his fault.

valderrama1

Montroseee wrote: »

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country? The amount of people I've heard say things like they hate this kip, can't wait to leave etc. is just crazy. All things considered, it's really not a bad little country to live in.

Totally agree OP, look at other countries like US ("U S A, U S A" etc). Big difference in attitudes.
Maybe it's just in our tradition to emigrate....

AnonoBoy

valderrama1 wrote: »

Totally agree OP, look at other countries like US ("U S A, U S A" etc). Big difference in attitudes.
Maybe it's just in our tradition to emigrate....

Huge generalisation there.

The USA USA chant is used in the States to mock the idiots who mindlessly think their country is always right.

riffmongous

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Huge generalisation there.

The USA USA chant is used in the States to mock the idiots who mindlessly think their country is always right.

I've never heard it used by americans in a mocking way

Turtyturd

But do they loathe themselves?

davidfitz22

It's made worse by people who emigrated constantly posting "living the life" with a pictore of them on an australian beach.
I love my country. great sights in donegal,clare etc. dublin is one of the best cities in europe, food is tops and we all speak english

Electric Sheep

Montroseee wrote: »

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country? The amount of people I've heard say things like they hate this kip, can't wait to leave etc. is just crazy. All things considered, it's really not a bad little country to live in.

Ireland is not anybody's self. Complaining about Ireland has nothing to do with self loathing, it is making a realistic assessment of the country.

roro1990

It's all right if it wasn't so feckin cold in winter. I know there are obviously places around the continent which get much colder winters but still, cold weather in general is awful. And the early dark nights in winter. Basically just eradicate winter and it'd be a grand spot. But as it is, I'm thinking of heading temporarily to somewhere warmer to work like Thailand or Oz.

RobertKK

Love where I am from.
People may say Kilkenny isn't a city but it made international lists recently as the friendliest city in Europe, in top 10 in the world and only this week named on an international list as being in the top 10 happiest cities in the world.
We have a country we should be proud of, yes it could be better, but it could be far worse and some only want to see the negative rather than any positives.

Sound of Silence

Because people too often confuse cynicism with enlightenment.

Galwayguy35

More ofton than not the biggest moaners are those who live off the rest of us.

AboutaWeekAgo

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

More ofton than not the biggest moaners are those who live off the rest of us.

Didn't take long :pac:

Galwayguy35

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

Didn't take long :pac:

There's a bit of truth to it though.

Donkey Oaty

RobertKK wrote: »

only this week named on an international list as being in the top 10 happiest cities in the world.

Kilkenny is a fine place.

But let's put it in perspective - that was a list by an Independent journalist off the top of his head and carries no weight whatsoever.

That's the Irish Independent, by the way.

DEFTLEFTHAND

You see this in every country.

TheBeardedLady

davidfitz22 wrote: »

It's made worse by people who emigrated constantly posting "living the life" with a pictore of them on an australian beach.
I love my country. great sights in donegal,clare etc. dublin is one of the best cities in europe, food is tops and we all speak english

Most of the moaning I've encountered has been from people on here who didn't have the balls to leave a country they apparently hated.

Venus In Furs

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

You see this in every country.

I don't know if it's as prevalent in every other country though - unbelievable whingeyness about Ireland from Irish people. Maybe social media amplifies it - best not to read any forum other than Boards (which actually has intelligence!)
But there's lots of it on Boards too.
I get what people mean: there's the parochialism and the gombeenism, but there are the positives too, and it's annoying when these are ignored.
Also the pretending it's some sort of third world banana republic is utterly pathetic. Nothing wrong with comparing Ireland to Britain, France, Germany, the States etc but it's not credible to view such comparison as like with like. Ireland is a very small country, tiny compared to the above, most of which is rural. It's disingenuous to compare it directly to countries in which the industrial revolution took place.

What's quite amusing is when people constantly whinge about the way Irish people are whingers. :pac:

realtalk101

what I can't stand is this feminism that's ravaging-through Ireland right now, many people are marginalized in society ,it's not gender pacific. why should the top 5% white spoilt females in the west receive 90% of the media Attention ,where is the equality in that, It's the opposite of equality

I'm tired of listening to crap about Lego, social constructs ,ban bossy, and other crap these spoilt white brats talk

AnonoBoy

riffmongous wrote: »

I've never heard it used by americans in a mocking way

I have.

Comedian David Cross uses it quite a bit for example as a shortcut to describe a redneck inbred moron.


Might I hazard a guess and say you've never lived in the States?

Karl Stein

Sound of Silence wrote: »

Because people too often confuse cynicism with enlightenment.

There's also the pseudo-enlightened anti-all-things Republican/Nationalist crowd.

Highflyer13

Montroseee wrote: »

Why do so many people in Ireland love to complain about and put down the country? The amount of people I've heard say things like they hate this kip, can't wait to leave etc. is just crazy. All things considered, it's really not a bad little country to live in.

Not so much self loathing but I am very annoyed at how our country is run. We have a gem of a country here but it could be so much better.

I never put this country down, I love it with all my heart however its being torn apart by the greedy. Because of that I will be emigrating in 2016 which saddens me. It wont be a place I will bring up my family.

Links234

****ing hell, pointing out a problem with the country is not "self loathing" at all.

Venus In Furs

Links234 wrote: »

****ing hell, pointing out a problem with the country is not "self loathing" at all.

It's not the pointing out a problem at all, it's the way it's done - sneering at an entire society yet feeling "above" them all when actually also part of that society.

Karl Stein

Links234 wrote: »

****ing hell, pointing out a problem with the country is not "self loathing" at all.

No but constantly moaning about it or wishing that we weren't an independent country at all kinda is.

Summer wind

Twoud be a lovely little country if we could only roof it.

catallus

I like this country and I think it is a happy place to be.

AnonoBoy

Summer wind wrote: »

Twoud be a lovely little country if we could only roof it.

This thread is no place for Bill Cosby jokes. :mad:

Summer wind

AnonoBoy wrote: »

This thread is no place for Bill Cosby jokes. :mad:

What do u mean?

SockJudgement

davidfitz22 wrote: »

It's made worse by people who emigrated constantly posting "living the life" with a pictore of them on an australian beach.

I know the type...think they have all gone on to bigger and better things and feeling sorry for all the poor divil's in Ireland! When in reality living abroad is an experience but its definitely not something to look down on Ireland about. I live in Toronto and often miss home, especially when I am being charged a fortune for a pint of milk/beer anything really At the end of the day everyone and everything you love is in Ireland so why hate it, hate the government but why the country!?

Pumpkinseeds

Ireland is a damp, drizzly and dreary island in the Atlantic. I could say a lot more, although the fact that it's a damp, drizzly and dreary island in the Atlantic should be more than enough reason to want to leave.

SockJudgement

davidfitz22 wrote: »

It's made worse by people who emigrated constantly posting "living the life" with a pictore of them on an australian beach.

I know the type...think they have all gone on to bigger and better things and feeling sorry for all the poor divil's in Ireland! When in reality living abroad is an experience but its definitely not something to look down on Ireland about. I live in NZ and often miss home, especially when I am being charged a fortune for a pint of milk/beer anything really At the end of the day everyone and everything you love is in Ireland so why hate it, hate the government but why the country!?

Bassfish

I love a self deprecating moan as much as the next paddy but the one that really annoys me is when people say Ireland is a third world country. Have a stroll around the open sewers that are most large cities in India or have a look at the poverty in Uganda and then come back here and you'll soon realise you live in the top 10% of the world in terms of quality of life.

Venus In Furs

Bassfish wrote: »

I love a self deprecating moan as much as the next paddy but the one that really annoys me is when people say Ireland is a third world country. Have a stroll around the open sewers that are most large cities in India or have a look at the poverty in Uganda and then come back here and you'll soon realise you live in the top 10% of the world in terms of quality of life.

Or people who say Ireland is becoming a dictatorship - or even simply is a dictatorship. Such idiocy.

Pretending the guards are like the secret police too - that does not mean I think the guards are perfect but I can't stand lack of perspective.

Karl Stein

Summer wind wrote: »

What do u mean?

How dare you :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOdHWYLG-Iw

AnonoBoy

Summer wind wrote: »

What do u mean?

Don't act the innocent with me Mr. Roofie Jokes.

sashafierce

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Summer wind

Karl Stein wrote: »

How dare you :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOdHWYLG-Iw

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Don't act the innocent with me Mr. Roofie Jokes.

Ah lads that's mental:eek:

kingchess

SockJudgement wrote: »

I know the type...think they have all gone on to bigger and better things and feeling sorry for all the poor divil's in Ireland! When in reality living abroad is an experience but its definitely not something to look down on Ireland about. I live in Toronto and often miss home, especially when I am being charged a fortune for a pint of milk/beer anything really At the end of the day everyone and everything you love is in Ireland so why hate it, hate the government but why the country!?

SockJudgement wrote: »

I know the type...think they have all gone on to bigger and better things and feeling sorry for all the poor divil's in Ireland! When in reality living abroad is an experience but its definitely not something to look down on Ireland about. I live in NZ and often miss home, especially when I am being charged a fortune for a pint of milk/beer anything really At the end of the day everyone and everything you love is in Ireland so why hate it, hate the government but why the country!?

You live in Toronto and New Zealand and pay large amounts of money for milk/beer?? Is Toronto not in Canada?/

catallus

It is possible he's multi-lingual.

kupus

Bassfish wrote: »

I love a self deprecating moan as much as the next paddy but the one that really annoys me is when people say Ireland is a third world country. Have a stroll around the open sewers that are most large cities in India or have a look at the poverty in Uganda and then come back here and you'll soon realise you live in the top 10% of the world in terms of quality of life.

Of course thats all relative, Walk around any first world country and see trains and buses that shock horror run on time, a health service thats run for patient interests and not civil service interests.
A justice system that can actually work on crime and punishment that doesnt involve repeat offenders making money for the justice hangers on. A banking industry that can be regulated efficiently. A construction industry that dosent kill off all the small self builders, just so the big fish can get all those self builders to work for them cheaper. an agri business that is not a monopoly from field to plate, regulating farmers to just become workers on an automated line.

Does this utopia exist, no. BUt parts of it do in a lot of western countries, and they work very efficient,
whats so hard to take the examples that do work and implement them in Ireland.
Why do we have to make a f88k of Irish water, why do we have to make a bolll0cks of the post code system.
Why do we have to make the most simplest of things and apply them in an Irish way just so some people can make a packet because they have friends inthe right places.

Karl Stein

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Ireland is a damp, drizzly and dreary island in the Atlantic.

Ireland can be damp and drizzly but Ireland is far from dreary. We're a fairly vibrant country with a relatively rich cultural heritage.

Our coastline is spectacular.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AhXOcM8Liw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNRO2u3_R8M

newmug

Electric Sheep wrote: »

Ireland is not anybody's self. Complaining about Ireland has nothing to do with self loathing, it is making a realistic assessment of the country.

Wrong, wrong, WRONG! A nation is its PEOPLE. Its not its geographical location, its not the sum of its economy, its not what side of the road you drive on, its its PEOPLE!


So, when you have a problem with taxes for example, you shouldn't proclaim "Ireland is a sh1thole. They're taxing us more than ever now, I hate Ireland, fcuk Ireland". Seeing as you actually are Ireland, that is the definition of self loathing.




You should be thinking more along the lines of;


"I am a perishable, mortal human, with a finite and very precious life. But more important than that, I am an Irishman. I am disgusted at how a minority of my fellow Irishmen are abusing my trust in them as stewards of my country for their own ends. Their treachery of the responsibility I handed them is such, that I have made up my mind to do something about it. I shouldn't have to, but I must. It is my duty, as a not to do so would make me as guilty as them."


Now, go and chart your course, Irishman.

fly_agaric

SockJudgement wrote: »

At the end of the day everyone and everything you love is in Ireland so why hate it, hate the government but why the country!?

Unfortunately the government (and misgovernment) we are subjected to is a direct reflection of the Irish people and their wishes (although everyone seems to deny this!). That's what can get you down living here sometimes, and people do go over board and lose perspective [the garda are like the Stasi or Ireland has "3rd world" public services].
The place and its people definitely have a lot of positives but it could be much better; I think we really could be up there with the best if we could improve in a few key respects but vast majority like things the way they are really unless some of our "shortcomings" (with respect to the wealthy countries we usually like to compare ourselves to) burn them personally. edit: These wealthy countries we compare ourselves to are of course where our emigrants go - not too many of them go to the real 3rd world!

ireland.man

We're not comparable to the poorest aspects of India or other developing countries but we are far behind where we should be with the wealth we've had/ have on this island. Plus, we've a very obsequious population willing to attack each other rather than challenge orthodoxy, and it's always been that way.

As the great man said, Ireland is best enjoyed from at least 500 miles away.

catallus

newmug wrote: »

Now, go and chart your course, Irishman.

OH CAPTAIN, My CAPTAIN!!!!!