Real Madrid - 20 straight wins, Ancelotti the greatest manager of the modern era?

tastyt

Anybody who thinks this is a good appointment for Madrid is either a Liverpool fan or is living in the past . Yes he did a decent job with Liverpool in Europe but had a bucket load of luck when they won the final.

He won a league with Valencia 12 years ago and hasn't won one since. He has taken napoli from 2nd to 5th in two years despite spending nearly 100 million. This is the guy who also thought it was a good idea to drop John Terry when at Chelsea.

Disaster written all over this

eagle eye

tastyt wrote: »

Anybody who thinks this is a good appointment for Madrid is either a Liverpool fan or is living in the past . Yes he did a decent job with Liverpool in Europe but had a bucket load of luck when they won the final.

He won a league with Valencia 12 years ago and hasn't won one since. He has taken napoli from 2nd to 5th in two years despite spending over 100 million. This is the guy who also thought it was a good idea to drop John Terry when at Chelsea.

Disaster written all over this

I'm not a Liverpool fan and I'm not living in the past either.

Firstly at Liverpool he was buying and selling to try and get players that would stick, in other words he didn't have the money to go out and buy the talent he needed to be more competitive. I think he did very well at Liverpool considering how much less money he had in comparison to the bigger clubs.

You say he has spent €100 million at Napoli? Can you break that down for us? I don't think he spent much more than the money they got for Cavani. Anyways it's very difficult to go and replace a player like Cavani. He did very well in 13/14 to attain the same points total as the year before. It's not like they suddenly went to pieces with his arrival. Going for the Europa league might have a lot to do with their drop off in Serie A this past season. He has the first and third best points total in the last five years for Napoli and he didn't have Cavani, or Lavezzi either.

As far as Madrid goes, it will be the first time he will be at a club where money is not an issue. He has all the attacking talent he needs there and just has to sort out the midfield.

keeponhurling

tastyt wrote: »

Anybody who thinks this is a good appointment for Madrid is either a Liverpool fan and/or is living in the past . Yes he did a decent job with Liverpool in Europe but had a bucket load of luck when they won the final.

Fixed that, they're not mutually exclusive.

Anyways, we know that Benitez will be fired in either 1 or 2 years' time.
He may win a trohpy or two while there.

niallo27

tastyt wrote: »

Anybody who thinks this is a good appointment for Madrid is either a Liverpool fan or is living in the past . Yes he did a decent job with Liverpool in Europe but had a bucket load of luck when they won the final.

He won a league with Valencia 12 years ago and hasn't won one since. He has taken napoli from 2nd to 5th in two years despite spending nearly 100 million. This is the guy who also thought it was a good idea to drop John Terry when at Chelsea.

Disaster written all over this

Your right beating the Italian campions from the year before, the German champions, the English champions over two legs and then beating that years Italian champions in the final was pure luck. He also got to a final two years later. Was that lucky too. He did drop John terry but he also brought them from 6th or 7th to third and won them a UEFA cup. Why is it so hard for people to give the man some credit.

LuckyLloyd

niallo27 wrote: »

Why is it so hard for people to give the man some credit.

Benitez has always garnered an usual amount of hate.

Bottom line is that his last three seasons have been:

3rd, Europa League
3rd, Coppa Italia
5th

Whether Real should have sacked Ancelotti for him is obviously a different question as to how good a manager Benitez is. Ancelotti is clearly superior, but with him gone Benitez is a reasonable appointment.

He might win the CL next year with that squad, it isn't out of the realms of possibility anyway considering his track record in European competition.

GavRedKing

niallo27 wrote: »

Your right beating the Italian campions from the year before, the German champions, the English champions over two legs and then beating that years Italian champions in the final was pure luck. He also got to a final two years later. Was that lucky too. He did drop John terry but he also brought them from 6th or 7th to third and won them a UEFA cup. Why is it so hard for people to give the man some credit.

Rafa took us over when we were 3rd. Lost a league cup semi final to swansea, lost out in the fa cup to city, lost out in the fifa world club cuo and managed to make us worse over the campaign in the league. The europa was his saving grace to an ok season for us, on the whole he was a disappointment.

He took us over not far off the top and we only secured 3rd in the 2nd last game of the season.

Happy he won us a trophy but was never great IMO.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

Rafa took us over when we were 3rd. Lost a league cup semi final to swansea, lost out in the fa cup to city, lost out in the fifa world club cuo and managed to make us worse over the campaign in the league. The europa was his saving grace to an ok season for us, on the whole he was a disappointment.

He took us over not far off the top and we only secured 3rd in the 2nd last game of the season.

Happy he won us a trophy but was never great IMO.

Not bad when you consider the top class support he had from Chelsea fans

JohnDaniels

GavRedKing wrote: »

Rafa took us over when we were 3rd. Lost a league cup semi final to swansea, lost out in the fa cup to city, lost out in the fifa world club cuo and managed to make us worse over the campaign in the league. The europa was his saving grace to an ok season for us, on the whole he was a disappointment.

He took us over not far off the top and we only secured 3rd in the 2nd last game of the season.

Happy he won us a trophy but was never great IMO.

Little bit of context. The working conditions for any manager were impossible. To do what he did when your own fans were firing tirades of abuse at him in front of the players was quite an achievement.

niallo27

GavRedKing wrote: »

Rafa took us over when we were 3rd. Lost a league cup semi final to swansea, lost out in the fa cup to city, lost out in the fifa world club cuo and managed to make us worse over the campaign in the league. The europa was his saving grace to an ok season for us, on the whole he was a disappointment.

He took us over not far off the top and we only secured 3rd in the 2nd last game of the season.

Happy he won us a trophy but was never great IMO.

Your right he should have won the quadruple. Chelsea had finished 6th the season before. Without him Chelsea would not have gotten CL football.

GavRedKing

niallo27 wrote: »

Your right he should have won the quadruple. Chelsea had finished 6th the season before. Without him Chelsea would not have gotten CL football.

That was the bare minimum he should have done. The alfact he got us 3rd and failed in the league, by and large and managed a europa league was ok in the end. He should have won at least 1 more trophy and a better league canpaign.

As for the fans, he was replacing a huge fan favourite, he knew what to expect when he took over, the 90k a week and chance to further his career after Chelsea were big incentives too. He was basically keeping the seat warm for a superior option in June.

I didnt wish him any ill will during his time but the football and results werent great IMO and Id have expected RDM to get us at least 4th that year, he would have been sacked too had that happened.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out for him at Real though.

PhlegmyMoses

Getting rid of Ancelotti for Benitez is like getting rid of Jessica Alba for Holly Willoughby. Holly's daycent but Jessica's in a different league.

niallo27

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Getting rid of Ancelotti for Benitez is like getting rid of Jessica Alba for Holly Willoughby. Holly's daycent but Jessica's in a different league.

Depends if you like huge tits or not. I do like Holly though.

niallo27

GavRedKing wrote: »

That was the bare minimum he should have done. The alfact he got us 3rd and failed in the league, by and large and managed a europa league was ok in the end. He should have won at least 1 more trophy and a better league canpaign.

As for the fans, he was replacing a huge fan favourite, he knew what to expect when he took over, the 90k a week and chance to further his career after Chelsea were big incentives too. He was basically keeping the seat warm for a superior option in June.

I didnt wish him any ill will during his time but the football and results werent great IMO and Id have expected RDM to get us at least 4th that year, he would have been sacked too had that happened.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out for him at Real though.

He won Chelsea only their 2nd European trophy ever if you don't count the mikey mouse cup winners cup in his first season. Jose finished third as well and won nothing in his first season. Surely the bare minimum is should have won is two trophies as well.

Shanotheslayer

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Getting rid of Ancelotti for Benitez is like getting rid of Jessica Alba for Holly Willoughby. Holly's daycent but Jessica's in a different league.

Post of the decade

Corholio

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Post of the decade

There's been at least 10 of those '....is like getting rid of......for......' the past week. Something must be catching.

glued

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Getting rid of Ancelotti for Benitez is like getting rid of Jessica Alba for Holly Willoughby. Holly's daycent but Jessica's in a different league.

Holly is a lot better than daycent

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

Rafa took us over when we were 3rd. Lost a league cup semi final to swansea, lost out in the fa cup to city, lost out in the fifa world club cuo and managed to make us worse over the campaign in the league. The europa was his saving grace to an ok season for us, on the whole he was a disappointment.

He took us over not far off the top and we only secured 3rd in the 2nd last game of the season.

Happy he won us a trophy but was never great IMO.

Yeah, don't get the attempts to rewrite Rafas time at Chelsea as a success. He kinda did the bare minimum. It wasn't a disaster, but nothing to crow about.

bucketybuck

GavRedKing wrote: »

Rafa took us over when we were 3rd. Lost a league cup semi final to swansea, lost out in the fa cup to city, lost out in the fifa world club cuo and managed to make us worse over the campaign in the league. The europa was his saving grace to an ok season for us, on the whole he was a disappointment.

He took us over not far off the top and we only secured 3rd in the 2nd last game of the season.

Happy he won us a trophy but was never great IMO.

Imagine what he could have done if he had received any backing whatsoever.

Maybe thats why Madrid want him, he has experience of getting booed by what were supposed to be his own fans.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

Imagine what he could have done if he had received any backing whatsoever.

Maybe thats why Madrid want him, he has experience of getting booed by what were supposed to be his own fans.

Don't think he would have done too much more. If he purposely did poorly because fans naturally reacted to his previous criticism of that club, it says less about his ability.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't think he would have done too much more. If he purposely did poorly because fans naturally reacted to his previous criticism of that club, it says less about his ability.

What?

Ulysses Gaze

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Getting rid of Ancelotti for Benitez is like getting rid of Jessica Alba for Holly Willoughby. Holly's daycent but Jessica's in a different league.

And just like Ancelotti, Alba is overrated.....

MagicMarker

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Getting rid of Ancelotti for Benitez is like getting rid of Jessica Alba for Holly Willoughby. Holly's daycent but Jessica's in a different league.

Holly > Alba

Turtwig

I didn't think Rafa would produce such controversy.

CSF

MagicMarker wrote: »

Holly > Alba

I'm with this but was afraid to post incase nobody agreed and people looked at me like I was a freak

PhlegmyMoses

MagicMarker wrote: »

Holly > Alba

I'm pretty sure that this makes you a Liverpool fan.

klose

Sure enrique was trash at roma and it looks like he'll complete a treble in his first year at barca, every chance rafa could rack up a couple of trophies there. Will he last long? No. Are real mad to bin ancelotti for him, yeah but its not like madrid will fall asunder while he is there which is the vibe im getting off some of the posts here.

It will be interesting to see how they line up, dont think we will see the 4 defenders and 6 attackers line up anymore from them...

MisterAnarchy

CSF wrote: »

I'm with this but was afraid to post incase nobody agreed and people looked at me like I was a freak

One thing about Holly is that she is always covered in clown paint .
She looks so much better without it
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/26/holly-willoughby-without-make-up_n_3994414.html

CSF

MisterAnarchy wrote: »

One thing about Holly is that she is always covered in clown paint .
She looks so much better without it
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/26/holly-willoughby-without-make-up_n_3994414.html

Each to their own and all that.

Billy86

niallo27 wrote: »

He won Chelsea only their 2nd European trophy ever if you don't count the mikey mouse cup winners cup in his first season. Jose finished third as well and won nothing in his first season. Surely the bare minimum is should have won is two trophies as well.

It's a bit odd to call the CWC "micky mouse" and then try to pass winning the EL on Chelsea's budget as a big achievement though, to be fair.

Billy86

rob316 wrote: »

The season he finished 2nd with Liverpool he messed up with all the draws against lower table opposition. With a spine of reina, carragher, Alonso, mascherano, Gerrard and Torres we should have won that league.

They also had the good fortune to have no players sent off in the league all season, while TEN opposition players were sent off again them - including against every other team to finish top 6.

Of course this is Liverpool we're talking about, so strangely) not so strange that it never really gained much of any mention in newspapers or on Sky, BBC and the likes.

CSF

Billy86 wrote: »

They also had the good fortune to have no players sent off in the league all season, while TEN opposition players were sent off again them - including against every other team to finish top 6.

Of course this is Liverpool we're talking about, so strangely) not so strange that it never really gained much of any mention in newspapers or on Sky, BBC and the likes.

I don't know if I'd be so quick to call that good fortune.

I'm not a big fan of Benitez btw.

Shanotheslayer

CSF wrote: »

I don't know if I'd be so quick to call that good fortune.

I'm not a big fan of Benitez btw.

No doubt if you looked through all the footage etc I'm sure there was stuff worthy of reds. Good fortune yes. But refs forever make mistake. Not sure what the posters point is tho.

Iused2likebusts

Billy86 wrote: »

They also had the good fortune to have no players sent off in the league all season, while TEN opposition players were sent off again them - including against every other team to finish top 6.

Of course this is Liverpool we're talking about, so strangely) not so strange that it never really gained much of any mention in newspapers or on Sky, BBC and the likes.

Worst post of the decade.

rob316

Billy86 wrote: »

They also had the good fortune to have no players sent off in the league all season, while TEN opposition players were sent off again them - including against every other team to finish top 6.

Of course this is Liverpool we're talking about, so strangely) not so strange that it never really gained much of any mention in newspapers or on Sky, BBC and the likes.

What a desperate post.

They were sent off for good reason, off the top of my head Zabeleta, Vidic, Barton, Cahill all deserved to walk. Alonso was hacked at and defenders couldn't deal with the pace of Torres and gerrard.

Much like Liverpool got a huge amount of penalties last season it was warranted because of excellent attacking play.

bucketybuck

rob316 wrote: »

Much like Liverpool got a huge amount of penalties last season it was warranted because of excellent attacking play.

Its funny, when we got penalties it was because we were dirty cheats and the referees were in our pockets. Never seemed to matter that United spent most of the game attacking, but que sera.

niallo27

bucketybuck wrote: »

Its funny, when we got penalties it was because we were dirty cheats and the referees were in our pockets. Never seemed to matter that United spent most of the game attacking, but que sera.

Two words Ashley Young.

DVDM93

niallo27 wrote: »

Two words Ashley Young.

and his apprentice, Adnan Januzaj. He has more yellow cards for diving than goals scored iirc.

Young was a bad influence, fair play to him for having a good season this year though, hopefully the diving will stop with his game along with the good performances. Best of luck to him.

bucketybuck

niallo27 wrote: »

Two words Ashley Young.

You do realise you have just completely proven my point? Don't you?

Quazzie

I'd love to know how a thread about Real Madrid and Ancelotti has ended up being a Pool-United dick swinging competition.
Will yis all fck back under ye're rocks.

If Real appoint Benitez as manager they can't be viewing it as an upgrade to Ancelotti, and more as a way of showing how they demand success.

niallo27

bucketybuck wrote: »

You do realise you have just completely proven my point? Don't you?

I thought your were being sarcastic when you said utd were dirty cheats.

niallo27

Quazzie wrote: »

I'd love to know how a thread about Real Madrid and Ancelotti has ended up being a Pool-United dick swinging competition.
Will yis all fck back under ye're rocks.

If Real appoint Benitez as manager they can't be viewing it as an upgrade to Ancelotti, and more as a way of showing how they demand success.

Well it's about Rafa and his liverpool team. Of course people are going to mention his past with Liverpool and Chelsea.

LuckyLloyd

Quazzie wrote: »

If Real appoint Benitez as manager they can't be viewing it as an upgrade to Ancelotti, and more as a way of showing how they demand success.

No - one in this thread has argued that he represents an upgrade over Ancelotti. And I agree with your assessment there of why they have made this change, rightly or wrongly.

I think the point of debate is between the 'Benitez is a poor manager who is sure to crash and burn at Real' group and the 'Benitez actually has a very solid managerial record and might just win a trophy or two with that squad' group. Fun times either way.

LuckyLloyd

Anyway, confirmed with a three year contract.

Quazzie

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

No - one in this thread has argued that he represents an upgrade over Ancelotti. And I agree with your assessment there of why they have made this change, rightly or wrongly.

I think the point of debate is between the 'Benitez is a poor manager who is sure to crash and burn at Real' group and the 'Benitez actually has a very solid managerial record and might just win a trophy or two with that squad' group. Fun times either way.

I don't think he'll crash and burn, simply because his style of football won't allow it, but he certainly won't keep the fans happy for too long. They'll be whistling come Easter I predict.

Quazzie

Quazzie wrote: »

I don't think he'll crash and burn, simply because his style of football won't allow it, but he certainly won't keep the fans happy for too long. They'll be whistling come Easter I predict.

Ironic...cos whistling is usually the action associated with happiness.

It's a funny old game. I just made that up but it seems like a good line...

BMMachine

PLEASE let Real Madrid and Man Utd be in the same CL group

GavRedKing

BMMachine wrote: »

PLEASE let Real Madrid and Man Utd be in the same CL group

Theyre probably both in pot 2 so it wont happen. Although im not sure where iefa rank teams who have to get in via a qualifier.

BMMachine

GavRedKing wrote: »

Theyre probably both in pot 2 so it wont happen. Although im not sure where iefa rank teams who have to get in via a qualifier.

thats what Im thinking. would be a hell of a match too

Quazzie

BMMachine wrote: »

thats what Im thinking. would be a hell of a match too

You think LvG vs Benitez would make a good match??

It's be a terrible match for the neutrals.

niallo27

Quazzie wrote: »

You think LvG vs Benitez would make a good match??

It's be a terrible match for the neutrals.

When Rafa got the team he wanted the football was good. He was more defensive to cover for limited players. You not remember the 4-2 and 4-4 arsenal games, 4-0 against Madrid. 4-1 at old Trafford. It was great football.