Denis O'Brien Irelands Sinister Fringe.

Streetwalker

Pocoyo wrote: »

A bilionaire known as 'Uncle Denis' to Enda Kenny and Fine Gael. He doesnt even pay tax in ireland hes a tax exile hiding his money money in malta.

Awarded over priced contracts by the government at the tax payer expense even though cheaper contracts were available. (O'Briens GMC SIERRA won meter contract even though siemens were 50 Million euro cheaper)

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/siemens-cheaper-water-meter-offer-snubbed-by-minister-hogan-26845507.html

Proven bribery of FG TD to win mobile phone contract (Moriarty Tribunal)

''In 1995, Denis O'Brien was head of one of six corporations looking for the lucrative second Irish mobile phone operator's licence. When he was chosen to receive the license, there was major controversy as he was suspected of bribing Fine Gael government TD and Minister for Communications Michael Lowry. The license procurement, which ultimately made O'Brien one of the richest men in Ireland, was proven to be corrupt in an investigation by the Moriarty Tribunal, where it was proven that;[32]

O'Brien gave substantial sums of money to Fine Gael in order to make friends with people in the party.
Denis O’Brien, or persons close to him, subsequently sought to give large amounts of money to Michael Lowry.
Michael Lowry, in return, sought to be involved to a greater degree in the licensing process, seeking information about it on a number of occasions and influencing the decision and selection process in Esat's favour.''

Received 300m euro debt write off by the state after bank crash.

http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=18825

Owns over 40 Irish news papers including many radio stations.

Independent,Herald,Sunday world,Newstalk106,98fm the list goes on.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thejournal.ie%2Firish-media-ownership-public-interest-denis-o-brien-1821594-Dec2014%2F&ei=OyCMVM2TIcyf7gaF6YCwDg&usg=AFQjCNFSiV5zVL-nYO2OVnT_0bbckHAEJg&sig2=3Nc0Wd1ayb-wBrDtsRraYg&bvm=bv.81828268,d.ZGU

The government and journalist groups have found that this man has too much media power and is using it to forward his corrupt ambitions.

This man has been a parasite sucking the blood out of this country while using his media outlets to attack the public of late,Grannies,kids and working people have been called dissidents and sinister by this power crazed man,Its time to boycott his businesses until he goes away. Dont forget Topaz.

Newstalk in particular has been an utter scandal this week. Shane Coleman was utterly distraught the protests went off 100% peacefully he was nearly in tears Thursday over it.

batnolan

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So whats your answer? Force people to keep their businesses (the newspapers) running and not sell them off for profit? State run newspapers?

That's completely illogical. If you follow your own logic through then there would be monopolies and oligarchy's galore. Do you think Ryanair should be allowed to purchase Aer Lingus?

Joshua J

The poor unfortunates on the dole get lambasted on Boards for being a drain on the tax payer yet a tax exile who has a history of involvement in corruption and bribery is held in the highest of esteem and defended to the max.

Of course when you realise that it's not DOB they're defending but the status quo you begin to understand where their thinking is based and why they defend the government etc even to their own detriment.

Kermit.de.frog

I don't begrudge him his wealth. He is only mentioned by the left and protesters because he is one of the only wealthy Irish people left and they don't like people with money no matter who they are.

hynesie08

Streetwalker wrote: »

Newstalk in particular has been an utter scandal this week. Shane Coleman was utterly distraught the protests went off 100% peacefully he was nearly in tears Thursday over it.

Except for the arrests, and the whole blocking o'connell bridge thing.

What colour is the sky in your world?

Jawgap

If people have such strong objections to D O'B then......

.......don't buy from his petrol stations

.......don't buy or read anything produced by his media organisations

......don't listen to his radio stations

And if you have really strong objections well arrange a boycott of anyone who advertises with or on his media.........if enough of your fellow citizens agree with you he'll get a bloody nose and be forced to sell up.

As for his government contracts, he's obviously putting in the lowest tenders so people just need to find some way to undercut him.

20Cent

Jawgap wrote: »

As for his government contracts, he's obviously putting in the lowest tenders so people just need to find some way to undercut him.

Really?
Post up the tenders then.
Sieman's offered to install meters for free.
Sierra got the contract after the closing date and before Sierra was even incorporated! Explain that one!

Jawgap

20Cent wrote: »

Really?
Post up the tenders then.
Sieman's offered to install meters for free.
Sierra got the contract after the closing date and before Sierra was even incorporated! Explain that one!

Send in an FoI request

20Cent

Jawgap wrote: »

Send in an FoI request

You're the one saying he made the lowest bids. Clearly not true.
Shouldn't need an FOI the tenders process should be open and transparent.

gk5000

D'OB can buy most things he wishes except honesty, integrity and his good name; no matter how much he spends on media, its whore's, Sarah Carey et. al.

Kermit.de.frog

So much anger just because someone has money. No wonder the brightest leave Ireland.

Fukuyama

20Cent wrote: »

Really?
Post up the tenders then.
Sieman's offered to install meters for free.
Sierra got the contract after the closing date and before Sierra was even incorporated! Explain that one!

Jesus H Christ....

Yeah. Siemens were totally interested in doing Ireland a solid. Their shareholders really wanted to just install hundreds of thousands of water meters for the craic. In fact, Siemens just makes hundreds of millions in profit each year by giving away freebies.

For someone who loves to uncover facts and dig up the great secrets hidden from the Irish people, it's pretty clear you lack critical thinking skills. Thank god you weren't on the committee tendering the contracts.

tayto lover

Laugh all you like lads BUT O'Brien is just too cozy with FG.

Jawgap

20Cent wrote: »

You're the one saying he made the lowest bids. Clearly not true.
Shouldn't need an FOI the tenders process should be open and transparent.

Well, having worked in the PS for quite a number of years I've never seen anyone except the lowest bidder get the gig (and generally do a poor job of it).

It amazes me that people will happily come on d'interwebs to complain about stuff like this rather than bang in an FoI request - it takes about as long to frame one as it does to put up a couple of posts here.

And as for me putting up the tenders - even if I could access them I doubt the pitchfork wielding mob would accept them if they contradicted their narrative about the guy.

Venus In Furs

Jawgap wrote: »

Well, having worked in the PS for quite a number of years

That's it. You're done for. :pac:

Jawgap

Dean0088 wrote: »

Jesus H Christ....

Yeah. Siemens were totally interested in doing Ireland a solid. Their shareholders really wanted to just install hundreds of thousands of water meters for the craic. In fact, Siemens just makes hundreds of millions in profit each year by giving away freebies.

For someone who loves to uncover facts and dig up the great secrets hidden from the Irish people, it's pretty clear you lack critical thinking skills. Thank god you weren't on the committee tendering the contracts.

Actually I heard Siemens were going to fabricate the water meters from the e-voting machines

Also are people really saying that there'd be no water protests if Siemens put the meters in?

If anything the more IW are charged for the meters the better, because it undermines their business model and increases the possibility of the company folding.

Jawgap

Venus In Furs wrote: »

That's it. You're done for. :pac:

It's alright I baled in September for a higher salary in the private sector - I'm back to being a paid up member of society

20Cent

Dean0088 wrote: »

Jesus H Christ....

Yeah. Siemens were totally interested in doing Ireland a solid. Their shareholders really wanted to just install hundreds of thousands of water meters for the craic. In fact, Siemens just makes hundreds of millions in profit each year by giving away freebies.

For someone who loves to uncover facts and dig up the great secrets hidden from the Irish people, it's pretty clear you lack critical thinking skills. Thank god you weren't on the committee tendering the contracts.

Thought it was common knowledge that this happened.

Siemens cheaper water meter offer snubbed by Minister Hogan
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/siemens-cheaper-water-meter-offer-snubbed-by-minister-hogan-26845507.html

Beaner1

tayto lover wrote: »

Laugh all you like lads BUT O'Brien is just too cozy with FG.

What do you know about their relationship? Nothing.

I've never seen so many contact experts that are intimately aware of every Irish business deal.

Wurly

A well made point from a contact on Facebook:

"While the protesters were standing outside the Dail on the 10th, the bould Denis was profiteering from it and the majority of people didn't even know it. Every barrier that was erected around the street made Denis's an absolute fortune. Denis bought the barriers for little or nothing through his offshore tax haven company (Millington), based in the Isle of Man, using some of the savings that he made by buying Siteserv (the company that supplied said barriers) at a massive discount of €105 million of taxpayers money, from his pals in (Alan Dukes & Co) in Anglo Irish/IBRC.

*I am aware that lots of people will know that Siteserv supplied the barriers but this information is for those people "who didn't know" and there are millions of them, so spread the news...

CORRUPT OR CORRUPT IS THE QUESTION?

No wonder Enda and Kelly were laughing their heads off and telling the protesters that they don't care because they are sticking with the bondholders plan to install meters, no matter how much we protest. But I wonder if there is another reason that they are laughing their heads off for? Unless you were a total narcissist, unhinged or just plain old corrupt then you wouldn't even consider selling out your people to the corporate and banking sector...So which one are they? Personally, I would say that they like a bit of corporate corruption in the form of big brown envelopes!

This also leads me to how much more Denis is profiting off of the ordinary people... Every water meter that is installed makes Denis, a clear profit of about €300 give or take a few euro, therefore if you work that out by the number of households that are "going to receive a meter" is in the region of 2,004,000 according to the CSO. Bearing in mind a huge number of these are un-meterable apartments and rural homes that have their own water supply through water schemes and wells, so we'll take say 500,000 units out of that equation but that still leaves circa 1.5 million homes that are to be metered. I know some have already but that isn't the point of the exercise right now...

I only want to do the maths to show how much profit Denis is going to make out of the metering contract if he gets away with it... Ready?

€450 MILLION EURO IN CLEAR PROFIT, AS DENIS PAYS ABSOLUTELY NO TAXES ON PROFITS IN IRELAND!!

HOGAN DIDN'T LOSE OUT EITHER!
How much of this reached Phil Hogan's pockets in advance of Denis "being awarded the water metering contract? As has been proven, Denis has a propensity to bribe Fine Gael Ministers... He did it once and no doubt he did it again!

I don't think I can add anymore to this as it speaks for itself..."

Beaner1

Your "contact" just outrageously libelled Phil Hogan and Denis O'Brien.

tayto lover

Beaner1 wrote: »

What do you know about their relationship? Nothing.

I've never seen so many contact experts that are intimately aware of every Irish business deal.

We all know what the Tribunal said but continue to ignore it :rolleyes:

Wurly

Beaner1 wrote: »

Your "contact" just outrageously libelled Phil Hogan and Denis O'Brien.

Why? For speaking the truth?

What part of the story is untrue?

Jawgap

^^^^^^^^charging for water was the bondholders' idea?????

Beaner1

Wurly wrote: »

Why? For speaking the truth?

What part of the story is untrue?

You said Phil Hogan recieved personal bribes for a tender award.

Wurly

Jawgap wrote: »

^^^^^^^^charging for water was the bondholders' idea?????

Let me ask you a genuine question. Who do you think runs the world?

If we are the lowest as ordinary citizens, then who is the highest ranked? And what does the ranking system look like? I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.

Jawgap

Wurly wrote: »

Let me ask you a genuine question. Who do you think runs the world?

If we are the lowest as ordinary citizens, then who is the highest ranked? And what does the ranking system look like? I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.

Oh, I so want to say 'the Illuminati' (O'Brien is one, isn't he?) but I really know it's a combination of the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission.

Really it's the Yanks, but I'll give it a hundred years before the chimes take over.

I don't think there is 'ranking' system anymore than I think there are fairies at the bottom of the garden. I think to a large degree your fate is in your own hands, but luck is a significant factor.

moxin

It's ironic that the brigade who moan about balancing the national accounts promoting water charges, spending cuts etc also support an exiled tax billionaire controlling our media and fuel stations.

lufties

Wurly wrote: »

Let me ask you a genuine question. Who do you think runs the world?

If we are the lowest as ordinary citizens, then who is the highest ranked? And what does the ranking system look like? I'm genuinely interested in your opinion.

rothschilds, rockefellas..jewish bankers and mega corporations.

Fukuyama

20Cent wrote: »

Thought it was common knowledge that this happened.

Siemens cheaper water meter offer snubbed by Minister Hogan
http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/siemens-cheaper-water-meter-offer-snubbed-by-minister-hogan-26845507.html

It was a terrible deal. As I've said before, giving Siemens maintenance of a crumbling network would have been madness. The lowballed their offer in the hopes of getting idiots to pressure the government into accepting. It didn't work.

Imagine the profit Siemens would have made over the next fifty years by keeping Ireland's failing water supply system working. Every year the maintenance bill would have been bigger and bigger, and if the government ever decided that they wanted to renegotiate the "deal", all Siemens would have to do is start turning off supplies around the country in the name of "maintenance".

Their offer was like going with a Payday lender instead of a mortgage broker.

You honestly think a huge multi-national as big as Siemens that has outlived world wars, cold wars and decades of technological change got to where it is by being a daft and handing out stupidly low prices for massive infrastructure projects?

Jawgap

moxin wrote: »

It's ironic that the brigade who moan about balancing the national accounts promoting water charges, spending cuts etc also support an exiled tax billionaire controlling our media and fuel stations.

I'm not supporting the man, I'm just against whacked-out conspiracy theories!!

And people don't have to buy from him.

Beaner1

moxin wrote: »

It's ironic that the brigade who moan about balancing the national accounts promoting water charges, spending cuts etc also support an exiled tax billionaire controlling our media and fuel stations.

I don't support him at all but I don't see him as some kind of bogeyman to blamd all of our woes on. The protestor class in Ireland are largely to blame.

tayto lover

moxin wrote: »

It's ironic that the brigade who moan about balancing the national accounts promoting water charges, spending cuts etc also support an exiled tax billionaire controlling our media and fuel stations.

And who was found to be corrupt by a Government ordered Tribunal.

Wurly

Jawgap wrote: »

Oh, I so want to say 'the Illuminati' (O'Brien is one, isn't he?) but I really know it's a combination of the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission.

If you'd have said that, i'd have agreed with you.;)

Really it's the Yanks, but I'll give it a hundred years before the chimes take over.

Why do you say it's the yanks over 'the illuminati'?
How do you mean when the chimes take over?

I don't think there is 'ranking' system anymore than I think there are fairies at the bottom of the garden. I think to a large degree your fate is in your own hands, but luck is a significant factor.

Do you believe then that luck is out of your own hands to some extent?

If our fate is in our own hands, then how come certain things are made so difficult for us? Buying a home for instance. Or holding bank gamblers accountable for their crimes. Like, why do we have to pay back their debt but they get off scot free? That would suggest that we're not in control of how the world is being run.

Fukuyama

lufties wrote: »

rothschilds, rockefellas..jewish bankers and mega corporations.

It's the Illuminati. And the lizard people. :eek:

Jawgap

tayto lover wrote: »

And who was found to be corrupt by a Government ordered Tribunal.

Well case closed then - he's definitely guilty of everything!!

tayto lover

Beaner1 wrote: »

I don't support him at all but I don't see him as some kind of bogeyman to blamd all of our woes on. The protestor class in Ireland are largely to blame.

You obviously appreciate the "help" he gives to FG :pac::pac:

20Cent

Dean0088 wrote: »

It was a terrible deal. As I've said before, giving Siemens maintenance of a crumbling network would have been madness. The lowballed their offer in the hopes of getting idiots to pressure the government into accepting. It didn't work.

Imagine the profit Siemens would have made over the next fifty years by keeping Ireland's failing water supply system working. Every year the maintenance bill would have been bigger and bigger, and if the government ever decided that they wanted to renegotiate the "deal", all Siemens would have to do is start turning off supplies around the country in the name of "maintenance".

Their offer was like going with a Payday lender instead of a mortgage broker.

You honestly think a huge multi-national as big as Siemens that has outlived world wars, cold wars and decades of technological change got to where it is by being a daft and handing out stupidly low prices for massive infrastructure projects?

Got a link to the actual offer made then?
I was replying to someone who said O'Brien made the lowest bid. Since we don't know the details of the bids one can't make that claim.

Fukuyama

moxin wrote: »

It's ironic that the brigade who moan about balancing the national accounts promoting water charges, spending cuts etc also support an exiled tax billionaire controlling our media and fuel stations.

There's no Denis O Brian fan club in this country AFAIK.

I think most people are tired of the tall tales, half truths and exaggerations that surround the mans name day in, day out. I couldn't give a fiddlers if he went bankrupt tomorrow - I just think it's laughable that he's now some boogyman scapegoat climbing a brown paper envelope mountain.

Some of the stories and accusations leveled at DOB make House of Cards seeming boring! :pac:

Beaner1

tayto lover wrote: »

You obviously appreciate the "help" he gives to FG :pac::pac:

What help?

AboutaWeekAgo

Beaner1 wrote: »

I don't support him at all but I don't see him as some kind of bogeyman to blamd all of our woes on. The protestor class in Ireland are largely to blame.

"Protestor class"

I do get a good laugh out of your posts :pac:

Curly Judge

Wurly wrote: »

A well made point from a contact on Facebook:

"While the protesters were standing outside the Dail on the 10th, the bould Denis was profiteering from it and the majority of people didn't even know it. Every barrier that was erected around the street made Denis's an absolute fortune. Denis bought the barriers for little or nothing through his offshore tax haven company (Millington), based in the Isle of Man, using some of the savings that he made by buying Siteserv (the company that supplied said barriers) at a massive discount of €105 million of taxpayers money, from his pals in (Alan Dukes & Co) in Anglo Irish/IBRC.

*I am aware that lots of people will know that Siteserv supplied the barriers but this information is for those people "who didn't know" and there are millions of them, so spread the news...

CORRUPT OR CORRUPT IS THE QUESTION?

No wonder Enda and Kelly were laughing their heads off and telling the protesters that they don't care because they are sticking with the bondholders plan to install meters, no matter how much we protest. But I wonder if there is another reason that they are laughing their heads off for? Unless you were a total narcissist, unhinged or just plain old corrupt then you wouldn't even consider selling out your people to the corporate and banking sector...So which one are they? Personally, I would say that they like a bit of corporate corruption in the form of big brown envelopes!

This also leads me to how much more Denis is profiting off of the ordinary people... Every water meter that is installed makes Denis, a clear profit of about €300 give or take a few euro, therefore if you work that out by the number of households that are "going to receive a meter" is in the region of 2,004,000 according to the CSO. Bearing in mind a huge number of these are un-meterable apartments and rural homes that have their own water supply through water schemes and wells, so we'll take say 500,000 units out of that equation but that still leaves circa 1.5 million homes that are to be metered. I know some have already but that isn't the point of the exercise right now...

I only want to do the maths to show how much profit Denis is going to make out of the metering contract if he gets away with it... Ready?

€450 MILLION EURO IN CLEAR PROFIT, AS DENIS PAYS ABSOLUTELY NO TAXES ON PROFITS IN IRELAND!!

HOGAN DIDN'T LOSE OUT EITHER!
How much of this reached Phil Hogan's pockets in advance of Denis "being awarded the water metering contract? As has been proven, Denis has a propensity to bribe Fine Gael Ministers... He did it once and no doubt he did it again!

I don't think I can add anymore to this as it speaks for itself..."

Very balanced ... for a moderator!:rolleyes:

suicide_circus

Lex Luther himself. The line between shrewd businessman and complete gangster is an exceptional thin one.

Jawgap

Wurly wrote: »

If you'd have said that, i'd have agreed with you.;)


Why do you say it's the yanks over 'the illuminati'?
How do you mean when the chimes take over?




Do you believe then that luck is out of your own hands to some extent?

If our fate is in our own hands, then how come certain things are made so difficult for us? Buying a home for instance. Or holding bank gamblers accountable for our crimes. Like, why do we have to pay back their debt but they get off scot free? That would suggest that we're not in control of how the world is being run.

Chinese - bloody autocorrect.

Luck is obviously out of your own hands, otherwise it wouldn't be luck! I do believe chance favours the prepared mind. I don't believe in Micawberism.

Yes, life is hard and it's not fair but where is it written that it's supposed to be?
And buying a home is easy.........as long as you stay within your means and borrow sensibly.

The Yanks run the show because of their position in the world's financial and technical infrastructure.

Fukuyama

20Cent wrote: »

Got a link to the actual offer made then?
I was replying to someone who said O'Brien made the lowest bid. Since we don't know the details of the bids one can't make that claim.

AFAIK it has to be a few years before bids for public contracts can be released. Not 100% sure.

What I can tell you is that corporations are out to make money and Siemens would have profited tenfold over the next half a century by milking Ireland ailing water infrastructure.

It amazes me that you can apparently see through Denis O Brian like greasy paper, but when it comes to an obvious "buy in and milk em dry" bid from Siemens, you put on the selective sight glasses!

Wurly

20Cent wrote: »

Got a link to the actual offer made then?
I was replying to someone who said O'Brien made the lowest bid. Since we don't know the details of the bids one can't make that claim.

Here's the thing though. What sort of link will you trust? One from say the Irish Independent or one from a website that tries to expose media spin?

This is a huge issue. I'm not saying it's yours btw....

But people tend to trust major news sources. Anyone who says anything counter to what is reported in the newspapers is cited as a wacky conspiracy theorist.

So let's say the news DOES tell the truth for a second... First, it would be a good idea to maybe check out who our newspapers are owned by to see if they could potentially benefit from skewing the truth. Wouldn't that be a good idea? Same goes for Ireland's TV stations.

tayto lover

Beaner1 wrote: »

What help?

Did he not attend 15 Fine Gael fundraising events?


O’Brien donations

Mr Kenny told the Dáil last night that Esat boss Denis O’Brien had made donations to 15 separate Fine Gael events between the years 1994 and 1996.

The tribunal found Mr O’Brien had made a concerted effort to elevate his profile with Fine Gael, at this time, when the party was in government.

Mr Kenny said that, in total, the Esat boss had contributed to 10 Fine Gael constituency events and five national events during the period in question.

The payments are listed in the Moriarty Report. Fourteen involved three or four-figure sums, ranging from £200 for a fundraising lunch in Westmeath, to £5,000 for a Wicklow by-election fundraising lunch.

But the 15th payment was the controversial $50,000 donation which the tribunal found Esat had made in a “clandestine fashion” to the party after winning the licence.

Beaner1

Wow 3 and 4 figure sums some twenty years ago. Amazing that he can exert such influence of loose change given two decades back.

Wurly

Jawgap wrote: »

Chinese - bloody autocorrect.

Ha, I was wondering.;)

Luck is obviously out of your own hands, otherwise it wouldn't be luck! I do believe chance favours the prepared mind. I don't believe in Micawberism.

I had to look up the meaning of Micawberism there. What a great word. I'm going to try and use it as much as I can today.

I agree that chance favours the prepared mind. What methods do you use to prepare your mind?

Yes, life is hard and it's not fair but where is it written that it's supposed to be?

Nowhere. That's the beauty of this. Well.... except for newspapers....

And buying a home is easy.........as long as you stay within your means and borrow sensibly.

I'm so glad it is for you. And for many others. It should be easy for us all. It isn't. We have become so desensitised to issues like homelessness and we treat it as an inevitability. But why should it be inevitable? I really don't think we ask ourselves enough questions about why things are the way they are. We just accept things as they are. But we never question. Why do you think this is? I find it really puzzling. Like for instance, I questioned nothing up until a few years ago. I find it strange that it never would have even occured to me to question things before now.

The Yanks run the show because of their position in the world's financial and technical infrastructure.

Do you think the yanks have more money than the Rockefellers and The Rothschilds combined?

gene_slackman

is it me or has the level of hostility towards this individual become borderline hysterical ?

the media in this country ( broadly speaking ) is very much left wing so i dont think his influence is anywhere near as profound as some appear to believe