Denis O'Brien Irelands Sinister Fringe.

Curly Judge

michael999999 wrote: »

Let's see Curly Judges proof of her allegation against Catherine Murphy!

I'm a he by the way.
And I didn't accuse Catherine Murphy of anything!

Bubbaclaus

michael999999 wrote: »

Let's see Curly Judges proof of her allegation against Catherine Murphy!

Curly Judge doesn't need proof. She just needs to say stuff in a public setting (like the Dail, for example) and allow the person being accused be trialed by the general public and be declared guilty until proven innocent.

tipptom

Curly Judge wrote: »

Why do you assume our personal thinking is different from our public position?
Perhaps yours is...mine isn't!

Because I think she might suspect there are Denis o Brien/Michael Lowry corruption supporters on here who work for them in a PR capacity or gain public positions through their support and who have a public profile because of this and as long as they are paid or gain positions on public boards they will continue with supportive public profile but that may not be what they necessarily think personally especially when the patronage runs out.

tipptom

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Curly Judge doesn't need proof. She just needs to say stuff in a public setting (like the Dail, for example) and allow the person being accused be trialed by the general public and be declared guilty until proven innocent.

Eh,Curly Judge needs to get elected to the Dail first to avail of parliamentary privilege and I don't think there is much chance of him becoming a deputy considering his stance on corrupt businessmen.
Try FF/FG though,they don't seem to have any problems with these sort of opinions.

Curly Judge

tipptom wrote: »

Because I think she might suspect there are Denis o Brien/Michael Lowry corruption supporters on here who work for them in a PR capacity or gain public positions through their support and who have a public profile because of this and as long as they are paid or gain positions on public boards they will continue with supportive public profile but that may not be what they necessarily think personally especially when the patronage runs out.

Or perhaps there are people out there who (completely convinced by their own ideas) cannot bring themselves to believe that other citizens might hold a contrary view for the most worthy of reasons and must therefore be in the pay or pocket of dark rightwing forces?

kidneyfan

Curly Judge wrote: »

Or perhaps there are people out there who (completely convinced by their own ideas) cannot bring themselves to believe that other citizens might hold a contrary view for the most worthy of reasons and must therefore be in the pay or pocket of dark rightwing forces?

Do you accept the truth of the Moriarty report?

tipptom

So it turn out Dinnys personal threating letter modus has not worked this time and his attempt to subvert our democratic parliament has failed.

Pocoyo

tipptom wrote: »

So it turn out Dinnys personal threating letter modus has not worked this time and his attempt to subvert our democratic parliament has failed.

Catherine Murphy better not get as much as a speeding ticket,A 6am raid by the gardai is now one mistake away.

She has been a credit to irish politics.

Curly Judge

kidneyfan wrote: »

Do you accept the truth of the Moriarty report?

No.

kupus

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

We've no idea what was said in the Dail.

All I know is that if:
1) my personal finances were being discussed in the Dail, and
2) there was inaccurate information being spread about me by a TD in the Dail (which is entirely possible given that we have no idea what was being said)

I would be absolutely outraged.

I know terrible isn't it
In fact why doesnt dob dissolve the dail completely and just declare himself
DOB.... Lord Protector Of Ireland.

...coz basically that is what it's amounting to.

kidneyfan

Curly Judge wrote: »

No.

Well that explains your support for O'Brien.

What do you disagree with?

Dan_Solo

Much as I'd dance a merry jig if DOB got double-tapped, the real story is who in the name of was giving him the free money? TBH I'd take the 1.5% rate myself if I could get it.
DOB is turning into a convenient scapegoat for FG/FF. Hopefully he'll rat on the lot if he takes much more abuse and isn't even getting his free money for the service to the establishment.

tipptom

kidneyfan wrote: »

Well that explains your support for O'Brien.

What do you disagree with?

Can I answer that,that money was only resting in Michael Lowrys(That well known Doncaster Rovers fan) account and was at least ran through two FG party grandees who just so happened to be good friends of DOBs father before it came to rest there so move on now nothing to see there,oooh look at the unicorn and Clare Daly,SF,Mick Wallace,Ming,Catherine Murphy etc etc.

Pocoyo

Pocoyo wrote: »

Catherine Murphy better not get as much as a speeding ticket,A 6am raid by the gardai is now one mistake away.

She has been a credit to irish politics.

Only if her claims prove correct. The naming of individuals in the Dail needs to be looked at. If TDs have proof of wrongdoing, they must remember that a person is innocent until proven guilty, same as Paul Murphy, et al.

Fuzzy Clam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Only if her claims prove correct. The naming of individuals in the Dail needs to be looked at. If TDs have proof of wrongdoing, they must remember that a person is innocent until proven guilty, same as Paul Murphy, et al.

Who did she accuse of wrong doing?

michael999999

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Who did she accuse of wrong doing?

Maryanne doesn't answer questions, just pushes out the party line!

Dan_Solo

Deleted User wrote: »

Only if her claims prove correct. The naming of individuals in the Dail needs to be looked at. If TDs have proof of wrongdoing, they must remember that a person is innocent until proven guilty, same as Paul Murphy, et al.

Didn't see too much righteous indignation on this topic when SF members were being bashed by FG over Mairia Cahill etc. in the Dail a while back...

flutered

just lurking arou nd here from time to time, why does the rich uncle put the proof on the table and say, look here are the facts, cb is lying, end of all storys and speculation

Fuzzy Clam

michael999999 wrote: »

Maryanne doesn't answer questions, just pushes out the party line!

Well, her lack of an answer speaks for itself.

tipptom

Fuzzy Clam wrote: »

Well, her lack of an answer speaks for itself.

Party central to busy searching for our leader of transparency to draft a response.

Curly Judge

michael999999 wrote: »

Maryanne doesn't answer questions, just pushes out the party line!

Catherine Murphy made accusations against IBRC's board of management which will prove to be untrue.

tipptom

Curly Judge wrote: »

Catherine Murphy made accusations against IBRC's board of management which will prove to be untrue.

All this will come out in an Independent enquiry which this government tried to suppress and told us was not necessary(wonder why?),mates rates made by DOBs friends on the IBRCs board without going through the panel,insider share dealing etc etc and whatever corruption was approved by this compromised FG government for their benefactor.
Look forward to it but as usual they will pull a fast one against the people like the last corrupt government and go to the Aras on a Sunday morning with their friends in the Sunday Independent tipped of beforehand to spin it and a stay will be put on the finding until after the election.


This is the Mugabe politics in this country damned to repeat itself cheered on by a media slur campaign against any opposition,rotten to the core.


Care to inform of your insider knowledge or is this another slur campaign starting against her?

Dan_Solo

Curly Judge wrote: »

Catherine Murphy made accusations against IBRC's board of management which will prove to be untrue.

You have access to more and better evidence than TDs do?
Impressive!

tipptom

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You have access to more and better evidence than TDs do?
Impressive!

Government spin doctors throw out slurs on honest opposition TDs on Boards and wont back it up shocker!

arayess

kupus wrote: »

I know terrible isn't it
In fact why doesnt dob dissolve the dail completely and just declare himself
DOB.... Lord Protector Of Ireland.

...coz basically that is what it's amounting to.

I'm convinced he is the bastard child of ernst blofeld

Curly Judge wrote: »

Catherine Murphy made accusations against IBRC's board of management which will prove to be untrue.

one or two details may be ..the main thrust of the skulduggery will be proven correct.
The same charges were thrown at TDs in the garda scandal cos one or two details were wrong, government cheerleaders sought to invalidate the many correct assertions also. this is the same smokescreen crap

Curly Judge

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You have access to more and better evidence than TDs do?
Impressive!

No...but I do have more brain power than she has, and my vision isn't clouded by socialist mist.

Cyrus

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Much as I'd dance a merry jig if DOB got double-tapped, the real story is who in the name of was giving him the free money? TBH I'd take the 1.5% rate myself if I could get it.
DOB is turning into a convenient scapegoat for FG/FF. Hopefully he'll rat on the lot if he takes much more abuse and isn't even getting his free money for the service to the establishment.

Any company backed by o Brien will pay similar interest rates, do people not understand this? It isn't a home improvements loan for 10k

Dan_Solo

Curly Judge wrote: »

No...but I do have more brain power than she has, and my vision isn't clouded by socialist mist.

So you know she's wrong because you think she's thick and a commie.
Well that's that settled then. Who needs access to the facts (which you obviously don't have)?

Dan_Solo

Cyrus wrote: »

Any company backed by o Brien will pay similar interest rates, do people not understand this? It isn't a home improvements loan for 10k

Oh, I understand it completely. But the problem still isn't DOB, it's the guy giving him the cheap loan.

xhoundx

Curly Judge wrote: »

No...but I do have more brain power than she has, and my vision isn't clouded by socialist mist.

That's why you spend your valuable important time posting in AH, such a waste of a great brain

tipptom

Curly Judge wrote: »

Catherine Murphy made accusations against IBRC's board of management which will prove to be untrue.

Cmon,still waiting for these untruths that your massive brain has told us you have,out with it.

Cyrus

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Oh, I understand it completely. But the problem still isn't DOB, it's the guy giving him the cheap loan.

its not a cheap loan, the rates are at a level i would expect him to be paying,

tipptom

No answer,must be more vital info that got shredde....sorry lost misplaced in the proud tradition of Irish political corruption.

Dan_Solo

Cyrus wrote: »

its not a cheap loan, the rates are at a level i would expect him to be paying,

You said it... exactly what I expect him to pay, about 1/5th of the going rate.

Bubbaclaus

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You said it... exactly what I expect him to pay, about 1/5th of the going rate.

Since when is 1.5% 1/5th of the going rate?

For a loan that size in IBRC I would have guessed 2% without knowing any other details. Is 1.5% really that far off base?

arayess

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Since when is 1.5% 1/5th of the going rate?

For a loan that size in IBRC I would have guessed 2% without knowing any other details. Is 1.5% really that far off base?

probably not , in fairness no corporate entity would be paying 7.5%


however the manner in which he got the loan approval and the fancy terms etc...not to mention the write-off - which in itself it's that unusual but a write-off while shareholders getting paid too is bizarre.
smacks of even worse than anything that happened under FF's watch.

tipptom

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Since when is 1.5% 1/5th of the going rate?

For a loan that size in IBRC I would have guessed 2% without knowing any other details. Is 1.5% really that far off base?

That much of a rate cut to a man who was judged to have bribed a FG minister from a bank chaired by a former FG minister and by a bank whom cost the Irish tax payer the most in terms bad debts,ongoing corruption trials and Irelands reputation throughout the world?


Does giving DOB that rate cut from that bank make sense to you?

Chips Lovell

The issue is whether 1.5 percent constituted a rate cut or whether that was the rate it was charging for a borrower in that category.

7.5 percent is way off base for a start

Curly Judge

tipptom wrote: »

[/B] That much of a rate cut to a man who was judged to have bribed a FG minister from a bank chaired by a former FG minister and by a bank whom cost the Irish tax payer the most in terms bad debts,ongoing corruption trials and Irelands reputation throughout the world?


Does giving DOB that rate cut from that bank make sense to you?

Could your massive brain inform us how a commercial bank could look DOB in the eye and say, "We are going to disqualify you for the 1.5% interest rate people of your standing would normally enjoy because Judge Moriarty thinks you are a naughty boy".
If the bank thought DOB was a reasonable risk, because of his past performance, they had no choice but offer it to him.
To do otherwise would have been financial madness and would probably have led to the steps of the High Court quicker than you could say "Where's me trousers"
Arbitrary decisions are only made, and got away with, in the fantasy world of social media.