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Clinicaly dead pregnant woman on life support

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    #1052
    amdublin
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/high-court-rules-doctors-can-turn-off-life-support-for-clinically-dead-pregnant-woman-655899.html

    Very sad.

    May she rest in peace.


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    #1053
    Lingua Franca
    Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭Lingua Franca


    I'm so glad to hear it. The suffering of that family has been at the back of mind for days. I wish them all peace and privacy in their grief.


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    #1054
    osarusan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1226/668994-high-court-to-rule-on-pregnant-woman-case/
    The High Court has ruled that doctors may cease life support treatments for body of a pregnant woman who has been clinically dead for weeks as there is no reasonable prospect her child will survive.

    The right decision, thank goodness.


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    #1055
    Annabella1
    Registered Users Posts: 640 ✭✭✭Annabella1


    Thank god
    Just hope that some Pro Life Organisation don't appeal it to the Supreme Court

    Bad Laws make difficult cases
    #repealthe8th


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    #1056
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    Annabella1 wrote: »
    Thank god
    Just hope that some Pro Life Organisation don't appeal it to the Supreme Court

    Not a chance, they know when they're on a hiding to nothing, even the church has backed off here.


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    #1057
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    The only solution that could logically be found.


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    #1058
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Annabella1 wrote: »
    Thank god
    Just hope that some Pro Life Organisation don't appeal it to the Supreme Court

    Bad Laws make difficult cases
    #repealthe8th

    volchitsa wrote: »
    Not a chance, they know when they're on a hiding to nothing, even the church has backed off here.

    Wait for it. I can think of at least two pro-lifers in this thread that within an hour or two will roll up claiming its the doctors fault and the 8th is perfect. If they are daft enough to crawl outta the woodwork.


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    #1059
    amdublin
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 20,653 CMod ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    It's repulsive that we had to get to the point where a poor woman's "rotting brain" had to be described to get to this decision.

    The decision should be with the family - baby or not- just like a man or a non pregnant woman.

    #notavessel


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    #1060
    RobertKK
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    I was right, it had nothing to do with the 8th amendment so pro-choice can't use this terrible case for their own aims. It was about dignity in death.
    "To maintain and continue the present somatic support for the mother would deprive her of dignity in death and subject her father, her partner and her young children to unimaginable distress in a futile exercise which commenced only because of fears held by treating medical specialists of potential consequences".

    btw the church's stance was she should have been allowed a dignified death.

    The people who brought the 8th amendment into this from the HSE were wrong as I had suspected given the woman was dead.
    Happy that her family got justice in this but it should have never been an issue in the first place, everyone is entitled to a natural dignified death.


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    #1061
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    amdublin wrote: »
    It's repulsive that we had to get to the point where a poor woman's "rotting brain" had to be described to get to this decision.

    The decision should be with the family - baby or not- just like a man or a non pregnant woman.

    #notavessel

    Why are you using hashtags on boards? :confused:


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    #1062
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Wait for it. I can think of at least two pro-lifers in this thread that within an hour or two will roll up claiming its the doctors fault and the 8th is perfect. If they are daft enough to crawl outta the woodwork.


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was right, it had nothing to do with the 8th amendment so pro-choice can't use this terrible case for their own aims. It was about dignity in death.



    btw the church's stance was she should have been allowed a dignified death.

    The people who brought the 8th amendment into this from the HSE were wrong as I had suspected given the woman was dead.
    Happy that her family got justice in this but it should have never been an issue in the first place, everyone is entitled to a natural dignified death.

    Or a few minutes as predicted....HSE's to blame not the 8th


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    #1063
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was right, it had nothing to do with the 8th amendment so pro-choice can't use this terrible case for their own aims. It was about dignity in death.



    btw the church's stance was she should have been allowed a dignified death.

    The people who brought the 8th amendment into this from the HSE were wrong as I had suspected given the woman was dead.
    Happy that her family got justice in this but it should have never been an issue in the first place, everyone is entitled to a natural dignified death.

    Really? What if she had been 28 weeks pregnant, should she have been allowed to die a dignified death, with her fetus still inside her then?


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    #1064
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,747 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Wait for it. I can think of at least two pro-lifers in this thread that within an hour or two will roll up claiming its the doctors fault and the 8th is perfect. If they are daft enough to crawl outta the woodwork.

    Well it was daft of people who believed the 8th amendment was a reason to keep the machines going.

    The 8th amendment didn't apply to a dead woman. It was about dignity in death, which is what I said it was about all along.

    So while you might want the people who were right to stay quiet, you might look back and criticise those who were wrong, rather than those who were right.


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    #1065
    marienbad
    Registered Users Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was right, it had nothing to do with the 8th amendment so pro-choice can't use this terrible case for their own aims. It was about dignity in death.



    btw the church's stance was she should have been allowed a dignified death.

    The people who brought the 8th amendment into this from the HSE were wrong as I had suspected given the woman was dead.
    Happy that her family got justice in this but it should have never been an issue in the first place, everyone is entitled to a natural dignified death.

    How do you know they were wrong ?


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    #1066
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    Why are you using hashtags on boards? :confused:

    To hold them together.


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    #1067
    RobertKK
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    Really? What if she had been 28 weeks pregnant, should she have been allowed to die a dignified death, with her fetus still inside her then?

    She is dead, so yes, if the baby could be delivered alive then that is what would have happened. Everyone is entitled to a natural dignified death.


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    #1068
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Well it was daft of people who believed the 8th amendment was a reason to keep the machines going.

    The 8th amendment didn't apply to a dead woman. It was about dignity in death, which is what I said it was about all along.

    So while you might want the people who were right to stay quiet, you might look back and criticise those who were wrong, rather than those who were right.
    Except your version of "right" disagreed with everthing that was raised in the court case and every person who cited the 8th as being the issue......


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    #1069
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Well it was daft of people who believed the 8th amendment was a reason to keep the machines going.

    The 8th amendment didn't apply to a dead woman. It was about dignity in death, which is what I said it was about all along.

    So while you might want the people who were right to stay quiet, you might look back and criticise those who were wrong, rather than those who were right.

    The 8th amendment applied here to the fetus, not the woman. How did it not?
    And where does 40.3.3 say anything about dignity in death?


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    #1070
    Amirani
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    Annabella1 wrote: »
    Thank god
    Just hope that some Pro Life Organisation don't appeal it to the Supreme Court

    "The decision will not be appealed to the Supreme Court after the court was told lawyers representing the interests of this particular unborn felt its interests had been fully considered." - Irish Times


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    #1071
    RobertKK
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    volchitsa wrote: »
    The 8th amendment applied here to the fetus, not the woman. How did it not?
    And where does 40.3.3 say anything about dignity in death?

    No it didn't. The unborn had no mother as she was dead.


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    #1072
    pmasterson95
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    marienbad wrote: »
    How do you know they were wrong ?

    They are not RobertKKK therefore they are wrong.


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    #1073
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was right, it had nothing to do with the 8th amendment so pro-choice can't use this terrible case for their own aims. It was about dignity in death.



    btw the church's stance was she should have been allowed a dignified death.

    The people who brought the 8th amendment into this from the HSE were wrong as I had suspected given the woman was dead.
    Happy that her family got justice in this but it should have never been an issue in the first place, everyone is entitled to a natural dignified death.

    The judges said more than that. Note also the reference to fear. But then that would require you to drop the faith filled blinkers. People are entitled to more than a natural death also. They are entitled to make up their own minds independently of you and the supernaturalist nonsense of religions claiming to speak on behalf of an alleged deity.


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    #1074
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    RobertKK wrote: »
    No it didn't. The unborn had no mother as she was dead.

    So the doctors & lawyers who said that the problem was the 8th applying to the fetus are what??? Less qualified than you is it?


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    #1075
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,187 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    The 8th amendment gives a tiny clump of cells the same right to life as me an adult woman. That is obscene. It was a ridiculous amendment in the first place and still is now. It needs to go (and quickly).


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    #1076
    Its Only Ray Parlour
    Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭Its Only Ray Parlour


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    They are not RobertKKK therefore they are wrong.

    Robert isn't a member of the KKK, he's just a pro-life autocrat.


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    #1077
    efb
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    Watch Thr pro lifers say this was nothing to do with the 8th when that's what created the issue


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    #1078
    pmasterson95
    Registered Users Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭pmasterson95


    Its Only Ray Parlour wrote: »
    Robert isn't a member of the KKK, he's just a pro-life autocrat.

    Oops just noticed its KK not KKK.....my bad.


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    #1079
    Cantremember
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Cantremember


    Utterly disgusted by this case and the human misery inflicted again at the behest of supernaturalists. Nothing to be said to these people.


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    #1080
    volchitsa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,371 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    RobertKK wrote: »
    No it didn't. The unborn had no mother as she was dead.

    So motherless children have fewer rights than those with mothers???


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    #1081
    silverharp
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    efb wrote: »
    Watch Thr pro lifers say this was nothing to do with the 8th when that's what created the issue

    they are not really pro lifers just pro birthers, they dont give two flying fcks after

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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