Will you vote in the gay marriage referendum?

Timberrrrrrrr

Willfarman wrote: »

Il be voting and I will be voting No. I can't see why the gays should have the life orielly, they should be tied down like the rest of us.

So you mean you will vote yes :rolleyes:

Akrasia

conditioned games wrote: »

I'll be voting no. Way off the chart to be considered normal behaviour.

All the polling in the last number of years have indicated majority support for giving equal rights to gay people. It's getting to the stage where holding homophobic views is such a minority position that it's no longer considered 'normal behaviour'

It used to be 'normal' that a father could 'marry off' his teenage daughters to increase his own power and influence and the daughters had little or no say in the matter. (it still is in some parts of the world)

Is it 'normal' for someone to strongly believe that women should not be allowed to vote? Or that schools should be allowed to beat children, or that a King is there by divine right...

There is absolutely nothing abnormal about two people of the same sex falling in love. It happens in many species of animal, it has happened in humans for as far back as we have reliable records

Willfarman

Normal is just a setting on the dishwasher lad! But now animals falling in love? Holy jasus you were going well...

RobertKK

Daith wrote: »

People can vote however they want and people can be judged on how they vote. Same as anything.



The Catholic Church are campaigning for No. Voting for yes would be voting against the Catholic Church though.

In a civilised society, name calling is not a valid reason to vote yes or no. It just antagonises and make the person more set in their ways, that is why judging a person is not constructive. You are voting on an issue, not the voter.

The Catholic Church can campaign no if it wants, one is not voting on the Catholic church.

AudreyHepburn

Daith wrote: »

I'm not, however the Catholic Church as an organisation has made it's stance. It will have no problem saying "If you're a good Catholic vote no"

Luckily most Catholics nowadays are the mindless sheep people would like them to be.

1123heavy

I shall be voting NO. They can do whatever they like but 'marriage' itself was made to be a sign of a bonding between a man and a woman, not a man and a man or two women. I'm also not liking the bully boy tactics and people putting pressure on everyone else to vote their way by name calling. I have a right to vote whatever way I want and I should not and will not accept abuse from anybody for it.

El Weirdo

bop1977 wrote: »

I probably won't due to just not caring either way about the issue.

Errrrrm...

bop1977 wrote: »

I don't think that a protest vote will apply as most people likely to vote will either, vote with their bigoted prehistoric views or vote with a bit of cop on and pass it.

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Akrasia wrote: »

. It happens in many species of animal,

Links please.


I'll be voting no BTW. And no I'm not homophobic just because I have an opinion on the subject.

Daith

RobertKK wrote: »

The Catholic Church cab campaign no if it wants, do we not live in a free society?

Yes and people are allowed to have opinions about other peoples opinions. That's a free society.

Daith

Crew Gentle Income wrote: »

I'll be voting no BTW. And no I'm not homophobic just because I have an opinion on the subject.

What's your reason so?

wexandproud

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Voting Yes, of course. Only imbeciles aren't voting, or voting no.

there is actually not a single valid reason for voting no on this issue, or not voting at all.

"It doesn't affect me" is not a valid reason.

have always voted and will be this time. Was on the fence with this one at the moment but this sort of attitude from one side of the debate really pi..e. me off and would help me make my mind up very quickly

BoJack Horseman

I'll be voting 'Yes'.

However I feel the motion will be defeated.

RobertKK

Daith wrote: »

Yes and people are allowed to have opinions about other peoples opinions. That's a free society.

But do you not see the irony of being for something, but having an attitude that actually works against what you want?
By judging people you are more likely to be making them more likely to reject what you want.

AudreyHepburn

Crew Gentle Income wrote: »

Links please.


I'll be voting no BTW. And no I'm not homophobic just because I have an opinion on the subject.

Unless you can provide valid reasons for voting no then yes you are homophobic.

Daith

RobertKK wrote: »

By judging people you are more likely to be making them more likely to reject what you want.

Yes you're right. The Catholic Church judges people all the time and that's why I reject them.

Timberrrrrrrr

Crew Gentle Income wrote: »

Links please.


I'll be voting no BTW. And no I'm not homophobic just because I have an opinion on the subject.

Here's a link to a story about a gay bull

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/benjy-the-gay-bull-saved-by-simpsons-cocreator-sam-simon-has-found-love-in-his-new-home-9925659.html

AudreyHepburn

1123heavy wrote: »

I shall be voting NO. They can do whatever they like but 'marriage' itself was made to be a sign of a bonding between a man and a woman, not a man and a man or two women. I'm also not liking the bully boy tactics and people putting pressure on everyone else to vote their way by name calling. I have a right to vote whatever way I want and I should not and will not accept abuse from anybody for it.

Genuinely curious but where was the rule set down?

If two consenting adults have decided that they love each other and want to spent the rest of their lives together who are any of us to tell them they are wrong?

Willfarman

Well I always feel i should be Ireland's dictator. Democracy just doesn't work. Ya just cannot trust the public to make the right choice. They kept puttin in Charlie and Bertie. They wouldn't abolish the Seanad. I want to be a Dictator for the dick takers.

efb

Yes. I'd like to be an equal citizen

Daith

efb wrote: »

Yes. I'd like to be an equal citizen

Quiet you. You live in a Republic. Equality is voted on.

The Irish Republic is entitled to, and hereby claims, the allegiance of every Irishman and Irishwoman. The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally and oblivious of the differences carefully fostered by an alien government, which have divided a minority from the majority in the past.

To Elland Back

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

are you voting no? Tell me why, and if there are actual reasons other than "Because God says so" and "it doesn't affect me" then I might change my mind, but as it is, the "no" side ARE imbeciles.

There is absolutely zero reason for anyone to note no on this issue, none.

Forget what the vote is about for a minute. One poster announced that anyone voting no would be an imbecile. That's the type of comment that gets people, myself included, sufficiently annoyed to consider voting the opposite way to what they originally intended. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion and cast their vote accordingly.

To many, gay marriage would have an adverse effect on marriage. I, personally, will be voting yes and hope it gets passed

RobertKK

Daith wrote: »

Yes you're right. The Catholic Church judges people all the time and that's why I reject them.

The church would argue that God judges, and the word of God in the bible on homosexuality is against same sex relationships, whether that is in Levicticus, Sodom and Gomorrah or in one of the letters of St Peter.

You have a right to accept or reject based on what you believe.

Timberrrrrrrr

To Elland Back wrote: »

Forget what the vote is about for a minute. One poster announced that anyone voting no would be an imbecile. That's the type of comment that gets people, myself included, sufficiently annoyed to consider voting the opposite way to what they originally intended. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion and cast their vote accordingly.

To many, gay marriage would have an adverse effect on marriage. I, personally, will be voting yes and hope it gets passed

How?

1123heavy

What is all this 'I want to be an equal citizen' nonsense. We don't live in 1950's USA, EVERYONE here is equal. Equal in that everyone is currently afforded the same rights of only being able to formally marry a member of the opposite gender, it isn't a case of gay marriage only allowed for some for people to be crying inequality !?!?!

Timberrrrrrrr

RobertKK wrote: »

The church would argue that God judges, and the word of God in the bible on homosexuality is against same sex relationships, whether that is in Levicticus, Sodom and Gomorrah or in one of the letters of St Peter.

You have a right to accept or reject based on what you believe.

The bible also states that women who are not virgins should be stoned to death, The bible says a lot of stupid things.

Daith

To Elland Back wrote: »

Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion and cast their vote accordingly.

To be honest my main problem is that when people say no and "It's my vote I can do what I want" I understand that but a small part of me just wants to know why? I've never been in a situation where someone decides whether I should be equal to them.

You get upset because people called you an imbecile? I get upset when people decide I shouldn't be equal to them.

Daith

1123heavy wrote: »

What is all this 'I want to be an equal citizen' nonsense. We don't live in 1950's USA, EVERYONE here is equal. Equal in that everyone is currently afforded the same rights of only being able to formally marry a member of the opposite gender, it isn't a case of gay marriage only allowed for some for people to be crying inequality !?!?!

No I'm not equal. I can't marry another person of the same sexuality as I am. Straight people can marry people of the same sexuality.

To Elland Back

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

How?

I said 'to many', not to me. Those who feel it will, have being posting their thoughts earlier in this thread

RobertKK

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The bible also states that women who are not virgins should be stoned to death, The bible says a lot of stupid things.

Jesus said he without sin throw the first stone.

Penny Tration

Haven't missed a vote since I turned 18, won't miss this one. I'll be voting yes.

Lots of people I know, including religious people, and even a few homophobic relatives, are voting yes, thankfully.

ziedth

1123heavy wrote: »

I shall be voting NO. They can do whatever they like but 'marriage' itself was made to be a sign of a bonding between a man and a woman, not a man and a man or two women. I'm also not liking the bully boy tactics and people putting pressure on everyone else to vote their way by name calling. I have a right to vote whatever way I want and I should not and will not accept abuse from anybody for it.

You see I don't understand this argument. If you don't believe that that two people of the same sex should get married that is your right then don't marry someone of the same sex and leave it at that.

It's not going to effect "marriage" at all, if the referendum was to force the various churches to accept same sex marriages then I could see the point but I don't see how letting two people just get married in a civil ceremony makes your or my marriage any less real. Like, of course it doesn't.

same sex marriages are happening every day and none of us have burst into flames or my wife hasn't decided to leave me, if it's all just about protecting "marriage" surely the damage is done. Like there are people getting married over in Scotland right now so does it matter if they are getting married a few hundred miles closer to home ya know?

1123heavy

Daith, not one person on this isle can marry someone of the same gender, we are therefore equal.

eviltwin

I will be voting in favour of SSM because its the right thing to do. I have some gay family members who are directly affected by the marriage ban but that's by the by. I would still vote Yes even if I didn't know anyone who could benefit. I have a little boy and I hope that when he gets older SSM is legal and normal and that we look back on all this debate and scaremongering and wonder what was we were ever afraid of. I want to be able to say to him that I was part of the generation that made it legal and set an example to the rest of the world that we are a country that respects all our people regardless of sexuality.

frankeee

Grayson wrote: »

You've been to ireland yeah?

http://www.kilkennyjournal.ie/index.php/news/item/1232-paedophiles-set-to-pose-as-gays-to-marry-and-adopt-kids

Yes, but not really an avid reader of the parochial newspapers. But from speaking to actual people who would be considered god botherers I genuinely don't know anyone who would be in the no camp (no pun intended). Similarly the CC is against sex before marriage, but don't know anyone who agrees with it. Are they hypocrites for not leaving the church? Possibly. But to each their own.

efb

1123heavy wrote: »

What is all this 'I want to be an equal citizen' nonsense. We don't live in 1950's USA, EVERYONE here is equal. Equal in that everyone is currently afforded the same rights of only being able to formally marry a member of the opposite gender, it isn't a case of gay marriage only allowed for some for people to be crying inequality !?!?!

Marry the person they have formed a lifetime relationship with

Daith

1123heavy wrote: »

Daith, not one person on this isle can marry someone of the same gender, we are therefore equal.

Only one group can marry someone of the same sexuality therefore we are not equal.

efb

1123heavy wrote: »

Daith, not one person on this isle can marry someone of the same gender, we are therefore equal.

Marry their life partner

lazybones32

Daith wrote: »

What's your reason so?

The cheek of you!
No-one owes you any reason or answer for theirvoting decision.

Besides, how you can say you'll vote for something you haven't even read yet is somewhat worrisome.

Rubberchikken

i will be voting. always do.
one of my kids could be gay. one of my future grandchildren. i'm looking after their futures/their happiness.
sometimes you need to think outside the box.

efb

RobertKK wrote: »

Jesus said he without sin throw the first stone.

Love one another as I has I loved you.

Give unto Cesear what is Ceasears

To Elland Back

Daith wrote: »

To be honest my main problem is that when people say no and "It's my vote I can do what I want" I understand that but a small part of me just wants to know why? I've never been in a situation where someone decides whether I should be equal to them.

You get upset because people called you an imbecile? I get upset when people decide I shouldn't be equal to them.

Every referendum is about the opportunity to change the way we currently enjoy life in Ireland. By far the vast majority of people who vote never express their reasons for voting the way they do.

Penny Tration

lazybones32 wrote: »

The cheek of you!
No-one owes you any reason or answer for theirvoting decision.

Besides, how you can say you'll vote for something you haven't even read yet is somewhat worrisome.

He never said anyone owes him a reason. He questioned someone. That's kinda what you do on a discussion forum.

Daith

lazybones32 wrote: »

The cheek of you!
No-one owes you any reason or answer for theirvoting decision.

The cheek of me asking why someone would vote no to mean being equal. Yeah the bloody cheek. I just asked why that's it. Didn't do anything more than that.

lazybones32 wrote: »

Besides, how you can say you'll vote for something you haven't even read yet is somewhat worrisome.

That person said they'd vote no based on something they haven't read either.

Daith

To Elland Back wrote: »

Every referendum is about the opportunity to change the way we currently enjoy life in Ireland. By far the vast majority of people who vote never express their reasons for voting the way they do.

I never said they had to but just I'd like to know.

Timberrrrrrrr

RobertKK wrote: »

Jesus said he without sin throw the first stone.

So what parts of the bible should be believed?

Penn

1123heavy wrote: »

What is all this 'I want to be an equal citizen' nonsense. We don't live in 1950's USA, EVERYONE here is equal. Equal in that everyone is currently afforded the same rights of only being able to formally marry a member of the opposite gender, it isn't a case of gay marriage only allowed for some for people to be crying inequality !?!?!

That's semantics. It's not about marrying someone of the opposite gender, it's about being able to marry the person that you love, and for all relationships to be treated as equal in the eyes of the State. Not being able to marry the person you love simply because they're the same gender as you means your relationship is considered to be less worthy of legal and social recognition, and that is not equality.

A woman and a man fall in love, they can get married.
A woman and another woman fall in love, they can't get married.

Isn't that a right being denied due to gender & sexuality? How is that equal?

Willfarman

Anyone able to tell me any statistics of the success rates of long term marriage In gay men? Does it not double the chance of tomcating?

Penn

Rubberchikken wrote: »

i will be voting. always do.
one of my kids could be gay. one of my future grandchildren. i'm looking after their futures/their happiness.
sometimes you need to think outside the box.

Exactly. A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

Daith

Penn wrote: »

Exactly. A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

I'm going to borrow that line!

Penny Tration

Penn wrote: »

Exactly. A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.

That's a lovely phrase