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George is the perfect example of a man getting better looking with age. George at 25 versus George at 50.
He looks 50.
And honestly not better looking. There's bad 80s hair going on, but transplant that onto him now, or give him the 50 something haircut then, and 25 yo George wins for me.
And your Mick Jagger example from earlier was ridiculous.
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No, sorry PB, maybe you're getting confused here. I have a mind and a memory and can call on both to bring forth relevant information and I could do it before google was around and can do it now.Google is a great place for information.
Ouch. Saucer of milk to Ed's table.steddyeddy wrote: »Well then use it to form a decent rebuttal for once. (Or to look up the word rebuttal). Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Not nearly as bad as if you're a woman though. Men have so many more advantages as far as aging is concerned. TBH it's why I have little sympathy for men who whine about getting old in their 30's and yep I've heard a few muppets express that at that age.So... things have worsened.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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He looks 50.
And honestly not better looking. There's bad 80s hair going on, but transplant that onto him now, or give him the 50 something haircut then, and 25 yo George wins for me.
And your Mick Jagger example from earlier was ridiculous.
What's you opinion on it?
You seem to think people should just fall apart at 25 because they'll never look 20 again.
There are 40 year old men who'd have a better chance at attracting a 30 y/o woman, than a chubby 30 y/o man.0 -
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Well... yes and no LKL.... At 20 I was a crosseyed gobshíte when it came to the ladies, so any improvement would have been notable.Littlekittylou wrote: »Fair play wibbs!
I'd agree with Tarzana(I think it was) who is dubious of celeb types and surgery. Doesn't even have to be surgery. Especially for men. Men are allowed to age more in our culture(and I would argue biologically too*), so wrinkles and grey hair within a certain range aren't the issue they would be for women, especially women in the public eye. Men also have an advantage that their lifetime hormonal and fertility levels are far less age related compared to women**.
So older men can get hormonal "top ups" replacement therapy as it were to mirror their younger hormonal profiles. Indeed in the US, in certain states, this is quite legal. 50 year old goes to the quack, said quack diagnoses "male menopause" and fills out a script for testosterone injections and patches and human growth hormone and voila, pretty big changes can come from that. The aforementioned Stallone was quite recently caught with enough HGH to turn pygmies into basketball players. Robbie Williams actually came out and said he was on hormone replacement therapy and it made a big diff. Fair play to BOb, he did admit it. There are more than a few Hollywood dudes I could point to who I'd bet the farm were on such "therapies". I actually know a chap in the US who at the age of 49 went to the docs and complained about general tiredness, lack of horniness etc and he ended up on such a regime(cheap it is not). The changes have been notable. I've seen it face to face. The test made him horny.:) and the weight fell off him, but the growth hormone really made the difference. His skin lost a decade and energy levels and the like went right up. He just looks better, much better. I say fair play, but god knows what the long term issues may be.
*men remain fertile throughout life and can father children well into their 70's and even beyond, so clearly nature selected for this. Probably because older men would have more resources and local knowledge so were still a good bet for younger fertile women. Hence some age related changes like wrinkles were allowed for, even sought out. For some reason women go through a menopause, unique AFAIR in the great apes. There must have been some evolutionary pressure for that too. But it meant that women, as far as pure fertility goes had a "sell by date", but clearly still had high value beyond that date or women would be dropping off the twig at 50. Interesting human males also lost the penis bone and got the biggest willies in the great apes, so women were selecting for that from way back. IMH as a way to judge physical fitness outside of calendar age. IE if he can get it up and do the deed he's still fit enough hormonally and physically to father kids and keep bringing in the bacon.
** there was a study a few years back that suggested that men also had a "menopause" and their fertility and viability dropped at about the same age was women. However when others looked at the study they noted something that should have been obvious. The original study was looking at the fertility rates of couples where the woman was around the same age as the man. When they looked at age gap couples the picture radically changed. Basically for healthy men and women, the age of the mother was the biggest influence on fertility by far. So much so that sperm banks across Europe upped the age limit for male donors to 50-55.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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No, sorry PB, maybe you're getting confused here. I have a mind and a memory and can call on both to bring forth relevant information and I could do it before google was around and can do it now.
Ouch. Saucer of milk to Ed's table.
30'000+ posts.. Mod of Sex and Sexuality and Mod of The Gentlemen's Club.. Hmmmm Someone who has so much time to post about relationship problems on here and Moderates two forums basically about sex... Just hmmm0 -
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This thread has been going on way too long. Either dump her or just tell her out and out that you think she's gained weight. F' me it's not that hard to be honest with someone. For all people who have commented on this thread either make a joke about his chubby GF or tell him to dump her. If he has not got the balls to say it to her and post a thread on a forum about her then the poor girl is losing time in finding the person she is going to be with for the rest of her life.
OP did speak to his girlfriend, he posted an update a couple of days ago.
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And still gorgeous at 40. He'd find it easier to attract women at 40 than 20, fame and wealth aside.
Better though, is debatable.
And, no, you can't push the ol' wealth and fame aside there and make that statement. They're kinda important, as I'm sure you well know.
Again, people need to stop using celebs as examples, it's flawed for various reasons.
Ewww, Gary Lineker. If he didn't have money, no way would the women he attracted stick around. You simply can't discount fame and money like that. 0 -
Better though, is debatable.
And, no, you can't push the ol' wealth and fame aside there and make that statement. They're kinda important, as I'm sure you well know.
Again, people need to stop using celebs as examples, it's flawed for various reasons.
Well I could name people I know but don't think they'd appreciate me posting pics here.
In terms of a man's body, it'seems not even debatable, most men should be able to have a similar body or better at 40 if they look after their health. Building muscle is slow, that's why most bodybuilder champions would be 30 or over.
Facially of course you can't hide two decades of aging, but for men I find that a slightly aged face is more attractive than a fresh faced 20 year old. Again assuming their health is maintained.
In terms of the overall package I'd say a man becomes his most attractive assuming health maintained usually in their late thirties, with women it's probably early to mid twenties.
At 30 I think I can attract women of most ages better than at 20. I can attract 20 year old better now, 30, 35, 40 year old better now. I'very no experience of trying to attract pensioners but I'd guess I'don't be in with a better shot. 0 -
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