2 NYPD cops shot dead in retaliation...

Karl Stein

Amazingfun wrote: »

Are you for real?

Yes.

I gave you the link already:

When I googled one of your statistics on crime in a post you had no link to it brought me to a racist blogger's pseudonym 'Hunter Wallace'.

Are you familiar with 'Occidental Dissent' and other such Southern white supremacist bloggers from the US?

shruikan2553

Amazingfun wrote: »

Well...this is Boards. I wouldn't worry about people wasting time lol

But I haven't the faintest clue what you're on about. That stats are the stats and if you accept them then why does the "language" bother you so?

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--OXuXBk03--/18calq4ybym0sjpg.jpg

So if we ban internet explorer black people will disappear? Yay statistics.

DarkyHughes

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

There you go!

Obama makes it to the top of the tree & still blacks feel disenfranchised & out of the loop where opportunities are concerned.

Of course anybody pointing this out is automatically considered a Racist though.

Yeah because Obama is just every single black person in history.

Amazingfun

Karl Stein wrote: »

Yes.



When I googled one of your statistics on crime in a post you had no link to it brought me to a racist blooger's pseudonym 'Hunter Wallace'.

Are you familiar with 'Occidental Dissent' and other such Southern white supremacist bloggers from the US?

Karl Stein: (not that I care as your agenda is obvious)--but you have been given the NYC gov.com website wherein backup for all crime stats are to be found.

Do you think they are lying? Are they too "supremacists" in your mind?

Sand

Shootings like these help explain why the US police can seem so heavy handed - it is an ongoing threat they face day in, day out.

Politically, I think the US public will weigh in behind the police after this and political and public figures who were making OTT comments will be back-pedalling from anti-police positions and statements as fast as they can. That said I'm also sure the shooter will be embraced as a counter-culture hero.

Lazy talk about cops murdering people encourages people to target police officers. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, but you'd hope public figures stick to the facts of the various cases in future.

enfant terrible

AboutaWeekAgo wrote: »

I know you're supposed to attack the post and not the poster so hopefully I word this right.

Don't do it so.

If you have a problem with the statistics, call him on it.

Cowardly way to try and stop a debate, call someone a racist.

DarkyHughes

Sand wrote: »

Shootings like these help explain why the US police can seem so heavy handed - it is an ongoing threat they face day in, day out.

Politically, I think the US public will weigh in behind the police after this and political and public figures who were making OTT comments will be back-pedalling from anti-police positions and statements as fast as they can. That said I'm also sure the shooter will be embraced as a counter-culture hero.

Lazy talk about cops murdering people encourages people to target police officers. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, but you'd hope public figures stick to the facts of the various cases in future.

It's not lazy talk if they actually did murder people. But it doesn't give anyone the right to go out & murder any two people cops or no cops.

Amazingfun

DarkyHughes wrote: »

It's not lazy talk if they actually did murder people. But it doesn't give anyone the right to go out & murder any two people cops or no cops.

As you well ought to admit by now: it's already been settled. The Mike Brown case was no murder. He attacked Officer Wilson.

The Eric Garner case was no murder of an innocent by an officer either btw.

Donkey Oaty

Amazingfun wrote: »

Well...this is Boards. I wouldn't worry about people wasting time lol

But I haven't the faintest clue what you're on about. That stats are the stats and if you accept them then why does the "language" bother you so?

It interests me rather than bothers me. Because if you say:

1) Fifty per cent of Crime X was committed by Whites

it has a different nuance to saying:

2) Whites are responsible for fifty per cent of Crime X.

1) tells you about the ethnic background of the criminals, while 2) reads like it is trying to tell you something about White people.

Amazingfun

Got News has identified the murderer of the two officers in NYC and posted a photo:


http://gotnews.com/breaking-heres-pro-muslim-anti-cop-social-media-brooklyn-lady-cop-killer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gotnewsdotcom+%28Got+News%29

shamrock55

Time for robocop!!

Filmer Paradise

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Yeah because Obama is just every single black person in history.

If you insist.

Okay, Afro-Americans have been (& rightly so) playing up the situation with slavery & all that for countless years.

They complained that they had no chances because of their colour.

So far so good.

Now, it has been proven that there's no colour bar. Obama is their leader now.
Leader of the Free World.

To continue with the same awld yarn about 'discrimination'. Well it starts to wear thin.

Any residual White Guilt about crimes past will evaporate & the door will be closed to any future Obamas.

Just my 2 cent..

shruikan2553

Muslim shoots someone? Must have been motivated by it. Christian shoots someone? Nope, he was just crazy, in fact, we wont even bother mentioning his religion.

enfant terrible

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Muslim shoots someone? Must have been motivated by it. Christian shoots someone? Nope, he was just crazy, in fact, we wont even bother mentioning his religion.

Ya I'm sick of those crazy Christians killing in the name of Allah.

BlaasForRafa

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

It interests me rather than bothers me. Because if you say:

1) Fifty per cent of Crime X was committed by Whites

it has a different nuance to saying:

2) Whites are responsible for fifty per cent of Crime X.

1) tells you about the ethnic background of the criminals, while 2) reads like it is trying to tell you something about White people.

A tone argument.....seriously?

Maybe instead of attacking the poster with veiled insinuations of racism you attack the post and either prove that the statistics are wrong or try and provide some context for them.

shruikan2553

enfant terrible wrote: »

Ya I'm sick of those crazy Christians killing in the name of Allah.

If a muslim ****s in the woods and nobody is around to here it, is it in the name of allah?

Its not like anyone else with a religion has killed a person :rolleyes:

enfant terrible

shruikan2553 wrote: »

If a muslim ****s in the woods and nobody is around to here it, is it in the name of allah?

Its not like anyone else with a religion has killed a person :rolleyes:

I'm agreeing with you.

I travel to London regularly so I'm just praying I don't get caught in a sleeper cell Christian attack.

Skylinehead

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Race can't be a motive.

Only white people are motivated by racial hatred to kill.

Officers named as Liu Wenjin and Raphael Ramos. Sounds like Asian-American and Latino to me. So where's this racist angle you're fishing for?

shruikan2553

enfant terrible wrote: »

I'm agreeing with you.

I travel to London regularly so I'm just praying I don't get caught in a sleeper cell Christian attack.

Assuming you are older than 18 I would say you are safe from Christians. Because it seems like all members of a religion are the same :rolleyes:

lazybones32

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

You'd think that now that Obama is in the White House, this persecution complex that a lot of African-Americans seem to have might have gone away.

Still very much alive & well with them, it seems. Sad really.

Barrack plays the race card a lot, so why would the situation improve?

enfant terrible

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Assuming you are older than 18 I would say you are safe from Christians. Because it seems like all members of a religion are the same :rolleyes:

Oh Christians much more dangerous wouldn't you agree?

Donkey Oaty

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Maybe instead of attacking the poster with veiled insinuations of racism you attack the post and either prove that the statistics are wrong or try and provide some context for them.

No veiled insinuations of racism from me, nor am I saying that that the statistics are wrong.

Maybe you should read last couple of pages of the thread a bit more carefully.

Filmer Paradise

lazybones32 wrote: »

Barrack plays the race card a lot, so why would the situation improve?

Does he? I'm not aware of that.

If he is, he's doing a massive disservice to black Americans.

Amazingfun

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

No veiled insinuations of racism from me, nor am I saying that that the statistics are wrong.

Maybe you should read last couple of pages of the thread a bit more carefully.

You outright claimed the NYC gov "wouldn't use such language".

And yet they did. So again: what is your problem with said language and if not accusing them of "racism"....then what are you accusing them of?

creolebelle

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Does he? I'm not aware of that.

If he is, he's doing a massive disservice to black Americans.

How? Obama is just pointing out the reality of racism in the US.

Amazingfun

creolebelle wrote: »

How? Obama is just pointing out the reality of racism in the US.

Really?

How is he doing that exactly? What is the "reality of racism in the US"....according to you?

Filmer Paradise

creolebelle wrote: »

How? Obama is just pointing out the reality of racism in the US.

Is he? Not aware of that.

Still, if some people don't want to participate in society well then, that's their problem.

Of course there's the bleeding heart liberals, the 'as long as it's not in my back-yard' brigade, that defends 'the injustice of it all' & and that guff.

The problem with these Liberal types is that they don't usually have viable solutions to the problems that come up.

They just yammer on about rights for the disadvantaged without questioning as to how these people might take some kinda responsability for their choices, lifestyle & their actions.

'shure the gubberment is to blame':rolleyes:

Amazingfun

Welp....I've waited patiently but Karl Stein/CreoleBelle/DonkeyOtey and a few others have not been able to answer any of the questions posed to them.
Guess that says it all

Aspiring

Some of the stuff people are saying on social media about this is fúcking disgusting.

Just take a look at some examples:
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/20/can-they-breathe-execution-style-killing-of-two-nypd-officers-celebrated-salute-the-shooter/

How can somebody celebrate something like this. Completely deranged.

Donkey Oaty

Amazingfun wrote: »

You outright claimed the NYC gov "wouldn't use such language".

And yet they did.

No. They did not.

In New York City, African-Americans are 25.5 percent of the population, but are responsible for 55.5 percent of homicide, 45.5 percent of rape, 63.5 percent of robbery, and 52.8 percent of aggravated assault.

If you can show me where this actual quote appears in a New York government document, I'm happy to be corrected.

Donkey Oaty

Amazingfun wrote: »

Welp....I've waited patiently but Karl Stein/CreoleBelle/DonkeyOtey and a few others have not been able to answer any of the questions posed to them.
Guess that says it all

Maybe if you understood the answers you were given the first time people wouldn't lose interest.

Amazingfun

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

No. They did not.

If you can show me where this actual quote appears in a New York government document, I'm happy to be corrected.

The crime stats are listed in explicit detail. Do you not take this as denoting "responsibility" LOL?

Look at this page-what does it say?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/2013_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf

Or in your mind are the actual perpetrators of crime not "responsible" for the acts they commit??

Amazingfun

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Maybe if you understood the answers you were given the first time people wouldn't lose interest.

There has been no answer to the questions posed to them.
From you only the nonsensical answer which I've addressed above.

creolebelle

Amazingfun wrote: »

Really?

How is he doing that exactly? What is the "reality of racism in the US"....according to you?

Let me rephrase my original statement:
He is simply sharing his past experiences with racism in the US. Understand now?

Amazingfun

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Maybe if you understood the answers you were given the first time people wouldn't lose interest.

:pac: creolebelle *likes* this post and yet hasn't answered the questions posed to her. LOL.

creolebelle

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Is he? Not aware of that.

Still, if some people don't want to participate in society well then, that's their problem.

Of course there's the bleeding heart liberals, the 'as long as it's not in my back-yard' brigade, that defends 'the injustice of it all' & and that guff.

The problem with these Liberal types is that they don't usually have viable solutions to the problems that come up.

They just yammer on about rights for the disadvantaged without questioning as to how these people might take some kinda responsability for their choices, lifestyle & their actions.

'shure the gubberment is to blame':rolleyes:

I'm sorry I'm lost. But your point about choosing not to participate in society, it more of people who feel excluded by society

creolebelle

Amazingfun wrote: »

:pac: creolebelle *likes* this post and yet hasn't answered the questions posed to her. LOL.

I just did. I'm not on boards anxiously awaiting replies to my posts.

Amazingfun

creolebelle wrote: »

Let me rephrase my original statement:
He is simply sharing his past experiences with racism in the US. Understand now?

You mean you retract your statement and insinuation regarding the supposed " reality of race in the USA" since it appears you had absolutely nothing on which to base such a statement?

Yes. I understand this-same as I understood it at the time of your first posting it.

Donkey Oaty

Amazingfun wrote: »

The crime stats are listed in explicit detail. Do you not take this as denoting "responsibility" LOL?

Look at this page-what does it say?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/2013_year_end_enforcement_report.pdf

Or in your mind are the actual perpetrators of crime not "responsible" for the acts they commit??

LOL indeed.

Best of luck with the linguistics PhD.

Goodnight!

Amazingfun

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

LOL indeed.

Best of luck with the linguistics PhD.

Goodnight!

Smart move

creolebelle

Amazingfun wrote: »

You mean you retract your statement and insinuation regarding the supposed " reality of race in the USA" since it appears you had absolutely nothing on which to base such a statement?

Yes. I understand this-same as I understood it at the time of your first posting it.

Umm no. He is sharing his reality of race in America. I based my statements on his interviews and speeches.

Filmer Paradise

creolebelle wrote: »

I'm sorry I'm lost. But your point about choosing not to participate in society, it more of people who feel excluded by society

I'm sorry, I don't follow what you're saying here...

My view is that people should take responsability for their own lives & their own actions.

not blame the 'system' for their own mess.

Amazingfun

creolebelle wrote: »

Umm no. He is sharing his reality of race in America which is his reality. I based my statements on his interviews and speeches.

Nice try. His "experience of race" is of being raised in luxury and privilege by his white grandparent.

Anyhow you've "re-phrased" your original bunk so no need to travel down the mythical "poor black Obama" road.

Amazingfun

Guess these folks got what they were calling out for: dead cops.

creolebelle

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

I'm sorry, I don't follow what you're saying here...

My view is that people should take responsability for their own lives & their own actions.

not blame the 'system' for their own mess.

I agree with this and I think most people do but I think personal responsibility is only a small factor when looking at behavior in a larger socio political framework

Amazingfun

creolebelle wrote: »

I agree with this and I think most people do but I think personal responsibility is only a small factor when looking at behavior in a larger socio political framework

Indeed.

creolebelle

Amazingfun wrote: »

Nice try. His "experience of race" is of being raised in luxury and privilege by his white grandparent.

Anyhow you've "re-phrased" your original bunk so no need to travel down the mythical "poor black Obama" road.

His experiences are just that, HIS experiences. Not yours. I never said or implied that pres. Obama is a "poor black"

creolebelle

Amazingfun wrote: »

Indeed.

Go on.

Amazingfun

creolebelle wrote: »

His experiences are just that, HIS experiences. Not yours. I never said or implied that pres. Obama is a "poor black"

Yes you were. Your original post claimed he was stating "the reality of race in the USA"....and on a thread where you appear to be trying to frame black crime as excusable/understandable due to some vague "socio-political" structure.

It's bunk.

Filmer Paradise

creolebelle wrote: »

I agree with this and I think most people do but I think personal responsibility is only a small factor when looking at behavior in a larger socio political framework

So. we as a society should make allowances for a certain group of people who are used to getting handouts because they have become used to being 'victoms'

Build a bridge & get over it Folks.

FFS!