anti Islam rally

BuilderPlumber

fire_side wrote: »

yeah turkey is the sweden of the mid east

rolls eyes

Turkey is far from perfect but has generally been going in the right direction for its history. Same with pre 1979 Iran, Iran under Khatami and Iran under Rouhani. Ayatollahs Khomeini and Khamenei were weak men imo and always were afraid of extremists and gave in to them always. The current Turkish guy Erdogan is not the best either as a leader.

ireland.man

fire_side wrote: »

the left on boards have a very particular idea of what constitutes liberal or enlightened

the pc left are very different than classic liberals , they are as authoritarian as any right winger

What has Nodin said that you thought would be against the rules if a less biased Mod was in charge?

And what do you mean by liberals anyway?

fire_side

ireland.man wrote: »

What has Nodin said that you thought would be against the rules if a less biased Mod was in charge?

Or is that just rubbish?

nodin is of the same mindset as the vast majority of people who referee on this site

he isnt the only one who is of the same mindset mind you

end of the road

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why are people who live in our very hard earned western civilisation defending those who wish to destroy us?

because its a bunch of over hyped nonsense which is blown out of proportion

twinytwo

ireland.man wrote: »

You mean our liberal, democratic civilisation? The one which promotes freedom of religion and freedom of thought?

The biggest threat to our civilisation, our hard won freedoms, is manufactured fear and the angry and weak-minded who'll dump hundreds of years old rights because the media and governments tell them to fear something (communists, Islam, the Kaiser, etc, etc).

LOL

you need to wake up if you think democracy actually exists.... its precieved democracy.

SEPT 23 1989

end of the road wrote: »

because its a bunch of overhyped nonsense which is blown out of proportion

tell that to the people of France tonight

ireland.man

fire_side wrote: »

nodin is of the same mindset as the vast majority of people who referee on this site

he isnt the only one who is of the same mindset mind you

Fair enough, and I'd say that's true from a certain perspective (for example all ordinary people might appear of the same mindset to an extremist).

ireland.man

twinytwo wrote: »

LOL

you need to wake up if you think democracy actually exists.... its precieved democracy.

Then republican representation, indirect democracy, etc. I'd agree it's a stretch to call what we live in a true democracy.

end of the road

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

You are the prime defender on here of that most vile disgusting faith m8.

no, he was brought up properly and just shows respect and doesn't buy into the fear mongering bull**** unlike the gullible and the weak minded

smcgiff

end of the road wrote: »

i agree, however many who criticize muslims and islam won't critisize other religions

Is it the first of April?

Wurzelbert

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

But its not. Its definitely anti muslim no matter how much you try and pretend otherwise.

what makes you think so?

snowstorm445

ireland.man wrote: »

You'll find the left on Boards are the ones most in line with Western ideals and Enlightenment values.

Anyway, any examples of anti-Enlightenment values in a specific post?

Not really. Enlightenment values are often associated with classical liberalism, which differ significantly from the modern left-wing liberalism that predominates on Boards. They would be more in line with libertarianism than anything else, not something that most on the left today tend to identify with.

Modern liberalism, for example, has largely been the source of political correctness. Classical liberalism, in which modern ideals of freedom of speech are largely rooted, would be fundamentally opposed to such a concept.

Cantremember

end of the road wrote: »

because its a bunch of overhyped nonsense which is blown out of proportion

Lol. Off you go to the Taliban or ISIS man.

end of the road

fire_side wrote: »

islam is a left wing sacred cow

once it makes that list , any sort of behaviour can be rationalised using all sorts of whataboutery and reference to what was done in the name of christianity five hundred years ago

the reality is that while only a small minority of the global population of muslims are engaging in grotesque violence , a majority of the muslim population of the world are a considerable distance apart in mindset from those who subscribe to western values

not one predominantly muslim nation is comparable to europe or the usa

the same US who slaughters its own citizens and even bombed some of them in their own home right on its own soil, or pours in so much gas that fires started, burning any surviving women and children who didn't escape to ashes? i wouldn't want to subscribe to the values of that filthy sespit to be honest

Billy86

ireland.man wrote: »

You mean our liberal, democratic civilisation? The one which promotes freedom of religion and freedom of thought?

The biggest threat to our civilisation, our hard won freedoms, is manufactured fear and the angry and weak-minded who'll dump hundreds of years old rights because the media and governments tell them to fear something (communists, Islam, the Kaiser, etc, etc).

That Kaiser's been bugging me since nineteen dickety two!

martingriff

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Why are people who live in our very hard earned western civilisation defending those who wish to destroy us?

I am not sure many are defending those who are trying to destroy it however to say that all terrorists are Islamist so all Islamist are terrorists is daft in the extreme

ireland.man

snowstorm445 wrote: »

Not really. Enlightenment values are often associated with classical liberalism, which differ significantly from the modern left-wing liberalism that predominates on Boards. They would be more in line with libertarianism than anything else, not something that most on the left today tend to identify with.

Modern liberalism, for example, has largely been the source of political correctness. Classical liberalism, in which modern ideals of freedom of speech are largely rooted, would be fundamentally opposed to such a concept.

That sounds smart! Isn't political correctness a PR term invented/ popularized in the 80's by conservatives? How can you lump that throwaway term with concepts like liberalism and libertarianism!?!

ireland.man

Billy86 wrote: »

That Kaiser's been bugging me since nineteen dickety two!

That rascal Hasn't given us back our word 'twenty;.

yosser hughes

end of the road wrote: »

the same US who slaughters its own citizens and even bombs some of them in their own home in their own country, or pours in so much gas that fires started, burning any surviving women and children who didn't escape to ashes? i wouldn't want to subscribe to the values of that filthy sespit to be honest

Oh jesus!:rolleyes: You really have swallowed the pc, neo liberal koolaid. Get a mind of your own ffs!
Clichéed, ignorant nonsense. It's almost funny:D

Billy86

fire_side wrote: »

its truely bizzare how the pc left has effectively aligned itself with islamists

bar their inherent dislike of the usa and israel , they have not much in common

i cant see ISIS viewing the upcoming marriage equality referendum as the defining issue of this generation

Inform us on you full knowledge of Islam so, and how mot of it's extremist elements have come about. Go on, since you claim to know all about it, let us all know.

ireland.man

yosser hughes wrote: »

Oh jesus!:rolleyes: You really have swallowed the pc, neo liberal koolaid. Get a mind of your own ffs!
Clichéed, ignorant nonsense. It's almost funny:D

'Political correctness', 'koolaid', 'pc', 'social justice warrior'.... let's be honest, there's an awful lot of Americans on Boards right now!

Billy86

fire_side wrote: »

even the most benign of muslims have pretty strong opposition to homosexuality , to deny this is a self delusion

Incorrect, but then again that tends to be the case when people make gross generalisations about an entire group of over one and a half billion people.

yosser hughes

ireland.man wrote: »

'Political correctness', 'koolaid', 'pc', 'social justice warrior'.... let's be honest, there's an awful lot of Americans on Boards right now!

I'm not American. There are a lot of indcotrinated twats on boards though.

end of the road

fire_side wrote: »

the left on boards have a very particular idea of what constitutes liberal or enlightened

the pc left are very different than classic liberals , they are as authoritarian as any right winger

no "pc" left exist, as no "pc" exists. "pc" is just some mythical nonsense for those who can't spout their easily debunked bile to blame for the fact they can't spout unchallenged

yosser hughes

end of the road wrote: »

no "pc" left exist, as no "pc" exists. "pc" is just some mythical nonsense for those who can't spout their easily debunked bile to blame for the fact they can't spout unchallenged

do go on!:D Tell me about he 'mythical' nonsense.

end of the road

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

tell that to the people of France tonight

incidents like what happened in france happen from time to time. nothing to do with "da mudlimz wanna destroy us"

ireland.man

yosser hughes wrote: »

do go on!:D Tell me about he 'mythical' nonsense.

'Twats', 'koolaid', 'pc', emoticons... this is hilarious!

Grand Moff Tarkin

Nodin wrote: »

Not for the first time, let me remind you that I am not your "mate", "m8" or anything of the sort.

I speak up against sectarianism, racism and gross over generalisations, yes.

Only what you consider to be sectarianism racism and gross over generalisations mate. Just because we are on the opposite side of the political spectrum does not mean we can not be civil to each other.

end of the road

yosser hughes wrote: »

Oh jesus!:rolleyes: You really have swallowed the pc, neo liberal koolaid. Get a mind of your own ffs!
Clichéed, ignorant nonsense. It's almost funny:D

i' ve swallowed nothing pc as pc doesn't exist, only in the minds of certain types

Billy86

yosser hughes wrote: »

do go on!:D Tell me about he 'mythical' nonsense.

Care to explain exactly what you mean when you use the term 'PC' out of curiousity?

Wurzelbert

Billy86 wrote: »

Inform us on you full knowledge of Islam so, and how mot of it's extremist elements have come about. Go on, since you claim to know all about it, let us all know.

a look at the history of islam and its contacts and conflicts with the western/christian world should answer all your questions…normally i would expect people posting around here to know the basics, yet that’s clearly not always the case…

SEPT 23 1989

end of the road wrote: »

incidents like what happened in france happen from time to time. nothing to do with "da mudlimz wanna destroy us"

get your head out of the sand ffs

end of the road

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

get your head out of the sand ffs

it was never in the sand.

Defender OF Faith

Wurzelbert wrote: »

a look at the history of islam and its contacts and conflicts with the western/christian world should answer all your questions…normally i would expect people posting around here to know the basics, yet that’s clearly not always the case…

Did you really look at the history of Islam, or are you depending on people ignorance regarding its history to support your point? Care to give examples?

ireland.man

Wurzelbert wrote: »

a look at the history of islam and its contacts and conflicts with the western/christian world should answer all your questions…normally i would expect people posting around here to know the basics, yet that’s clearly not always the case…

Hah! So with one sweep of his fingers he sums up 1300 years of history in one sentence!

Can't wait to explore these ideas more fully in your upcoming pop-up book of archaeology.

Streetwalker

the_monkey wrote: »

Anti Islam IS NOT RACISM !!!!


Islam is not a race!!!

It's about hatred not racism. Some people just don't get that.

Billy86

Wurzelbert wrote: »

a look at the history of islam and its contacts and conflicts with the western/christian world should answer all your questions…normally i would expect people posting around here to know the basics, yet that’s clearly not always the case…

That's not an answer, I want you to tell me the reasons you figure Islamic extremist elements have come about. You can't go claiming to know all of this and that about Islam and then just answer with "history and its contacts and conflicts with the western/christian world" because that wouldn't even qualify as a title for an answer. That's like saying [player x] was the dirtiest footballer ever, and after being asked why, trying to say "his career and his matches and the games he played in".

So give us some actual detail here, an actual valid answer as to why most of Islam's extremist elements have come about. Otherwise you're just going to look like like a Daily Mail reading type who doesn't know anything of what they are talking other than the fact they are scared of it because that's what they've been told to be.

pmasterson95

Has "the illuminati" come up yet? Or is the ufo's to come before then.....its only a matter of time before someone proclaims "the truth is out there"

Billy86

Streetwalker wrote: »

It's about hatred not racism. Some people just don't get that.

I would say it is more about fear than hatred, but then again hatred and fear tend to go hand in hand and After Hours is at times genuinely one of the most incredible examples of this you will see anywhere.

myshirt

I advocate 'The Bacon Sandwich Test' at all borders and airports. If you don't eat the sandwich, you don't get in.

I also advocate 'The Sheet of White Paper Test' at all borders and airports. You hold up the white sheet of paper against the passenger. If the passenger does not match, they do not get in.

Lads, get real. Racism and xenophobia have no place in sane society.

ireland.man

myshirt wrote: »

I advocate 'The Bacon Sandwich Test' at all borders and airports. If you don't eat the sandwich, you don't get in.

I also advocate 'The Sheet of White Paper Test' at all borders and airports. You hold up the white sheet of paper against the passenger. If the passenger does not match, they do not get in.

Lads, get real. Racism and xenophobia have no place in sane society.

But in fairness, people who don't like rashers are savages, regardless of religion or race.

shruikan2553

Is it possible to think that 1.6 billion people aren't the same without thinking that none of them can do no harm?

People here seem to think they go together.

pmasterson95

ireland.man wrote: »

But in fairness, people who don't like rashers are savages, regardless of religion or race.

I'm a white Catholic Sligo-born man and don't like Rashers/Bacon......wtf is going to happen to me?????

Wurzelbert

Defender OF Faith wrote: »

Did you really look at the history of Islam, or are you depending on people ignorance regarding its history to support your point? Care to give examples?

erm, mohammed’s own conquests, looting and plundering like - just another arab warlord - and the spreading of islam by sword and fire for a number of pre-crusade centuries maybe…?

ireland.man

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I'm a white Catholic Sligo-born man and don't like Rashers/Bacon......wtf is going to happen to me?????

You'll be the first up against the wall when my revolution comes.

ireland.man

Wurzelbert wrote: »

erm, mohammed’s own conquests, looting and plundering like - just another arab warlord - and the spreading of islam by sword and fire for a number of pre-crusade centuries maybe…?

You mean the Golden Age of Jewish Culture in Spain under Muslim rule?

DarkyHughes

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

You are the prime defender on here of that most vile disgusting faith m8.

The only thing vile & disgusting on here is your bigoted attitude. M8

pmasterson95

ireland.man wrote: »

You'll be the first up against the wall when my revolution comes.

Ah fuck

Billy86

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Is it possible to think that 1.6 billion people aren't the same without thinking that none of them can do no harm?

People here seem to think they go together.

Not at ll, it's just as foolish to claim that there are no extremists in Islam as it is to claim that there are none in Christianity, or that Islam is an inherently evil religion, or that Christianity is inherently evil. Sadly though, quite a few people just have an incredibly dumbed down version of the world where it's easier to just lump everything together.

myshirt

Of all the bad things you could do in this world... did God really draw the line at Full Irish Breakfasts... is that a non-negotiable... personally, I am not convinced.

But if you do not want to eat bacon, that is fine. I respect that and your entitlement to make that decision.
Plus... means more bacon for the rest of us. Why people get so worked up about this I don't know.