Christians most persecuted and discriminated against worldwide

The_Valeyard

Zebra3 wrote: »

The Old Testament promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

And now Christians are complaining about it.

Talk about chickens coming home to roost. :rolleyes:

You know the Old Testament is about Jewish history and beliefs? Not about Christian faith per say.

RDM_83 again

Zebra3 wrote: »

The Old Testament promotes genocide and ethnic cleansing.

And now Christians are complaining about it.

Talk about chickens coming home to roost. :rolleyes:

Hmmmm Christian means New Testament as well as old, thats a fcuking disgusting comment though lets I guess the Holocaust was worse than this current stuff since Jews exclusively follow the Old Testament :mad:

On the broader point this isn't some new thing thats only being brought up because people want to bash Muslims in the West, its been a process for decades (William Dalrymple talks about it in a book from 97 for example)

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suicide_circus wrote: »

Here on boards we don't like to hear about this kind of discrimination.

especially christianity the religion of ireland, seriously those statistics look absolutely terrifying, whatever the religion of course

Zebra3

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You know the Old Testament is about Jewish history and beliefs? Not about Christian faith per say.

The first five books of the OT are the Torah.

All 46 books of the OT are part of Christianity (RC Church anyway).

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Hmmmm Christian means New Testament as well as old, thats a fcuking disgusting comment though lets I guess the Holocaust was worse than this current stuff since Jews exclusively follow the Old Testament :mad:

On the broader point this isn't some new thing thats only being brought up because people want to bash Muslims in the West, its been a process for decades (William Dalrymple talks about it in a book from 97 for example)

I'm fully aware Christianity means the NT as well as the OT, but that doesn't change the fact that Christianity promotes genocide, slavery, rape, incest and ethnic cleansing.

And as I said above, Judaism is not based on the OT, but just the first five books of it, the Torah.

So I didn't make any disgusting comment. I stated facts. You want disgusting comments, read up the Old Testament.

RDM_83 again

Zebra3 wrote: »

And as I said above, Judaism is not based on the OT, but just the first five books of it, the Torah.

So I didn't make any disgusting comment. I stated facts. You want disgusting comments, read up the Old Testament.

I'm fairly certain that a lot of the comments your talking about are from Leviticus and Exodus (christian names I know), so do you think that the Holocaust was just the chicken coming home to roost for the Jews?

And which Christian church has ever actually promoted incest and slavery?

Zebra3

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I'm fairly certain that a lot of the comments your talking about are from Leviticus and Exodus (christian names I know), so do you think that the Holocaust was just the chicken coming home to roost for the Jews?

And which Christian church has ever actually promoted incest and slavery?

Any Christian church that has the OT as part of its teachings promotes incest and slavery (along with plenty of other evil crimes).

There's even plenty of advice in the NT for Christian slave owners on how to treat their slaves. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_Bible

Abraham getting stuck in to his half-sister Sarah didn't seem to cause much consternation on the incest side of things.

As for "the Holocaust", I assume you are referring to the Nazi Holocaust of which there was a huge range of victims from different racial, religious and political backgrounds. If any of those espoused views promoting genocide, well then yes, it is quite frankly a bit rich complaining about it then when it happens.

CiDeRmAn

Persecution on any individual or group due to their race, color, creed or sexual orientation is wrong and shouldn't happen, including Christians.

And the article isn't exclusively about groups persecuted in the middle east for being Christian.

ireland.man

crockholm wrote: »

From what I have been told about the middle east,they are being targeted for being christian,but also it is just used by covetous neighbours to misappropriate the family's estate and possessions in many cases.

Most Christian 'martyrs' die in inter-communal violence related to a whole host of social and political factors. 90% of them die at the hands of other Christian sects. North Korea is probably the most intense persecutor of Christians in the world right now.

But watch this thread and you'll see it's only a flimsy excuse to talk about Islam, Muslims and Arabs.

fire_side

ireland.man wrote: »

Most Christian 'martyrs' die in inter-communal violence related to a whole host of social and political factors. 90% of them die at the hands of other Christian sects. North Korea is probably the most intense persecutor of Christians in the world right now.

But watch this thread and you'll see it's only a flimsy excuse to talk about Islam, Muslims and Arabs.

and how are you so certain of other peoples motives ?

ireland.man

fire_side wrote: »

and how are you so certain of other peoples motives ?

Fair enough, but will you join me in laughing when the majority of posts descend into posts about Muslims and Islam?

I'll be so surprised if people here end up debating the solutions to Christian massacres in the Congo and how France is causing untold damage to the lives of Christians...

Clandestine

I think a concept like this is hard to grasp for most people because we live in a country where Christians and their denominations are not discriminated against as such. People are more likely to trust what they see with their own eyes.

crockholm

ireland.man wrote: »

Most Christian 'martyrs' die in inter-communal violence related to a whole host of social and political factors. 90% of them die at the hands of other Christian sects. North Korea is probably the most intense persecutor of Christians in the world right now.

But watch this thread and you'll see it's only a flimsy excuse to talk about Islam, Muslims and Arabs.

I had a Quick scan through a website that deals with xtian persecution (worldwatchlist.us) and while NK does indeed top the list,11 of the 14 countries mentioned in the "extreme persecution " category are indeed muslim majority countries. 7 of 13 of "severly persecuted" are Muslim majority, and 17 of 23 of the "moderately persecuted" countries are MM.

The Point can also be made that not many places on the same list have decent Human rights records and that the ordinary Hassan on the street gets the stytty end of the stick too-but please don't lessen the harships/discrimination/fear felt by many christians in those countries because you may fear that it breeds islamophobia.

ireland.man

crockholm wrote: »

I had a Quick scan through a website that deals with xtian persecution (worldwatchlist.us) and while NK does indeed top the list,11 of the 14 countries mentioned in the "extreme persecution " category are indeed muslim majority countries. 7 of 13 of "severly persecuted" are Muslim majority, and 17 of 23 of the "moderately persecuted" countries are MM.

The Point can also be made that not many places on the same list have decent Human rights records and that the ordinary Hassan on the street gets the stytty end of the stick too-but please don't lessen the harships/discrimination/fear felt by many christians in those countries because you may fear that it breeds islamophobia.

Thanks for the research. I never played down the experiences of Christians in the ME. Instead I tried to expand the focus onto all Christians. In fact the majority of those martyrs (made so by the Vatican) each year are found in one country, DR Congo. The most repressive regime towards christians is N. Korea.

It's wrong to score points by quantifying repression but that's the entire reason this thread exists and it's offensive. It's wrong to use Christians suffering for a political game.

GalwayGuitar

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

Guess again, you have only 1 more

And yet you said people who believe in god deserved to be persecuted.

Molester Stallone II

GalwayGuitar wrote: »

And yet you said people who believe in god deserved to be persecuted.

Wrong again, but thanks for playing

GalwayGuitar

Molester Stallone II wrote: »

Wrong again, but thanks for playing

But that's what you said...

Micky Dolenz

Live and let live, not a hard thing to live by.

SeanW

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

This thread reminds me of the emergent groups in the US campaigning for the rights of white men.
Ffs.
http://news.mensactivism.org

Funny, I reviewed that site (albeit quickly) and I didn't see anything about "white" men, nor indeed anything racial about it at all.

So kudos for starting your post with a scurrilous bold faced lie about race! :rolleyes:

Secondly, are you suggesting that because Christians did bad things in the past, (like the Crusades and the empires) that large scale persecution of people that where not involved (e.g. Christians outside Europe and the US) is OK?

Likewise, are you saying that the large scale demonisation of men by the Feminist-Left (see the University of Virgina false rape story that is the lead items on their site right now) with its claims of "rape culture" that are fictitious, based on lies and double standards, and "male privilege" (that was left behind in the 20th century) are things men should not be concerned about?

The groups with the power and influence will always seek to make themselves the underdog

Funny, isn't that exactly what the Feminist-Left are doing (a powerful group of hatemongers, claiming to represent a group that are doing well (women)) yet always screaming about victimhood, "rape culture" and "patriarchy?"
Like Islamists and their leftist sympathisers, Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion yet we never stop hearing about poor Palestinians and Islamophobia etc.