i didnt go to Mass!

cloud493

It was a pretty good mass. Good atmosphere, good crowd. Shame it was so cold, but whatever.

RobertKK

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Why would anyone go to mass on Santas birthday ?

Santa is based on St Nicholas, his feast day is December 6th. St Nicholas gave presents to the poor at Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus...

Like the run up to Christmas for retailers, Christmas is when the church rakes in a lot of cash as they are usually packed to the rafters with the regulars and a majority of seasonal church goers.
Am sure that every year the priests spend lots of time rehearsing for the Christmas masses in the hope of getting a return on their investment, not just the cash on the day but the vain hope of getting some repeat business from it.

Cantremember

RobertKK wrote: »

But how can you say the person is wrong when you weren't there to see.

You are basically saying anyone who says anything like a church was packed is telling lies...and you base it on no evidence.
Which means you have based it on your own ignorance of the facts.

Basically I didn't say anything like that. Basically. Like. You know. Basically. Genuinely.

The_Valeyard

Cantremember wrote: »

The attempt at CPR for the RCC on boards continues. Laughable.

Your post of scepticism & tin pot theory is just disgusting. But happy Christmas to you anyhow.

feargale

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Christmas eve and I never went to Mass. Must be the first year ever. Am not religious and am probably an atheist as don't actuallgy believe in a God.
However being in Ireland and having a religious grandmother who brought my family up, it's kind of a traditional more than anything else.
Did you go or did you slip it. Is it even relevant anymore.

I won't be going on the "ran" tomorrow, and I'm making a big song and dance about it. How dare others enjoy something that doesn't interest me?

Cantremember

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Your post of scepticism & tin pot theory is just disgusting. But happy Christmas to you anyhow.

Ah here. A good mass by definition is one where a validly ordained minister who has through some supernatural method taken on the character of a first century CE man called Jesus confects the bread and wine so that they really, not metaphorically, become the body and blood of said first century man and are consumed by the faithful as such. This sacrifice is a recapitulation of the atonement sacrifice of God the son to God the father at Calvary for the sins of humanity so that the gates of heaven could be reopened to the dead. All the time God the father God the son and God the Holy Spirit are one person. And that is what you need to write here when you are talking about a good mass. But then the clever clergy realised years ago that the only chance they had was when they didn't talk about the alleged deity at all. I don't wish you a happy or unhappy Christmas.

gctest50

RobertKK wrote: »

Santa is based on St Nicholas, his feast day is December 6th. St Nicholas gave presents to the poor at Christmas to celebrate the birth of Jesus...

and all that was borrowed from Yule

Until Coca-cola sorted him out, Santa was all over the shop - sometimes tall n thin, sometimes dressed up in all sorts

https://www.google.ie/search?q=haddon+Sundblom

as we all know coca-cola > jesus

The_Valeyard

gctest50 wrote: »

and all that was borrowed from Yule

Until Coca-cola sorted him out, Santa was all over the shop - sometimes tall n thin, sometimes dressed up in all sorts

https://www.google.ie/search?q=haddon+Sundblom

as we all know coca-cola > jesus

Nope.
All false .

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp

Areyouwell

Cantremember wrote: »

The attempt at CPR for the RCC on boards continues. Laughable.

Oh give it a bloody rest ffs. I haven't gone to Mass it probably 20+ years, but I don't believe is sniping from my soapbox at people who do. There's a sickening element to Atheism which is as bad as the RC Church in its heyday. Always yapping, always pontificating and trying to force it's beliefs down our throats. So you don't believe in religion or whatever, so ****ing what? Now get over yourself, maybe grow up and have the maturity to respect those who have views that differ from yours.

Cantremember

Areyouwell wrote: »

Oh give it a bloody rest ffs. I haven't gone to Mass it probably 20+ years, but I don't believe is sniping from my soapbox at people who do. There's a sickening element to Atheism which is as bad as the RC Church in its heyday. Always yapping, always pontificating and trying to force it's beliefs down our throats. So you don't believe in religion or whatever, so ****ing what? Now get over yourself, maybe grow up and have the maturity to respect those who have views that differ from yours.

Leaving aside the personalised abuse element of your contribution what is left? Maturity might also mean recognising that views based in magical understanding of life have had their day. And people who promote them should be made to state those beliefs clearly. Maturity might mean also recognising that the freedom to live my life was fought for against the bitter and personalised abuse and opposition of those who hold those beliefs and imposed them through state law. Much as they still do in some areas of life here. So, leaving aside your abuse, what's left? Nothing.

mrsbyrne

Areyouwell wrote: »

Oh give it a bloody rest ffs. I haven't gone to Mass it probably 20+ years, but I don't believe is sniping from my soapbox at people who do. There's a sickening element to Atheism which is as bad as the RC Church in its heyday. Always yapping, always pontificating and trying to force it's beliefs down our throats. So you don't believe in religion or whatever, so ****ing what? Now get over yourself, maybe grow up and have the maturity to respect those who have views that differ from yours.

This x 1000. Go back to memorizing your Dawkins quotes so you can practice reciting them in your best cleverer than you voice.

Cantremember

mrsbyrne wrote: »

This x 1000. Go back to memorizing your Dawkins quotes so you can practice reciting them in your best cleverer than you voice.

See above. P.S. I haven't read Dawkins. But don't let facts get in the way of your bias.

feargale

Areyouwell wrote: »

Oh give it a bloody rest ffs. I haven't gone to Mass it probably 20+ years, but I don't believe is sniping from my soapbox at people who do. There's a sickening element to Atheism which is as bad as the RC Church in its heyday. Always yapping, always pontificating and trying to force it's beliefs down our throats. So you don't believe in religion or whatever, so ****ing what? Now get over yourself, maybe grow up and have the maturity to respect those who have views that differ from yours.

Well said, Areyouwell. About 30+ years in my case. But the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses impinge less on my life than these Latter Day A&A Evangelists. Yes, the RCChurch was intolerant in its heyday, but some people have learned nothing from that.

Cantremember

feargale wrote: »

Well said, Areyouwell. About 30+ years in my case. But the Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses impinge less on my life than these Latter Day A&A Evangelists. Yes, the RCChurch was intolerant in its heyday, but some people have learned nothing from that.

Please explain how I am being intolerant by pointing out the RCC beliefs about its own sacrament??? What I learned from the intolerance of the RCC is never again to be silenced by it or its groupthink.

gctest50

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Nope.
All false .

http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/santa/cocacola.asp

tell coca-cola

http://www.coca-cola.ie/faq/rumours/is-it-true-santa-is-red-because-of-coca-cola.html

The_Valeyard

gctest50 wrote: »

tell coca-cola

http://www.coca-cola.ie/faq/rumours/is-it-true-santa-is-red-because-of-coca-cola.html

Ahh sure they would probably take the credit for anything popular to increase sales.

Cantremember

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Ahh sure they would probably take the credit for anything popular to increase sales.

They wouldn't be the only ones now would they.

Ghost Buster

The Longford Cathedral would be delighted to have you. They need to keep numbers up to justify 30,000 000 on a barely attended building.

I went but had no interest at all, it was just a series of stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, kneel stand up, sit down, stand up, shake hands, kneel stand up, sit down, go home!

Only went to keep the peace. :rolleyes:

Filmer Paradise

Areyouwell wrote: »

Oh give it a bloody rest ffs. I haven't gone to Mass it probably 20+ years, but I don't believe is sniping from my soapbox at people who do. There's a sickening element to Atheism which is as bad as the RC Church in its heyday. Always yapping, always pontificating and trying to force it's beliefs down our throats. So you don't believe in religion or whatever, so ****ing what? Now get over yourself, maybe grow up and have the maturity to respect those who have views that differ from yours.

Good post.

Went with the Wife & kids. Not too long a ceremoney.

I'm not a Holey Joe by any means, but things like this can bring comminities together.

The kids meet each other & parents that might not otherwise meet, have a chat.

Families meet up & no matter how bad things are, have a word with each other.

Also, we're lucky enough to have a decent Parish Priest that works very hard for the Parish despite age/health issues.

Can't understand how he puts up with all the sh1te TBH.

Of course...........ye'll always have the aul spoilsports who say 'down with this sort of thing'.

But Hey.

feargale

Cantremember wrote: »

Please explain how I am being intolerant by pointing out the RCC beliefs about its own sacrament??? What I learned from the intolerance of the RCC is never again to be silenced by it or its groupthink.

You want me to engage in theological disputation with you? There's a Muslim fundamentalist on another thread whose response to every accusation is a reference to the Quran. It's so long since I learned anything about sacraments you'd snooker me while all the red balls were still on the table. Big win for you. Heartiest congratulations.
I couldn't give a fiddlers' what the RCC Church says about sacraments. Now to the point: For your Christian neighbours and many others besides this is their biggest or near biggest day of the year, not a day of sorrow or penance like Good Friday, but a day of joy and fellowship and love and peace, and a little self indulgence too. And some of you want to p1ss on their parade. Some neighbours!

kissmequick

Wompa1 wrote: »

Other than funerals or weddings. I don't think I've been to a mass since I was an altar boy

You're a guy?!? :pac: I always thought you were a girl!


Went to Midnight Mass in Knock last year. Didn't go this year but would like to go to it again. Mass is boring, sit down trying not to cough or choke. Stand up, sit down. Stand up, kneel down. Stand up, sit down. Stand up, make a fist on yer chest or try not to fall over that annoying Ledge yoke that ya don't know whether to stand on top of or kick it outta yer way when the person from ten seats over decides to shake yer hand. Then Gangnam Style / Hokey-Pokey / shuffle like a penguin up and down to and from the Altar. Kneel down again then go home.

Would like if there was something else on for the evening other than just Mass. Havn't been to a Carol Service before, must go to one next year. But yeah a couple of hours of decent-sounding-Carol-Singers, few balloons in the sky or faffing about with Lanterns. Would like something like that for the evening instead of Mass.

Cantremember

feargale wrote: »

You want me to engage in theological disputation with you? There's a Muslim fundamentalist on another thread whose response to every accusation is a reference to the Quran. It's so long since I learned anything about sacraments you'd snooker me while all the red balls were still on the table. Big win for you. Heartiest congratulations.
I couldn't give a fiddlers' what the RCC Church says about sacraments. Now to the point: For your Christian neighbours and many others besides this is their biggest or near biggest day of the year, not a day of sorrow or penance like Good Friday, but a day of joy and fellowship and love and peace, and a little self indulgence too. And some of you want to p1ss on their parade. Some neighbours!

Easy win. You simply missed the point of what I said about the "good mass". I simply pointed out what they believe. And they got cross. RCC has done far worse to people "than piss on their parade ". But let's not mention the war.

PopePalpatine

Areyouwell wrote: »

So you don't believe in religion or whatever, so ****ing what? Now get over yourself, maybe grow up and have the maturity to respect those who have views that differ from yours.

As if you've ever had to lie about your religion to get your kids into a school.

Filmer Paradise

Cantremember wrote: »

Easy win. You simply missed the point of what I said about the "good mass". I simply pointed out what they believe. And they got cross. RCC has done far worse to people "than piss on their parade ". But let's not mention the war.

You're loss. If you don't believe in anything.........well you'll believe in any auld sh1te.

I wouldn't be a big fan of the GAA either, but I can see that my kids get a lot out of it. Therefore, I support it bigtime..

Rakes of people working for the common good. What's not to like?

Good luck to ya.

Choochtown

These threads are a macabre combination of hilarity and sadness.

Simply by pointing out the recognised doctrine of the Catholic faith someone can be lambasted. Why is that? Embarrassment? Shame? Why the anger?

What exactly has Cantremember posted that people find so offensive?

No one has questioned your right to believe what you want.

But if you must still frequent the buildings of and finance one of the richest businesses in the world who have been proven from the very top to protect and harbour known child abusers please expect a little bit of flack.

RobertKK

Choochtown wrote: »

These threads are a macabre combination of hilarity and sadness.

Simply by pointing out the recognised doctrine of the Catholic faith someone can be lambasted. Why is that? Embarrassment? Shame? Why the anger?

What exactly has Cantremember posted that people find so offensive?

No one has questioned your right to believe what you want.

But if you must still frequent the buildings of and finance one of the richest businesses in the world who have been proven from the very top to protect and harbour known child abusers please expect a little bit of flack.

He in an around way called a person a liar for saying the church was packed.

People go to church to worship God, something you failed to mention in your post.

P_1

Deleted User wrote: »

I went but had no interest at all, it was just a series of stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, kneel stand up, sit down, stand up, shake hands, kneel stand up, sit down, go home!

Only went to keep the peace. :rolleyes:

Decent enough workout to assuage any potential guilt over the carb overload that is the christmas dinner binge all the same.

Every cloud and all that...

sonofenoch

People who go to mass only at Christmas piss me off no end....I live right opposite a church, I never go to mass it means nothing to me but seeing cars roll up at Christmas that are never there every other Sunday of the year gets my goat up, hypocrites of the highest order

Cantremember

RobertKK wrote: »

He in an around way called a person a liar for saying the church was packed.

People go to church to worship God, something you failed to mention in your post.

No I didn't. That's you making stuff up.

Choochtown

RobertKK wrote: »

He in an around way called a person a liar for saying the church was packed.

People go to church to worship God, something you failed to mention in your post.

Surely Christians believe that God is everywhere? He is easily accessible through prayer? I don't understand how anyone would feel the need to finance that organisation in order to communicate or feel connected to their god. I have read back through the posts and at no stage has Cantremember insulted anyone's beliefs.

feargale

Cantremember wrote: »

Easy win. You simply missed the point of what I said about the "good mass". I simply pointed out what they believe. And they got cross. RCC has done far worse to people "than piss on their parade ". But let's not mention the war.

Exactly my point. We'll get revenge. Nothing learned. Long live Hoxha!

RobertKK

RobertKK wrote: »

He in an around way called a person a liar for saying the church was packed.

People go to church to worship God, something you failed to mention in your post.

Ah now, I think saying everyone goes to Mass at Christmas to worship God is a fair bit of exaggerating. It's mostly for show and sure the kids are still being indoctrinated (? Brainwashed).

RobertKK

Cantremember wrote: »

No I didn't. That's you making stuff up.

A CPR attempt for the RCC is what you called a post that said the church was packed and you finished your post with the word 'laughable' which implied the truth was not being told.

RobertKK

Choochtown wrote: »

Surely Christians believe that God is everywhere? He is easily accessible through prayer? I don't understand how anyone would feel the need to finance that organisation in order to communicate or feel connected to their god. I have read back through the posts and at no stage has Cantremember insulted anyone's beliefs.

You can't receive the sacrament of the Eucharist at home. The body and blood of Christ.
I didn't say he insulted anyone's belief you have tried though.

Filmer Paradise

Haven't followed this thread TBH, there's some seriously deluded & fooked up people posting on here.

All hail the sheeple who don't believe in this country & it's traditions.

Muppets........

Choochtown

RobertKK wrote: »

A CPR attempt for the RCC is what you called a post that said the church was packed and you finished your post with the word 'laughable' which implied the truth was not being told.

Take any multi-million euro business. Microsoft? Coca-Cola? Now imagine that from the very top, they were found to have protected and harboured known child sex offenders. Not only that, but it was company policy to obstruct anyone who investigated these sickening, disgusting crimes.

Now imagine last night in Ireland the very same company did a roaring trade.

I suggest that "laughable" is quite a mild word to be using.

RobertKK

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah now, I think saying everyone goes to Mass at Christmas to worship God is a fair bit of exaggerating. It's mostly for show and sure the kids are still being indoctrinated (? Brainwashed).

Well I didn't say everyone.
But I was replying to a hostile post where a person mentioned priests who abused, as if people should abandon their faith over that when it is God one worships not the clergy. He said people should expect flack over the abuse which totally misses the point why people go to church, and it us ignorant to judge all people by using the worse to judge all. There was no distinction made between good priests and the evil abusers.

RobertKK

Choochtown wrote: »

Take any multi-million euro business. Microsoft? Coca-Cola? Now imagine that from the very top, they were found to have protected and harboured known child sex offenders. Not only that, but it was company policy to obstruct anyone who investigated these sickening, disgusting crimes.

Now imagine last night in Ireland the very same company did a roaring trade.

I suggest that "laughable" is quite a mild word to be using.

There you go again.
My previous post summed you up.

Your analogy is like there is a food scare so you stop eating giving you trust no food product.

Most people were not going to abandon their relationship with God based on the actions of humans.

Amirani

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

All hail the sheeple who don't believe in this country & it's traditions.

Muppets........

Oh dear.

Filmer Paradise

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Oh dear.

Nice.

Can you expand upon that?

I explained as to why I went to mass earlier in this thread.

You gwan & be the 'cool lad in the classroom' & explain your position.

In your own time....

Amirani

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Nice.

Can you expand upon that?

I explained as to why I went to mass earlier in this thread.

You gwan & be the 'cool lad in the classroom' & explain your position.

In your own time....

Not particularly in the mood for a large debate after a big Christmas feed and a couple of bottles of wine.

Found it quite bizarre that you'd describe people who choose not to blindly following traditions as sheeple. I'm not sure you could've picked a worse description, it's inherently contradictory.

As far as calling them muppets for doing so? Well that says a lot about you really.

Cantremember

RobertKK wrote: »

A CPR attempt for the RCC is what you called a post that said the church was packed and you finished your post with the word 'laughable' which implied the truth was not being told.

To you. It obviously hit a nerve. You need to consider the other possibility: that people pointing out that churches were packed today might be trying to promote a view that religion is returning to the position of social dominance it once had. Such an attempt would be laughable. You didn't see that of course. I pointed out that in RCC doctrine there is no such thing as a good mass. I pointed out what that doctrine is. And I implied that the majority of people at mass today had no grasp of that doctrine and if they did, I believe, the majority would reject it. For doing this there has been the usual tirade of abuse and name calling thrown at me. People have posted about the sense of community: just think about those whose humanity isn't deemed acceptable to that community of faith, and I won't even mention the wars. Finally, The church will never be allowed to abuse a position of social dominance and orchestrated groupthink again. People will not be silent or silenced. I hope when a mod reviews the personalised abuse thrown at me they might, as any fair minded person will see, that I haven't retaliated. Peace to people of good will.

Choochtown

RobertKK wrote: »

There you go again.
My previous post summed you up.

Your analogy is like there is a food scare so you stop eating giving you trust no food product.

Most people were not going to abandon their relationship with God based on the actions of humans.

I absolutely respect your right to believe what you believe.

However you support and finance a morally corrupt multi-million euro industry.

Could you not continue your beliefs and cut ties with them? Would your relationship with your god really suffer? Is it really that weak?

P_1

Bloody religion.

Some folk enjoy going to mass as often as possible

Others go for the big ticket occasions, perhaps for nostalgia, perhaps to keep the peace

Others would rather not go next or near the place

The key is that nobody is really forcing anybody else to do anything they don't want to do, no sense in tearing each other's heads off over it

RobertKK

Cantremember wrote: »

To you. It obviously hit a nerve. You need to consider the other possibility: that people pointing out that churches were packed today might be trying to promote a view that religion is returning to the position of social dominance it once had. Such an attempt would be laughable. You didn't see that of course. I pointed out that in RCC doctrine there is no such thing as a good mass. I pointed out what that doctrine is. And I implied that the majority of people at mass today had no grasp of that doctrine and if they did, I believe, the majority would reject it. For doing this there has been the usual tirade of abuse and name calling thrown at me. People have posted about the sense of community: just think about those whose humanity isn't deemed acceptable to that community of faith, and I won't even mention the wars. Finally, The church will never be allowed to abuse a position of social dominance and orchestrated groupthink again. People will not be silent or silenced. I hope when a mod reviews the personalised abuse thrown at me they might, as any fair minded person will see, that I haven't retaliated. Peace to people of good will.

No one was saying the church was returning to a position of social dominance.
Saying the church was packed is just staring what one observed. It didn't mean anything more.
Go to church at Easter you see the same thing.
Go the end of January for example you won't see it.
You jumped to conclusions based on what is the norm every year.


You talk about groupthink yet we see that on boards most days with the hostility some have towards religion and/or the Catholic Church.

Filmer Paradise

Diego Simeone wrote: »

Not particularly in the mood for a large debate after a big Christmas feed and a couple of bottles of wine.

Found it quite bizarre that you'd describe people who choose not to blindly following traditions as sheeple. I'm not sure you could've picked a worse description, it's inherently contradictory.

Aye. Thought as much.

You wandered into the thread with the same state of mind & thought........

'I the intellectual that will teach the Yokels some manners'. 'I'm a moderater & I'll kick ass.'

Go for it buddy.

Amirani

Filmer Paradise wrote: »

Aye. Thought as much.

You wandered into the thread with the same state of mind & thought........

'I the intellectual that will teach the Yokels some manners'. 'I'm a moderater & I'll kick ass.'

Go for it..

Em, okay. That's exactly what happened...

RobertKK

P_1 wrote: »

Bloody religion.

Some folk enjoy going to mass as often as possible

Others go for the big ticket occasions, perhaps for nostalgia, perhaps to keep the peace

Others would rather not go next or near the place

The key is that nobody is really forcing anybody else to do anything they don't want to do, no sense in tearing each other's heads off over it

Bloody religion and bloody anti-religion...to be fair to all...