Soccer Forum Premier League Era Draft Game Thread

LuckyLloyd

bucketybuck wrote: »

Can I just say, when I vote I will be judging both teams on their merits and not on who the manager is, and it would never occur to me to do otherwise.

Yep! Anything else would be a bit sad!

LuckyLloyd

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

So to clear things up we've to judge players that have had one excellent season higher than a player that has 5/6 very good seasons. So if you fill your team with one season wonders you should win.

So we're not judging who's the best Premier League players as such.

This is the crux of it for me.

But I think everyone should proceed and we shake it out at the end. When you're looking at complete 11s how they fit together and match up will be huge and the exact rating of each player will be minimised in importance.

Dirty Steve

I'd just like to note that my votes can be bought for a reasonable price.

Say, a pint and a packet of crisps...

Donnielighto

Oranage2 wrote: »

There's a player out there who scored the same amount of goals in a season as Henrys highest, does that mean I'm suppose to judge them equally?

No, it's stupid.

It isnt all about goals. and whether it's stupid or not you should have raised concerns before the draft rather than waiting till now?

Donnielighto

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

So to clear things up we've to judge players that have had one excellent season higher than a player that has 5/6 very good seasons. So if you fill your team with one season wonders you should win.

So we're not judging who's the best Premier League players as such.

Not wholely, it's in the post I linked, 2 great seasons trumps 3/4 very good seasons. It isn't black and white but focus is on the peak.

Donnielighto

Oranage2 wrote: »

Don't worry I'll be voting, also to let know, managers likeability will heavily feature in my decision!

Childish

Oranage2 wrote: »

I'd be surprised if people didn't take points off if they didn't like the poster, welcome to the real world.

And my criteria would have someone scoring 18 goals over 3 seasons ahead of a guy scoring 20 goals once if both players are of similar ability.

You do realise why the way of measuring players was discussed before the draft, because it will have impacted on how players were picked. To just land in and say you dont care about that, call it stupid and you'll vote on your own et of criteria is completely arrogant.

Oranage2

Donnielihto wrote: »

Childsh



You do realise why the way of measuring players ws discussed before the draft, because it will have impacted on how players were picked. To just land in and say you dont care about that, call it stupid and you'll vote on your own et of criteria is completely arrogant.

I never said I didn't care about original criteria, I said I'd use it as a guideline, my criteria was how good a player Actually was when he was in the Prem, so I would rate Klinesman very high even though he only had one season.

Another example I would rate Henry higher than Suarez because Henry did it for longer even though Suarez scored more goals in a single season.

I take each player on their own merits. I didn't raise any concerns because I wasn't expecting people to follow the original criteria to the letter, I thought there was a little wiggle room.

Donnielighto

Oranage2 wrote: »

I never said I didn't care about original criteria, I said I'd use it as a guideline, my criteria was how good a player Actually was when he was in the Prem, so I would rate Klinesman very high even though he only had one season.

Another example I would rate Henry higher than Suarez because Henry did it for longer even though Suarez scored more goals in a single season.

I take each player on their own merits. I didn't raise any concerns because I wasn't expecting people to follow the original criteria to the letter, I thought there was a little wiggle room.

There is wiggle room. Focus is on peaks (taken by performances over a season) but taking overall impact into account. One of them takes priority.

You did say you would be using your own criteria and voting based on manager likeability in fairness.

Liam O

With so called one season wonders their ability becomes apparent in their subsequent career so they wont be judged on the season they banged in a few in the PL in an otherwise mediocre career. But with Klinsmann and hopefully Sturridge, they have shown through their careers, Sturridge so far, that these weren't fluke seasons and that their goals per game can back up that this is their quality so they can be judged up against players with longevity greater than theirs.

Like someone says, then you have Cole over Suarez and Cole being my original goalscoring hero except for in season review videos on some cold day in hell I might argue that but it's just not going to happen.

Donnielighto

Picked for bucketybuck as he's away. Pm sent to ferris bueller.

Oranage2

Donnielighto wrote: »

There is wiggle room. Focus is on peaks (taken by performances over a season) but taking overall impact into account. One of them takes priority.

You did say you would be using your own criteria and voting based on manager likeability in fairness.

Okay I did say that, the other poster riled me up and I said some things I would like to take back but I can't.

Liam O wrote: »

With so called one season wonders their ability becomes apparent in their subsequent career so they wont be judged on the season they banged in a few in the PL in an otherwise mediocre career. But with Klinsmann and hopefully Sturridge, they have shown through their careers, Sturridge so far, that these weren't fluke seasons and that their goals per game can back up that this is their quality so they can be judged up against players with longevity greater than theirs.

Like someone says, then you have Cole over Suarez and Cole being my original goalscoring hero except for in season review videos on some cold day in hell I might argue that but it's just not going to happen.

I want to comment so hard on sturridge but for the thread I think it's best to not :pac:

keane2097

Sagna is a really excellent pick at this stage but can think of a lot of players I'd take ahead of Wilshere. He's very average.

Liam O

Oranage2 wrote: »

Okay I did say that, the other poster riled me up and I said some things I would like to take back but I can't.



I want to comment so hard on sturridge but for the thread I think it's best to not :pac:

Work away, like it or not he has 31 goals in the last 43 PL games that count for this game. Find me someone with a better record than that at this stage there.

But naturally don't post them on the thread...

Donnielighto

Oranage2 wrote: »

Okay I did say that, the other poster riled me up and I said some things I would like to take back but I can't.



I want to comment so hard on sturridge but for the thread I think it's best to not :pac:

That's fair enough so, I wont press it.

Donnielighto

Liam O wrote: »

Work away, like it or not he has 31 goals in the last 43 PL games that count for this game. Find me someone with a better record than that at this stage there.

But naturally don't post them on the thread...

He's had 2 good seasons, one with bolton and one with pool. HE's not a bad pick but he isn't top tier. His goals for pool came in a team that was very attacking and had suarez to distract the opposition. One interesting thing is that around april 22nd last season I think it was sturridges goals and assists had won more points for pool than suarez as he tended to get equalizers or the goal that put them ahead while the uruguayan got a lot of goals and assists that put liverpool 2 or 3 up.

SlickRic

keane2097 wrote: »

Sagna is a really excellent pick at this stage but can think of a lot of players I'd take ahead of Wilshere. He's very average.

Safe to say I don't wholly agree!

I need someone who can provide steel AND drive forward. He can do that.

A lot of the midfield options I see don't offer quite the same things, although of course I could be missing some.

Oranage2

SherlockWatson wrote: »

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Anyway. I can't be arsed responding any further, if you don't understand it now, you never will, goodnight.

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keane2097

SlickRic wrote: »

Safe to say I don't wholly agree!

I need someone who can provide steel AND drive forward. He can do that.

A lot of the midfield options I see don't offer quite the same things, although of course I could be missing some.

If you want someone who can masquerade as an all rounder he might hoodwink a few votes for you from the unwashed I suppose :pac:

Liam O

Donnielighto wrote: »

He's had 2 good seasons, one with bolton and one with pool. HE's not a bad pick but he isn't top tier. His goals for pool came in a team that was very attacking and had suarez to distract the opposition. One interesting thing is that around april 22nd last season I think it was sturridges goals and assists had won more points for pool than suarez as he tended to get equalizers or the goal that put them ahead while the uruguayan got a lot of goals and assists that put liverpool 2 or 3 up.

I think at this stage he's done more than Klinsmann. Maybe not shown he's a better player but in terms of achievements in the PL he's above him. Since he left Chelsea for Bolton he has a .70 goal per game ratio and that's before you take his good assist record into account. Liverpool didn't really get going until he came back last season so maybe it was a case of Suarez needing him as much as he needed Suarez.

This conversation makes me feel dirty having to defend Liverpool players but I guess this is going to be the overarching "weakness" that people will bring up against my team.

Donnielighto

SherlockWatson wrote: »

By telling you the rules?

Get over yourself tbh.

Leave it off, it was late and he's cleared up that he'll he using a reasonable way of judging.

Donnielighto

Liam O wrote: »

I think at this stage he's done more than Klinsmann. Maybe not shown he's a better player but in terms of achievements in the PL he's above him. Since he left Chelsea for Bolton he has a .70 goal per game ratio and that's before you take his good assist record into account. Liverpool didn't really get going until he came back last season so maybe it was a case of Suarez needing him as much as he needed Suarez.

This conversation makes me feel dirty having to defend Liverpool players but I guess this is going to be the overarching "weakness" that people will bring up against my team.

Die traitor

Liam O

Almost went for Riise over Winterburn but Nigel's previous relationship with Overmars swung it for me.

Donnielighto

Edit: nvm

Ferris_Bueller

And I would have chosen Winterburn if he was still available, Riise not a bad second choice. Really was struggling to think of another good left back apart from him. PM'd Sherlock after my pick.

Donnielighto

SlickRic wrote: »

Safe to say I don't wholly agree!

I need someone who can provide steel AND drive forward. He can do that.

A lot of the midfield options I see don't offer quite the same things, although of course I could be missing some.

Wilshere is fine but you'll only get him for one game in the draft and then he's crocked :pac:

Liam O

Donnielighto wrote: »

Edit: nvm

Are not in my post

Donnielighto

Liam O wrote: »

Are not in my post

Don't know what you're talking about :pac:

IncognitoMan

Liam O wrote: »

Almost went for Riise over Winterburn but Nigel's previous relationship with Overmars swung it for me.

I hate you. I was waiting for Winterburn to get me 3/4 of that arsenal back line.

Oranage2

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

And I would have chosen Winterburn if he was still available, Riise not a bad second choice. Really was struggling to think of another good left back apart from him. PM'd Sherlock after my pick.

Has Sherlock quit?

Ferris_Bueller

Can Sherlock confirm if he is going to make his pick or if he has quit? Would be a shame to quit at this stage surely.

SherlockWatson

I'm out yeh, PM'D BH as I assume he is next in line?

SlickRic

Donnielighto wrote: »

Wilshere is fine but you'll only get him for one game in the draft and then he's crocked :pac:

Honestly, i think his injury record is the only huge issue with him.

And that's not a big deal in this format.

Pudsy33

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I'm out yeh, PM'D BH as I assume he is next in line?

I doubt someone will want to take over now we are nearly finished tbh.

Donnielighto

SherlockWatson -

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Seaman

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Keown

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Heinze

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Vieira---Butt

Kanchelskis

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Drogba


I think you should just continue on at this stage, not much input going to come from whoever takes over, it's still your team pretty much. Anyway the judging thing has been cleared up.

LuckyLloyd

SherlockWatson wrote: »

I'm out yeh, PM'D BH as I assume he is next in line?

Ah hang in there mate, don't mind the bull****. You need to finish that team out.

Ferris_Bueller

Don't drop out over a disagreement with one poster, there are only a few picks left, I doubt anyone will want to take your place at this stage.

SherlockWatson

Ah yer right, I'll make my pick there, sorry for the delay.

Oranage2

Steve Finnan an excellent choice, not many rb better than him.

eagle eye

SherlockWatson wrote: »

Ah yer right, I'll make my pick there, sorry for the delay.

Damn, if you'd pulled out he might still have been there for me. Good pick.

Bounty Hunter

ahh right ignore my reply Sherlock... woulda liked that team though, with someone dropping out I woulda thought id have nothing (well a lower than average standard) to work with but that woulda been nice to be honest.

A_Sober_Paddy

SlickRic wrote: »

Safe to say I don't wholly agree!

I need someone who can provide steel AND drive forward. He can do that.

A lot of the midfield options I see don't offer quite the same things, although of course I could be missing some.

There is a few in my head who've over 300 games who'd genuinely offer more steal

Frankie Lee

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

So to clear things up we've to judge players that have had one excellent season higher than a player that has 5/6 very good seasons. So if you fill your team with one season wonders you should win.

So we're not judging who's the best Premier League players as such.

A player having 5 or 6 very good seasons would be beneficial in showing consistency in their ability while a player who only has one excellent season before teams figure out how to stop him or he goes downhill badly that should be taken into account too. It is up to everyone to justify their own selections and put forward arguments as there is a good bit of wriggle room
I think how teams are set up and balanced will have a bigger impact.

Hopefully I've clarified the criteria a bit.

SlickRic

Finnan was my backup for Sagna.

Good pick.

And yes, there are a few players with more steel than Wilshere, but not necessarily the drive and dribbling ability.

brevity

Finnan is great pick!

Frankie Lee

Update, teams starting to take shape.

Chrissybhoy -

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Cech
Zabaleta

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Lebouef

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Phil Neville

Beckham

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Parker

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McAllister

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Speed

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Henry

Redzerdrog -

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Martyn

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Carragher

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Ashley Cole

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Keane----Arteta
Kuyt

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Le Tissier

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Tevez

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Ian Wright

ASOT -

Glen Johnson----Sol Campbell----Pallister

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Harte

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Parlour

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Danny Murphy

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Di Canio

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Zola

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Torres

Bucketybuck -

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Lehmann

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Stam

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Johnsen

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Irwin

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Batty


Ronaldo

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Gudjohnson

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Ginola

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Klinsmann

Frankie Lee -

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McGrath

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Kompany

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Kolarov

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Fernandinho

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Poyet

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Scholes

Robben

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Joe Cole

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Les Ferdinand

eagle eye -

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Van Der Sar

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Hyypia

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Azpilcueta

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Hamann

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Tim Cahill

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Bale

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Hazard

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Suarez

SherlockWatson -

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Seaman
Finnan

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Keown

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Heinze

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Vieira

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Butt

Kanchelskis

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Drogba

Blatter -

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Schmeichel

G Neville

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Southgate

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Gallas

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Evra

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Dacourt

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Bergkamp

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Shearer

SlickRic -

Sagna

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Hendry

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Desailly

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Gilberto Silva

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Lampard

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Wilshere
Walcott

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Pires

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Aguero

Rushden -

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Toure

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Ricardo Carvalho

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Clichy

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Essien

-McManaman

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Duff

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Sheringham

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Rooney


Andersonisgod -

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King

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David Luiz

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Baines

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Gerrard

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Fabregas---Nasri

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Anelka

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Fowler

Ferris Bueller -

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--Cahill

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Vidic

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Riise

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Ballack

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Barry
Ljungberg

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Giggs

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Owen

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Yorke


Liam O -

Petrescu

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Bruce

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Radebe

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Winterburn

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Makelele

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Xabi Alonso

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Overmars

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Cantona

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Sturridge

LuckyLloyd -

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Terry

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Pearce

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Mascherano

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Ince

David Silva

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Beardsley

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Kewell

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Van Nistelrooy

Incognito Man -

Dixon

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Adams

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Petit

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Hargreaves

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Modric

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Mata

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Van Persie----Robbie Keane

Pudsy33 -

Ivanovic

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Rio Ferdinand

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Brown

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Le Saux

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Carrick

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Yaya Toure

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Andy Cole

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Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink

Donnielighto

How will the draw for matches work?

Frankie Lee

Donnielighto wrote: »

How will the draw for matches work?

http://www.randomresult.com/tournament.php
example result:
Group #1 competitor #1: ASOT competitor #2: Frankie Lee
Group #2 competitor #1: Pudsy33 competitor #2: LuckyLloyd
Group #3 competitor #1: SlickRic competitor #2: eagle eye
Group #4 competitor #1: Chrissybhoy competitor #2: Ferris Bueller
Group #5 competitor #1: Redzerdog competitor #2: Sherlock Watson
Group #6 competitor #1: Bucketybuck competitor #2: Incognito Man
Group #7 competitor #1: Blatter competitor #2: Rushden
Group #8 competitor #1: Andersonisgod competitor #2: Liam O

Junior D

Very difficult for me to try pick the best team there.There's 4/5 standouts at present where I'd would've brought slightly different players in. The team is rate the best so far though is Slickric. Not to keep harping on but I would've brought somebody in instead of Wilshire, but its the next few rounds where everything will be decided. A midfielder from my own club is still available who is see as great value, but in really would be style dependent of the team. Best of luck

Frankie Lee

Andersonisgod has been PM'd and has been online subsequently. It is frustrating that no picks have been made on a Saturday afternoon when the forum is probably at its busiest.

eagle eye

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Andersonisgod has been PM'd and has been online subsequently. It is frustrating that no picks have been made on a Saturday afternoon when the forum is probably at its busiest.

Ah come on man, don't you know that he has to do a Chelsea post-game thesis and a Barcelona pre-game one for tomorrow. He is a buy man!