Soccer Forum Premier League Era Draft Game Thread

keane2097

Lloyd will be very hard to beat IMO.

redzerdrog

Sure I may aswell

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Martyn

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Jones

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Carragher

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Vermalean

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Cole

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Keane(C)

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Arteta

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Kuyt

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Le Tissier

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Tevez

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Wright

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Subs- Ramires, Viduka, Solano

Or

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Martyn

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Jones

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Carragher

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Vermalean

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Cole

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Ramirez

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Keane(C)

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Arteta

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Tevez

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Le tiss

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Wright

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4-4-2 Diamond is also an option

SlickRic

keane2097 wrote: »

Lloyd will be very hard to beat IMO.

i don't mind saying that I tend to agree.

bucketybuck

Happy with the different options in my team, could pick a few variations on formation. Depends who we are playing I guess!

Ferris_Bueller

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Hart

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-Coleman---Cahill----Vidic----Riise-

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Ballack----Barry

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Ljungberg

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Giggs

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Yorke

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Owen

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or

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Hart

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-Coleman---Cahill----Vidic----Riise-

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Song----Barry

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Ljungberg

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Ballack

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Giggs

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Owen

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Team could have been better but could have been worse I suppose.

Chrissybhoy

My squad

1. Cech
2. Zabaleta
3. P. Neville
4. Melberg
5. Lebouef
6. Parker
7. Beckham
8. Cabaye
9. Henry
10. MaCallister
11. Speed

12. Quinn
13. Dyer
14. Bowyer

Frankie Lee

Ashley Young, Lucas, Duncan Ferguson, Stewart Downing and Raheem Sterling are amongst some of the players that I expected to have been selected at some stage or another.

Do people want to sort out how the matches work out and get a draw made now?

ctrl-alt-delete

Just been observing, looking forward to seeing the match ups.

Out of Interest how are the subs going to work. I see some saying it depends on opposition for formations/selections,but why could the other team not change theirs then?

Frankie Lee

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

Just been observing, looking forward to seeing the match ups.

Out of Interest how are the subs going to work. I see some saying it depends on opposition for formations/selections,but why could the other team not change theirs then?

I'd propose that the two line ups are sent to a neutral party before the match thread is opened so that there will be an element of guesswork into what team the opponent will line up with. Also to help ensure fairness as the team who posts second would have an advantage otherwise.
Of course the stronger teams won't have to worry too much.

Subs were probably a bad idea in hindsight.

Frankie Lee

Hleb is another who I thought might have been picked. I wanted to pick Ivan Campo but he probably wasn't good enough.

Blatter

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Hleb is another who I thought might have been picked. I wanted to pick Ivan Campo but he probably wasn't good enough.

I don't think Flamini was picked either. Thought he was better than a few CMs picked, very good during his first spell at Arsenal.

Liam O

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I'd propose that the two line ups are sent to a neutral party before the match thread is opened so that there will be an element of guesswork into what team the opponent will line up with. Also to help ensure fairness as the team who posts second would have an advantage otherwise.
Of course the stronger teams won't have to worry too much.

Subs were probably a bad idea in hindsight.

We can still change how subs would be used. After the two teams have been posted presumably you can say that you have a bench that could make a difference and that you'd make such and such subs to prevent it, though that could become contrived I guess.

Blatter

Liam O wrote: »

We can still change how subs would be used. After the two teams have been posted presumably you can say that you have a bench that could make a difference and that you'd make such and such subs to prevent it, though that could become contrived I guess.

I think that sort of stipulation needs to be made clear before the picks, not after. Lots of people would have picked differently otherwise.

Frankie Lee

Blatter wrote: »

I don't think Flamini was picked either. Thought he was better than a few CMs picked, very good during his first spell at Arsenal.

I forgot about him entirely, would have suited my team well as a worker beside Scholes. Better than Gravesen and Fernandinho anyway.:(

GavRedKing

I also dont think Matic was picked.

Only played 5 months of the 2013/14 season but was pretty good for us during that time.

Blatter

GavRedKing wrote: »

I also dont think Matic was picked.

Only played 5 months of the 2013/14 season but was pretty good for us during that time.

Was thinking of him, as I'm sure others were but I don't think he'd have been well received at all with only 17 games to judge him on. There'd be clear gaming going on with that pick!

Frankie Lee

He was considered but 5 months was too short a time frame. Henrik Larsson the same.

bucketybuck

I always assumed the subs were to allow tactical choices when picking your 11 for the match, and made picks with that in mind. So you pick 11 players from your 14 available.

There seems little point in going down the road of proposing hypotheticals wherein you will be bringing on subs mid-game. Sure, give a nod to the subs and the potential there, but the main focus on the 11 picked.

Frankie Lee

Will I ask a mod/neutral party to do a random draw for the round of 16 now and have that much sorted?

shano_88

I havent fully looked through the thread but was Kevin Phillips picked?

Frankie Lee

Nope but Niall Quinn was. That being said Niall Quinn and Henry might have been a better partnership.

Skylinehead

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Will I ask a mod/neutral party to do a random draw for the round of 16 now and have that much sorted?

I'd do it.

And promise not to pick favourable draws for the Arsenal-centric teams

Frankie Lee

Skylinehead wrote: »

I'd do it.

And promise not to pick favourable draws for the Arsenal-centric teams

Fair play.
There is the list with the right spellings this time and Pudsy33 replacing DildoFaggins.

ASOT
Rushden
Bucketybuck
Chrissybhoy
Blatter
Andersonisgod
LuckyLloyd
Ferris Bueller
Pudsy33
Eagle Eye
Frankie Lee
Liam O
Redzerdrog
Slickric
Incognito Man
SherlockWatson

I'm not sure which site to use but there are loads available.

Skylinehead

Using: http://www.randomresult.com/tournament.php



So:

SlickRic vs bucketybuck
Ferris Bueller vs Frankie Lee
Incognito Man vs Blatter
ASOT vs Pudsy33
Rushden vs Redzerdrog
Liam O vs SherlockWatson
Chrissybhoy vs Andersonisgod
LuckyLloyd vs Eagle Eye

Dummy draw (Seq 1): http://i.imgur.com/qrQ26cK.png



Go :pac:

shano_88

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Nope but Niall Quinn was. That being said Niall Quinn and Henry might have been a better partnership.

Very suprised he wasnt picked. At his peak he was an outstanding striker.

Never playing for a top 4 club probably counted against him.

redzerdrog

shano_88 wrote: »

Very suprised he wasnt picked. At his peak he was an outstanding striker.

Never playing for a top 4 club probably counted against him.

was shocked him and viduka werent picked in normal rounds. There is a few teams that could have done with either striker. Berbatov aswell went in the subs rounds!

brevity

Edin Dzeko would have been a great pick IMO.

IncognitoMan

Balls

redzerdrog

mark wright and ugo ehiugo

jan vertonghan aswell

bucketybuck

The problem with the likes of Dzeko and Philips is that they are too easy to mark down. I see Dzeko up front and I see a player that could never even nail down a first team spot never mind be a PL legend, its the type of thing that costs you votes. I'd pick Crouch before Dzeko.

Theres plenty of good players that could have been picked, Staunton, Rob Lee, Dennis Wise, Steve Bould, John Collins, Collymore, Vialli, but apart from a few exceptions, by and large I think they weren't really any better than those picked.

shano_88

Phillips scored 30 league goals with Sunderland. Was an amazing achievement really. Should definitely have been picked somewhere imo.

Frankie Lee

I'm happy with Les Ferdinand who scored more consistently and had a far better all round game than Phillips.
I probably could have done with a second striker but by the time I had Chris Waddle selected I started panicking about my centre midfield options. I tossed a coin between Gravesen and Petrov while forgetting about players like Lucas and Flamini. I've messed up I know.

Liam O

shano_88 wrote: »

Phillips scored 30 league goals with Sunderland. Was an amazing achievement really. Should definitely have been picked somewhere imo.

shiiiiiiiit

Oranage2

Im surprised Johnathan Woodgate wasn't pick.

Pudsy33

Oranage2 wrote: »

Im surprised Johnathan Woodgate wasn't pick.

Pretty sure he was

Ferris_Bueller

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Ashley Young, Lucas, Duncan Ferguson, Stewart Downing and Raheem Sterling are amongst some of the players that I expected to have been selected at some stage or another.

Do people want to sort out how the matches work out and get a draw made now?

I picked Ashley Young as my last sub! I made a list of roughly 16ish players for each position on the pitch before the draft started and by the end of it (including subs) pretty much every single player was picked. I thought Phillips would get picked, the next player after that who I thought would be selected was Joleon Lescott but realistically he isn't much or any better than most of the players who did get picked. Some others who didn't make the cut for example were Chimbonda, Sterling, Verthonghen, Bould, Coloccini, Benayoun, Luis Garcia.

Who do people think were some of the best/worst selections of the draft? For me Laurent Robert was the standout poor pick, surprised he made it into the draft at all never mind into someones first eleven. David Luiz, Danny Murphy and Owen Hargreaves were three dodgy ones for me too considering how early they went. Klinsmann is a risky pick for me also, undoubtedly good enough for a draft such as this but the fact that he only played one season in the league has to count against him surely. Tevez was a great pick by redzerdog considering when he was picked, as were Kolo Toure and Michael Carrick.

It will be interesting to see if there will be a bias towards older players or newer players, but overall I would imagine it will even itself out more or less. Fair play to everyone for sticking it out and best of luck!

Oranage2

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

I picked Ashley Young as my last sub! I made a list of roughly 16ish players for each position on the pitch before the draft started and by the end of it (including subs) pretty much every single player was picked. I thought Phillips would get picked, the next player after that who I thought would be selected was Joleon Lescott but realistically he isn't much or any better than most of the players who did get picked. Some others who didn't make the cut for example were Chimbonda, Sterling, Verthonghen, Bould, Coloccini, Benayoun, Luis Garcia.

Who do people think were some of the best/worst selections of the draft? For me Laurent Robert was the standout poor pick, surprised he made it into the draft at all never mind into someones first eleven. David Luiz, Danny Murphy and Owen Hargreaves were three dodgy ones for me too considering how early they went. Klinsmann is a risky pick for me also, undoubtedly good enough for a draft such as this but the fact that he only played one season in the league has to count against him surely. Tevez was a great pick by redzerdog considering when he was picked, as were Kolo Toure and Michael Carrick.

It will be interesting to see if there will be a bias towards older players or newer players, but overall I would imagine it will even itself out more or less. Fair play to everyone for sticking it out and best of luck!

Robert was a poor pick, wilshere Another dodgy one but Jamie carragher for me was the worst pick, people will see him and just see a massive weakness.

IncognitoMan

Jamie carragher was never the worst pick. Thats insane to suggest to be honest. Unless you're worried people will vote against him because they dislike him but that's people being idiots rather than a poor choice from the guy who picked him

Oranage2

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Jamie carragher was never the worst pick. Thats insane to suggest to be honest. Unless you're worried people will vote against him because they dislike him but that's people being idiots rather than a poor choice from the guy who picked him

Not the worst player but suicide in game like this where public opinion plays such a big part, it's like bringing a goat to a cattle market.

Ferris_Bueller

Oranage2 wrote: »

Not the worst player but suicide in game like this where public opinion plays such a big part, it's like bringing a goat to a cattle market.

I know it's a matter of opinion at the end of the day but that's outrageous, I can't think of a better defender who was picked after him and I'd even rate him ahead of a few who were picked before him.

IncognitoMan

Ah you can't be avoiding players because of a few fools.

I'm fairly sure most of the people who will vote will have had some interest in the draft all the way from the picks to the match ups. They'll know what they should be judging players on

Oranage2

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Ah you can't be avoiding players because of a few fools.

I'm fairy sure most of the people who will vote will have had some interest in the draft all the way from the picks to the match ups. They'll know what they should be judging players on

Fair enough I'm not sure the type of voters I just imagined a lot of people open the thread and vote for the team they think looks best.


Another player I was surprised not to see was nakata.

Blatter

Clint Dempsey is another that would've been a worthy pick.

Liam O

IncognitoMan wrote: »

Ah you can't be avoiding players because of a few fools.

I'm fairly sure most of the people who will vote will have had some interest in the draft all the way from the picks to the match ups. They'll know what they should be judging players on

I don't know, I think there's some(admittedly very few) on the forum who will vote purely based on who's team it is. There are some very petty people in here from some of the stories that you hear...

bucketybuck

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Who do people think were some of the best/worst selections of the draft? For me Laurent Robert was the standout poor pick, surprised he made it into the draft at all never mind into someones first eleven. David Luiz, Danny Murphy and Owen Hargreaves were three dodgy ones for me too considering how early they went. Klinsmann is a risky pick for me also, undoubtedly good enough for a draft such as this but the fact that he only played one season in the league has to count against him surely. Tevez was a great pick by redzerdog considering when he was picked, as were Kolo Toure and Michael Carrick.

Klinsmann had two seasons in the Premier league. In fact Jurgen Klinsmann has more Premier league games than Gabriel Heinze, is Heinze going to be marked down on that?

Morzadec

Oranage2 wrote: »

Robert was a poor pick, wilshere Another dodgy one but Jamie carragher for me was the worst pick, people will see him and just see a massive weakness.

Carragher was definitely amongst Europe's top 10 Centre-backs for 2-3 seasons, with a very strong argument for him being in the top 5. Remember this is peak performance

He was the centre-piece, motivator and leader in the defence on a team that probably relied first and foremost on having a very solid defence during a period when Liverpool were one of the top 5 teams in Europe.

Ludicrous to call him a weakness imo.

Also since when is Carra dislikable? Sure people like to have a laugh at his accent and maybe some United fans don't like him, though I'm sure that's more or less faded now that he's retired the same way it has with Neville.

Always imagined Carra was generally respected and well-liked by most

LuckyLloyd

Oranage2 wrote: »

but Jamie carragher for me was the worst pick, people will see him and just see a massive weakness.

Oranage2 wrote: »

Fair enough I'm not sure the type of voters I just imagined a lot of people open the thread and vote for the team they think looks best.

Two things:

- anyone seeing a 'massive weakness' with Carragher have an, eh, interesting opinion;
- anyone voting on the basis of poster / club likes or allegiance are a bit sad;

Anyway, looking forward to the next phase of this thing.

menoscemo

I was surprised Alexis Sanchez wasn't picked. Was the draft speicifically for players before this season only?
I think even in his 4-5months he has made a huge impact.

IncognitoMan

Draft is only until the end of the 2013-2014 season. So anything from the current season is not included so Sanchez, Di Maria, Falcao all not eligible

Ferris_Bueller

bucketybuck wrote: »

Klinsmann had two seasons in the Premier league. In fact Jurgen Klinsmann has more Premier league games than Gabriel Heinze, is Heinze going to be marked down on that?

Well a season and a half really. To be honest I hadn't realised Heinze had played so few games, he was at United for three full years and was injured a lot for the one in the middle, whereas Klinsmann was at Spurs for a year and then came back on loan for a while a year or two later. But yes I would mark Heinze down on that also.