January transfer window thread

keeponhurling

tastyt wrote: »

I think bony is a brilliant signing for city. As said above, dzeko is probably on the way out, negrado is gone and they have been very reliant on Aguero this season so I wouldnt say a new striker is unnecessary.

Bony has been brilliant since joining Swansea and 30 million might sound a lot but it's still cheaper than lukakku, herrera and lallanna for a proven premier league goalscorer. I think it's probably between bony and benteke for best striker outside the top 4/5 and only a matter of time before they are both in the champions league.

Could be the signing that wins the league

Yeah, agree. Bony is a massive player for Swansea , and the whole outlook for the season changes with his possible departure.

Even if Swansea got 50m for him, they couldn't attract a similar quality player anyways

Donnielighto

COYVB wrote: »

So hearsay and the journalists that agree with your viewpoint. Cheers for clearing that up

Cheers, exactly what i was getting at too

theballz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Chelsea are just smart. No point hating clubs that are brilliant in the transfer market. Arsenal and Liverpool should aspire to their standards imo.

Yeah 50m for Torres was really smart.

Dirty Steve

theballz wrote: »

Yeah 50m for Torres was really smart.

He's one player. Ferguson signed many a terrible player (Anderson - £25million for example) but nobody is questioning him. Sometimes things don't work out.

Chelsea have generally done well in the transfer market. They sold David Luiz for 50 million ffs.

LuckyLloyd

theballz wrote: »

Yeah 50m for Torres was really smart.

Good man, yeah, you're right - the Torres deal proves that Chelsea are inferior to Arsenal and Liverpool in the transfer market. That one deal sums up their entire decade of transfer dealings. It also dwarfs any on pitch success they've enjoyed during the period. No hassle.

theballz

Dirty Steve wrote: »

He's one player. Ferguson signed many a terrible player (Anderson - £25million for example) but nobody is questioning him.

Your right nobody is questioning him but at the same time no one else is claiming that "other clubs should aspire to be as good as united in the transfer market,"
like luckylloyd just did for chelsea.

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Good man, yeah, you're right - the Torres deal proves that Chelsea are inferior to Arsenal and Liverpool in the transfer market. That one deal sums up their entire decade of transfer dealings. It also dwarfs any on pitch success they've enjoyed during the period. No hassle.

One deal? What about Shevchenko for 30m? Another example excellent signing by Chelsea.

Lovely Bloke

Fabregas, Costa, Hazard, Cech, Courtois, Lampard, Drogba, Makelele, Essien, Duff, Luiz, Cole Ashley, Ivanovic....et al

Dirty Steve

Any actual transfer news?
This is the transfer thread.
Note: I'm aware of the irony of this post.

AdamD

Chelsea were able to smart in the transfer window because they had the funds to buy all of those young players before FFP set in. Liverpool and Arsenal couldn't have spent that much money on Lukaku, KDB, Courtois and countless others with no intention of using them in the first team for a number of years.

theballz

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Fabregas, Costa, Hazard, Cech, Courtois, Lampard, Drogba, Makelele, Essien, Duff, Luiz, Cole Ashley, Ivanovic....et al

Apart from Frank Lampard (debatable even) and Courtois who hadn't already proven there worth before signing?

Chelsea make great signings but break the bank in doing so - they buy proven players whereas the likes of Liverpool, United and especially Arsenal buy young players and develop them into world class players.

Chelsea's days of doing such are well and truly over.

theballz

Dirty Steve wrote: »

Any actual transfer news?
This is the transfer thread.
Note: I'm aware of the irony of this post.

DEAL DONE: Notts Forest have signed Chelsea's Todd Kane thanks to the SkyBet Transfer Fund. (Source: @Official_NFFC)

CSF

theballz wrote: »

Apart from Frank Lampard (debatable even) and Courtois who hadn't already proven there worth before signing?

Chelsea make great signings but break the bank in doing so - they buy proven players whereas the likes of Liverpool, United and especially Arsenal buy young players and develop them into world class players.

Chelsea's days of doing such are well and truly over.

A good few of them hadn't proven their worth before signing. Very few players prove their worth at the likes of Rennes and Lokomotiv Moscow. These clubs are stepping stones to proving your worth, so many players do well at these sorts of clubs but then can't handle the bigtime.

emmetlego

This just doesn't make sense...

Firstly, Barca have a transfer ban so why would they sell arguably their best player with no hope of replacing him (Liverpool fans may be able to answer that one!:-) )
And secondly, wouldn't that push Chelsea way over FFP??

GavRedKing

emmetlego wrote: »

This just doesn't make sense...

Firstly, Barca have a transfer ban so why would they sell arguably their best player with no hope of replacing him (Liverpool fans may be able to answer that one!:-) )
And secondly, wouldn't that push Chelsea way over FFP??

It would push any club over FFP, theres no way any club could afford the outlay IMO.

Lucas Hood

GavRedKing wrote: »

It would push any club over FFP, theres no way any club could afford the outlay IMO.

But what is the punishment? They fined City & Psg.
If someone can afford the transfer fee chances are they can afford the fine.

AdamD

GavRedKing wrote: »

It would push any club over FFP, theres no way any club could afford the outlay IMO.

United easily could have this season, probably not having spent so much already though. Bayern could probably do it if he was their only signing and they sold a couple of squad players.


Not that hes every going to leave though.

theballz

Lucas Hood wrote: »

But what is the punishment? They fined City & Psg.
If someone can afford the transfer fee chances are they can afford the fine.

I'd imagine there is some way around it. Like if Messi really wanted to go, he could go somehow.

Whether that meant he "paid his own buyout clause" with the help of his new sponsors Ethiad for example...

GavRedKing

sugarman wrote: »

Ffs, can we not have a dicusion thread and a rumours/done deals thread?

Too much ****e talk and argument's in the middle of actual updates.

Theres very little updates, the window is only open a few days and theres no way I'm splitting a transfer window into 2 threads, theres no point.

People are discussing an on-going situation that involves one of the best players in the world.

theballz

Sneijder seemingly agreed personal terms with Juventus.

Blatter

GavRedKing wrote: »

It would push any club over FFP, theres no way any club could afford the outlay IMO.

Not necessarily. You'd have to remember that the fee probably wouldn't be straight up cash and would be amortised over 4-5 years. Say the fee was his buy out clause which is €250m. The club that bought him could pay Barca €50-60m a year for 4-5 years and his wages would be ~€20m on top of that so it could work out @ ~€70m a year on the books and there are clubs that could afford that. For example, United's new kit deal alone is a minimum of €95m a year, which is more than double the deal of any other club.

Now, whether any club would be willing to risk that sort of outlay on any one player is another matter although they would obviously insure against injury.

TheNap

emmetlego wrote: »

This just doesn't make sense...

Firstly, Barca have a transfer ban so why would they sell arguably their best player with no hope of replacing him (Liverpool fans may be able to answer that one!:-) )
And secondly, wouldn't that push Chelsea way over FFP??

Arguably ?

GavRedKing

Honestly speaking any club would love him but right now I'd prefer if we got the stadium sorted and blowing a reoprted €250 million and wages on Messi would go a huge way to sorting any re-development of Stamford Bridge which should come first speaking from a Chelsea P.O.V.

Also, that money could buy you half a dozen world class players, although their wages combined would trump Messi.

A few interesting angles to look at really.

emmetlego

TheNap wrote: »

Arguably ?

Yes. That's what I said. Some would argue he's not their best, I would argue he is by far.

LuckyLloyd

theballz wrote: »

Apart from Frank Lampard (debatable even) and Courtois who hadn't already proven there worth before signing?

Chelsea make great signings but break the bank in doing so - they buy proven players whereas the likes of Liverpool, United and especially Arsenal buy young players and develop them into world class players.

Chelsea's days of doing such are well and truly over.

Liverpool recently have been involved in buying young players and selling them on a couple of seasons later.
Utd have signed Di Maria, Van Persie and Falcao in recent times
Arsenal have signed Ozil and Sanchez in recent times

Chelsea seem very much in control of their transfer business and have the best squad depth in the Premiership currently imo.

theballz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Liverpool recently have been involved in buying young players and selling them on a couple of seasons later.
Utd have signed Di Maria, Van Persie and Falcao in recent times
Arsenal have signed Ozil and Sanchez in recent times

Chelsea seem very much in control of their transfer business and have the best squad depth in the Premiership currently imo.

No one is disputing that.

I am simply replying to your earlier comment about how other teams such look at how Chelsea do business in the transfer window.

Not every other team in the PL has the transfer budget Chelsea has nor does it have the ability to pay high wages like Chelsea.
Most other teams have to invest in young players and try develop them, Chelsea would rather pay big transfer fees for players who have already proven themselves rather then develop them.

LuckyLloyd

theballz wrote: »

No one is disputing that.

I am simply replying to your earlier comment about how other teams such look at how Chelsea do business in the transfer window.

Not every other team in the PL has the transfer budget Chelsea has nor does it have the ability to pay high wages like Chelsea.
Most other teams have to invest in young players and try develop them, Chelsea would rather pay big transfer fees for players who have already proven themselves rather then develop them.

AND invest in a lot of young talented players and loan them around Europe and either keep them if they come good or parcel them back out at a profit. They are playing a much bigger game than any other Premiership club, a multi faceted strategy that aims to balance:

- need for a strong XI;
- need for a deep first team squad;
- need for a balance acquisition strategy between youth and proven experience;
- need for an offset against FFP regulations;

Yeah they had more money to start with. And now they are adapting and demonstrating methods to invest big within FFP constraints.

It is folly to dismiss them imo, but you are of course entitled to do same.

theballz

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

AND invest in a lot of young talented players and loan them around Europe and either keep them if they come good or parcel them back out at a profit. They are playing a much bigger game than any other Premiership club, a multi faceted strategy that aims to balance:

- need for a strong XI;
- need for a deep first team squad;
- need for a balance acquisition strategy between youth and proven experience;
- need for an offset against FFP regulations;

Yeah they had more money to start with. And now they are adapting and demonstrating methods to invest big within FFP constraints.

It is folly to dismiss them imo, but you are of course entitled to do same.

They may invest in youth players loan them out but who has actually come back and played regular first team football apart from the obvious in Courtious?

Chelsea go and spend alot of money on the likes of Hazard, Fabregas and Costa...
Proven players, how many academy graduates are actually in there first team?

8-10

theballz wrote: »

They may invest in youth players loan them out but who has actually come back and played regular first team football apart from the obvious in Courtious?

Chelsea go and spend alot of money on the likes of Hazard, Fabregas and Costa...
Proven players, how many academy graduates are actually in there first team?

Their entire back 5 cost less than £10m each. And it's a very strong back 5. 1 of them is an academy grad.

Lord TSC

theballz wrote: »

Sneijder seemingly agreed personal terms with Juventus.

Yes please. Kill off any "...to United" rumours quickly...

GavRedKing

theballz wrote: »

They may invest in youth players loan them out but who has actually come back and played regular first team football apart from the obvious in Courtious?

Chelsea go and spend alot of money on the likes of Hazard, Fabregas and Costa...
Proven players, how many academy graduates are actually in there first team?

2. Lewis Baker and Jamal Blackman, Baker has just been loaned to Sheff Wed for the rest of the season.

John Swift and Dom Solanke have also got game time and have been invovled with the 1st team.

To answer the first part, all those who went on loan and were sold were replaced with much better options and we made a profit on them. Like it or not its a very profitable way of doing business.

Chelsea are happy as they might get a player thats good enough with minimum coaching
The loaning club are happy as theyre getting a very talented youngster who may stay on if he does well
The player is getting game time at a competitive level that he wont get with Chelsea.

Everyone wins.

CSF

GavRedKing wrote: »

2. Lewis Baker and Jamal Blackman, Baker has just been loaned to Sheff Wed for the rest of the season.

John Swift and Dom Solanke have also got game time and have been invovled with the 1st team.

To answer the first part, all those who went on loan and were sold were replaced with much better options and we made a profit on them. Like it or not its a very profitable way of doing business.

Chelsea are happy as they might get a player thats good enough with minimum coaching
The loaning club are happy as theyre getting a very talented youngster who may stay on if he does well
The player is getting game time at a competitive level that he wont get with Chelsea.

Everyone wins.

Except the other competitive Premiership clubs and their stakeholders, who inevitably complain about it as a result.

aodea

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Fabregas, Costa, Hazard, Cech, Courtois, Lampard, Drogba, Makelele, Essien, Duff, Luiz, Cole Ashley, Ivanovic....et al

you could also list a large amount of players that were not up to grade

Schevchenko, Mutu, Crespo, Torres, Bogarde, Ba, Parker, Veron, Kezman, shaun wright phillips, Maniche, did they sign Sidwell at some stage? Pizzaro, marko marin.

My point is like most clubs you get it right some times and wrong sometimes.
What chelsea do well is sign young players who even if they don't make the first team still seem to command a good transfer fee.

LuckyLloyd

CSF wrote: »

Except the other competitive Premiership clubs and their stakeholders, who inevitably complain about it as a result.

Well, tough imo.

kfallon

aodea wrote: »

you could also list a large amount of players that were not up to grade

Schevchenko, Mutu, Crespo, Torres, Bogarde, Ba, Parker, Veron, Kezman, shaun wright phillips, Maniche, did they sign Sidwell at some stage? Pizzaro, marko marin.

My point is like most clubs you get it right some times and wrong sometimes.
What chelsea do well is sign young players who even if they don't make the first team still seem to command a good transfer fee.

I always think it's harsh to say Crespo wasn't a success, I'd say his goals to games ratio was pretty decent for Chelsea, maybe just less than 1 in 2 I'd guess

Cantona's Collars

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/553171843960832000

Shaqiri to Inter for €15 million,loan first.

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well, tough imo.

I know, that was my point.

keane2097

Thread is in bits.

DubDani

zerks wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Sport_Witness/status/553171843960832000

Shaqiri to Inter for €15 million,loan first.

According to German Reports sold for 18 mil. from next season, but already loaned free of Charge to end of the season due to Inters financial Situation (They are not allowed to spend money on Transfers anymore this season).

Dickerty

DubDani wrote: »

According to German Reports sold for 18 mil. from next season, but already loaned free of Charge to end of the season due to Inters financial Situation (They are not allowed to spend money on Transfers anymore this season).

That's nice of them! :eek:

slingerz

there should be a squad limit of 25 players including any players loaned in/out. the idea of stockpiling players is daft just because they have the money

AdamD

Jesus can people not read through 15 posts of actual discussion before getting to their bull**** rumours? People are discussing transfers by the way, if you would take a minute to read the posts before writing ****e like 'thread is in bits'.

theballz

City speaking to Bayern about Muller seemingly.

8-10

theballz wrote: »

City speaking to Bayern about Muller seemingly.

Would be a terrific signing

ben.schlomo

For those interested in actual transfers rather than Chelsea's club policies:

Wigan striker Oriol Riera has joined Deportivo de La Coruna on loan until the end of the season.
Napoli have completed the signings of Sampdoria striker Manolo Gabbiadini and Dnipro defender Ivan Strinic.
Augsburg have loaned Pierre-Emile Hojbjerg from Bayern.
Michael Keane has signed for Burnley on a permanent deal from Man Utd.

klose

theballz wrote: »

City speaking to Bayern about Muller seemingly.

Theyve loaned out shaqiri so that leaves just him robben afaik that can play on the right hand side, doubt theyd sell him, he always seems to score a goal a game.
Just seen there they also loaned out hojbjerg to augsberg for the rest of the season, big talent him.

pmasterson95

Sinclair is expected to join Aston Villa.

Rayne Wooney

Muller is second only to Neuer in appearances hard to see them letting him go

pmasterson95

klose wrote: »

Theyve loaned out shaqiri so that leaves just him robben afaik that can play on the right hand side, doubt theyd sell him, he always seems to score a goal a game.
Just seen there they also loaned out hoijberg to augsberg for the rest of the season, big talent him.

Rafinha & Rode played on right for them before I thought?

Blatter

theballz wrote: »

City speaking to Bayern about Muller seemingly.

......seemingly?

Sounds like a BS rumour.

Cantona's Collars

theballz wrote: »

City speaking to Bayern about Muller seemingly.

Bony will be the limit of City's buying due to FFP.They may offload players to balance the books and that's looking unlikely (at least players who'd command fees to balance the spending out)