Neil Warnock sacked by Crystal Palace

DenMan

First managerial casualty of the season!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30610309

cj maxx

DenMan wrote: »

First managerial casualty of the season!

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30610309

Bit surprised , but only a bit

Unearthly

Championship manager at best. Might seem harsh with the timing around Xmas but the new manager will have January transfer window to save them

DenMan

cjmc wrote: »

Bit surprised , but only a bit

They haven't won since the 3-1 win against Liverpool in late November.

Hank Scorpio

Not sure what they expected when they hired him! His record in the premiership is poor

cj maxx

DenMan wrote: »

They haven't won since the 3-1 win against Liverpool in late November.

Yeah , meant to edit that post after clicking on the link from the op .
Not at all surpised

Harry Palmr

Strange one, Palace are never going to find it "easy", so then who's in? I hear Tony Pulis is free.

callaway92

Just from his comments in his post-match interviews last night it doesn't surprise me.

Seemed to have no connection with the board whatsoever. Good manager worthy of a Premier League team imo. Just didn't work out for him there. They'll stay up I think, and still would have with him in charge.

Amirani

callaway92 wrote: »

Seemed to have no connection with the board whatsoever. Good manager worthy of a Premier League team imo. Just didn't work out for him there. They'll stay up I think, and still would have with him in charge.

I'd be interested to hear what you're basing that in. He hasn't had much Premier League success, despite having a good few attempts.

LeBash

Its been coming. Im a fan of his. Not for his ability but the way he comes across in post match. "Ahhhh i cant fault my lads etc" when you can clearly see he has knocked the stuffing out of the team already.

Bruce next?

enfant terrible

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Strange one, Palace are never going to find it "easy", so then who's in? I hear Tony Pulis is free.

Ya offer him a five million pound keeping them up bonus.

thebaz

callaway92 wrote: »

J Good manager worthy of a Premier League team imo. Just didn't work out for him there. .

I would rate him no more than a Championship manager , worst manager in the Premiership by some . But, he should have been given more time , as he was given the job , very poor decision making at Palace

Billy86

I don't know how they possibly expected to be doing any better than they have been from the moment they hired him. Skybet have the favourites as Tim Sherwood (7/2), Keith Millen (9/1) and Ally McCoist (14/1) with SSN just now saying Tony Popovich (currently in charge of Western Sydney Wanderers) joint favourite at 7/2 - hardly surprising to see such an underwhelming list of replacements given Steve Parish & co apparently have a bit of a reputation for being an unrealistic pack of a**eholes to work with. Wasn't it just this summer he was on SSN saying Palace expected to be a CL team within 2-3 years, having let the reigning manager of the year leave over their refusal to spent more than a whopping £2.5mn in the transfer window (and then panicking and spending over £10mn on James McArthur and Zeki Fryers on deadline day having conceded 11 goals in their first 4 league games).

Shambles of a club, at 13/8 odds I reckon it's well worth putting on them going down to be honest.

Billy86

I just checked the Aussie A League table for anyone curious, and Popovich's Western Sydney Wanderers are bottom of the table with 0 wins, 3 draws and 6 losses so far this season (6 goals for, 15 against). Surely even Palace, as unattractive a proposition as they are for anyone right now, have better/more proven options than that? :pac:

Kristopherus

Clinton Morrison was touting Tony Pulis big time on SS News a few minutes ago.

Billy86

Kristopherus wrote: »

Clinton Morrison was touting Tony Pulis big time on SS News a few minutes ago.

I'm pretty sure if they want him back, they'll need to offer multiple times the pay he was on in the contract he had last season.

Chrissybhoy

Agree with other he's a champ manager. But I'm surprised by the sacking he wasn't doing horrendous. He's comments last night were weird tho

klose

Pretty surprising it took half a season for the first manager to be sacked, must be some kind of record?

callaway92

thebaz wrote: »

I would rate him no more than a Championship manager , worst manager in the Premiership by some . But, he should have been given more time , as he was given the job , very poor decision making at Palace

I suppose I should've worded it like that actually.

Capable manager so, not a 'good' one :P Unlucky to be sacked.

mikeym

It was a tough job.

Hope Tony Pulis doesnt take the job.

MagicIRL

They deserve it after sacking Pulis and replacing him with that eejit. And after the work he had done and all.

5live

klose wrote: »

Pretty surprising it took half a season for the first manager to be sacked, must be some kind of record?

This is the third longest stretch before sacking a manager in the PL in the last 19 seasons, according to the radio, so it is a kind of a record.

lertsnim

MOTD will be more bearable now

castletownman

I can see them going back to Pulis with cap in hand saying "Please sir. Can we have some more?"

Aenaes

Some people here have short memories.

Pulis resigned/walked away from Palace, he wasn't sacked. Warnock was a bit of a panic hiring, Palace wanted Mackay but then those revelations were released seemingly just before he was hired. Warnock was without a club and could join straight away while the season started in a few days for Palace.

Billy86

Aenaes wrote: »

Some people here have short memories.

Pulis resigned/walked away from Palace, he wasn't sacked. Warnock was a bit of a panic hiring, Palace wanted Mackay but then those revelations were released seemingly just before he was hired. Warnock was without a club and could join straight away while the season started in a few days for Palace.

He resigned because after having kept them up, the club refused to spend more than £2.3mn on transfers while one of their chairman, Steve "Most Hateable Face on the Plant" Parish was on SSN bragging about how they were fully intent on becoming a force in the league and getting in the CL within the next three years. That said, Pulis has a history/reputation of being a difficult person to work with also.

Dayum

Palace are a joke of a club...

If they're happy to be mid table fodder then fair enough but it's this ridiculous notion of grandiose that contradicts their actions...

Pulis was doing a good job. They should have given him the money he needed to stabilise the club in the Premier League for a couple of seasons before making a meal of it...

irish_man

David Moyes anyone?

Billy86

Even if he wasn't at Sociedad already, I doubt he would touch them with a ten foot barge pole.

ConstantJoe

irish_man wrote: »

David Moyes anyone?

I'd say he's happy enough in Spain.

Lovely Bloke

lertsnim wrote: »

MOTD will be more bearable now

don't speak too soon, he'll probably end up a pundit on it at least once before the season end

Gits_bone

Alan Curbishley?

Super-Rush

Rodgers?

titan18

Billy86 wrote: »

He resigned because after having kept them up, the club refused to spend more than £2.3mn on transfers while one of their chairman, Steve "Most Hateable Face on the Plant" Parish was on SSN bragging about how they were fully intent on becoming a force in the league and getting in the CL within the next three years. That said, Pulis has a history/reputation of being a difficult person to work with also.

Source for the CL within 3 years. He's said he'd like to challenge for Europa League spots.

Also, it was only a few years ago that Palace were a few games away from ceasing to exist as a club. They've made it clear they're not going to try and spend their way into staying in the PL and end up back in sh1t over it.

Pulis never had the greatest transfer record at Stoke so hard to back him with money

Chrissybhoy

titan18 wrote: »

Source for the CL within 3 years. He's said he'd like to challenge for Europa League spots.

Also, it was only a few years ago that Palace were a few games away from ceasing to exist as a club. They've made it clear they're not going to try and spend their way into staying in the PL and end up back in sh1t over it.

Pulis never had the greatest transfer record at Stoke so hard to back him with money

At stoke he got players in to suit his style of play I don't think there was anything wrong with the majority signings he made at Stoke

titan18

Chrissybhoy wrote: »

At stoke he got players in to suit his style of play I don't think there was anything wrong with the majority signings he made at Stoke

Pretty much any forward he signed was awful. Kenwyne Jones, Gudjohnsen, Crouch, Cameron Jerome, Kitson, Beattie, Tuncay, Owen. Guys he signed also are the type of players who I'd imagine were on decent wages.

He did well at signing defenders but that was about it.

blueser

Never liked the bloke. I can't remember any side of his losing a game, and it not to have been the ref's fault. A sore, bitter loser. Well worthy of his nickname.

smileyj1987

An 18% win rate , he deserved to be sacked . Football is all about winning games and he hasn't been able to do that .

Gits_bone

Pulis has big ideas, wants to spend massive amounts of money...think he wanted to spend massive money on the training ground too. The reason Pulis is a good manger is because he works well with limited resources and it's the reason no club will give him big money to spend again.

rossie1977

1 point from safety. i can't stand warnock but one win and they would be 15th

if results had gone differently yesterday (liverpool lose/palace win) they would be sitting 4 points behind liverpool who they played off the park a few weeks ago.

Chrissybhoy

titan18 wrote: »

Pretty much any forward he signed was awful. Kenwyne Jones, Gudjohnsen, Crouch, Cameron Jerome, Kitson, Beattie, Tuncay, Owen. Guys he signed also are the type of players who I'd imagine were on decent wages.

He did well at signing defenders but that was about it.

Most of them forwards you mentioned fitted into the way stoke play and played there part in Stoke becoming established prem and qualifying for Europe. Without being outstanding no one really is ever outstanding at Stoke.

Aenaes

Gits_bone wrote: »

Pulis has big ideas, wants to spend massive amounts of money...think he wanted to spend massive money on the training ground too. The reason Pulis is a good manger is because he works well with limited resources and it's the reason no club will give him big money to spend again.

Yeah, from Pulis' Wikipedia page: "Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets"

I didn't want to quote it before since I couldn't find any real evidence to support it but if that's the image he's portraying then he's almost a victim of his own success(es).

theoneeyedman

Aenaes wrote: »

Yeah, from Pulis' Wikipedia page: "Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets"

I didn't want to quote it before since I couldn't find any real evidence to support it but if that's the image he's portraying then he's almost a victim of his own success(es).

Stoke had a massive wage bill in Pulis's time there. Iirc they were next in line at one time, after the usual suspects (man u/Arsensl/Chelsea/Liverpool/city). Did a decent job there, and likewise at palace, but he wasn't on a shoestring at Stoke.
Colin was a panic signing days before the start of the season, and the only surprise is that he lasted this long.

Gits_bone

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Stoke had a massive wage bill in Pulis's time there. Iirc they were next in line at one time, after the usual suspects (man u/Arsensl/Chelsea/Liverpool/city). Did a decent job there, and likewise at palace, but he wasn't on a shoestring at Stoke.
Colin was a panic signing days before the start of the season, and the only surprise is that he lasted this long.

Which adds to my point that if a club wanted a manager that could spend money they wouldn't need Pulis. If you want someone to perform above their level with limited players Pulis is the man, but he has bigger ideas.

inforfun

Billy86 wrote: »

I just checked the Aussie A League table for anyone curious, and Popovich's Western Sydney Wanderers are bottom of the table with 0 wins, 3 draws and 6 losses so far this season (6 goals for, 15 against). Surely even Palace, as unattractive a proposition as they are for anyone right now, have better/more proven options than that? :pac:

WSW was rather occupied with the Asian CL, which they won and then the WC for clubs, over the last couple of months. League wasnt much of a priority

Too Tough To Die

Championship specialist. Wouldn't have him anywhere near a BPL side. Same with McCarthy, if Ipswich had any balls they'd send him on his way after winning promotion and hire a BPL survival specialist.

ollaetta

Gits_bone wrote: »

Alan Curbishley?

Nah, has to be Steve Coppell!

Frankie Lee

I know betting odds are notoriously unreliable for these things but Pardew has gone from 20/1 yesterday into odds on today to get the Palace job.

Gits_bone

Frankie Lee wrote: »

I know betting odds are notoriously unreliable for these things but Pardew has gone from 20/1 yesterday into odds on today to get the Palace job.

What are the odds on him to be next manager to leave?

Frankie Lee

Market is suspended while games are on but he was into 11/4 favourite earlier which shows that the bookies like to exaggerate some markets.

Frankie Lee

With West Brom 2-0 down it looks like it will be Alan Irvine sacked this evening or in the morning too.