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can I teach with criminal record

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  • 27-12-2014 11:46pm
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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭


    Hi, there is a possibility that I will get a criminal record for 3 arrests (drunk and disorderly/ aggression) and was just wondering will it effect my future of teaching kids?
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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    Hi, there is a possibility that I will get a criminal record for 3 arrests (drunk and disorderly/ aggression/ failure to comply) and was just wondering will it effect my future of teaching kids?


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    endacl
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    Hi, there is a possibility that I will get a criminal record for 3 arrests (drunk and disorderly/ aggression) and was just wondering will it effect my future of teaching kids?

    Theoretically, maybe not, depending on the attitude of the interviewing panel.

    Realistically though, you'll be up against hundreds for any advertised post. Most of those will be more experienced than you, and will not have a record.


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    roadsmart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    If you are teaching kids you will be Garda vetted, so they will definitely find out about it.


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    roadsmart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    Is there an echo in here?


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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    roadsmart wrote: »
    If you are teaching kids you will be Garda vetted, so they will definitely find out about it.

    I am aware that they will know about it, and I am not going to lie. However, I am not yet qualified and am wondering if there is any point in continuing, if there is a good chance I will not be given a job, due to my record.


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    GarIT
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    I would hope it does.


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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    GarIT wrote: »
    I would hope it does.

    Not here to be judged ... just looking for advice!


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    roadsmart
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 625 ✭✭✭roadsmart


    Sorry, can't answer that. I would ask you however that if you are for example one of ten candidates for a position and the other candidates haven't got 3 convictions for antisocial behaviour, how do you think it would go?


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    GarIT
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    Not here to be judged ... just looking for advice!

    I probably was a bit harsh but what's the point in Garda getting if it doesn't filter out the criminals. It would certainly be difficult to get a job in a field with such massive unemployment with a criminal conviction. When posts are getting 100+ applicants and the principal is looking to filter out CVs you have given a great reason there. The employment prospects for teachers probably will change with the economy improving and government spending increasing.


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    MisterKipling
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    first thing you'll have to apply for is garda clearance. you won't get teaching or working with children in any capacity in this country or others for that matter.


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    spurious
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    I taught alongside people who had been in prison. It depends what the offence is and how long ago. Violence or anything sexual would not be good.

    It might be worth running the question past the teaching unions.


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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    spurious wrote: »
    I taught alongside people who had been in prison. It depends what the offence is and how long ago. Violence or anything sexual would not be good.

    It might be worth running the question past the teaching unions.

    In what situation were you working though? e.g. with vulnerable people (elderly/ kids) as I know they are strict about these age groups especially!


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    GarIT
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    It wont help with Garda vetting but if you've had three arrests all drink relates you really need to go to rehab and follow it up with AA it would certainly help your employment prospects.


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    spurious
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    I taught with people with criminal records. It depends on the offence and when it happened.

    Here are the TC guidelines on it:
    http://www.teachingcouncil.ie/_fileupload/Garda%20Vetting/Amended%20and%20%20ApprovedGuidelines%20mem%20AssessCourtConvictions%2017%20Sep%202012%20kel.pdf

    Was this also asked in another forum? Thought I answered it a few minutes ago.


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    spurious
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    In what situation were you working though? e.g. with vulnerable people (elderly/ kids) as I know they are strict about these age groups especially!

    Teaching in a school.


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    fireball69
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    GarIT wrote: »
    It wont help with Garda vetting but if you've had three arrests all drink relates you really need to go to rehab and follow it up with AA it would certainly help your employment prospects.

    You see, I don't necessarily have a problem with drinking. It was just a few nights on the tear that i ended up over-consuming, but it's not a common habit. I have done exceptionally well on teaching practice, and just hope my whole future is not jeopardised, basic on 3 nights where I wasn't thinking straight!


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    braddun
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    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/monitoring_and_surveillance_at_work/garda_clearance_for_employees.html


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    looksee
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    can I teach with criminal record

    No doubt you can, whether you would be permitted is another question.


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    fireball69
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    spurious wrote: »
    Teaching in a school.

    That's interesting. I suppose it does depend on a variety of factors, such as the number of people applying for a position, the interviewing panel, etc.


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    Mongfinder General
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    Were you just arrested or actually convicted?


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    GarIT
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    You see, I don't necessarily have a problem with drinking. It was just a few nights on the tear that i ended up over-consuming, but it's not a common habit. I have done exceptionally well on teaching practice, and just hope my whole future is not jeopardised, basic on 3 nights where I wasn't thinking straight!

    Personally I'd disagree, you can't be arrested for D&D without having a problem. If it was 1 I'd say maybe it was a mistake but by the third I'd say it's a problem.


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    spurious
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    That's interesting. I suppose it does depend on a variety of factors, such as the number of people applying for a position, the interviewing panel, etc.

    The main thing would be the nature of the offence. Repeat offences would not be good, but as I said, there's a lot more to it. People are becoming teachers later and later now and often some of them will have had a colourful youth, which could be 20 or more years ago now.


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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    Mongfinder General wrote: »
    Were you just arrested or actually convicted?

    Arrested twice. No conviction (just a caution). 3rd arrest - waiting for court date, and possible conviction.


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    tayto lover
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    Why did you start two threads on this?


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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Why did you start two threads on this?

    completely by mistake! wasn't sure how to remove the second one! :S


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    Mongfinder General
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    Arrested twice. No conviction (just a caution). 3rd arrest - waiting for court date, and possible conviction.



    The school will do due diligence checks but if you do not have a criminal record then they can't disclose one.


    I am not sure how a caution fits in. The school should ask you for permission first before enquiring into your history.


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    pablo128
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    spurious wrote: »
    The main thing would be the nature of the offence. Repeat offences would not be good, but as I said, there's a lot more to it. People are becoming teachers later and later now and often some of them will have had a colourful youth, which could be 20 or more years ago now.

    My secondary English teacher, who was a professor of English, was a former member of the IRA. She had served 6 years in prison for armed robbery.


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    smcgiff
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    fireball69 wrote: »
    Arrested twice. No conviction (just a caution). 3rd arrest - waiting for court date, and possible conviction.

    If this was me I'd have signed up with AA before the court date. Get over that first.


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    #30
    fire_man
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    Hi op.did you not learn after first or second time you were caught?


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    fireball69
    Registered Users Posts: 20 ✭fireball69


    fire_man wrote: »
    Hi op.did you not learn after first or second time you were caught?

    I thought I had. I had done so well staying out of trouble, and i don't know what happened. It was over something stupid! I am kicking myself that I let it happen again!


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