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Fantasy Sports Arena 2015 Feedback thread **Mod warning post 121**
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wow - calm down i always just check the teams on bbc, and to be honest i doubt others can't do this either, i could understand a gambling website being banned at work, but if you can get access to boards, you probably have access to bbc.
My tongue in cheek remark was because poster said should create twitter account for all teams and get the latest starting news there, i'm fairly sure team twitters also provide updates of all games too, so you'd get as much info from twitter as you would from a thread on here.
I wasn't calling you lazy, I was just saying that some posters can be! No offence intended
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Just to clarify though, I wasn't suggesting people don't post the teams. Just that this forum is a secondary source of information which isn't really manned by any dedicated stats compiler moreso the good will of many, and there won't always be someone posting them, so people should have primary information sources.
Unfortunately that was picked up on and twisted by an overly aggressive poster looking for a row.
I assume your talking about me here, i have no idea why you think i'm looking for a row, you stated that you believe people should create a twitter account and follow the 20 teams in order to get the team news.
I made a tongue in cheek remark that if people did this as suggested by you, that there would be then no need for a match day thread, as we would get all the information we needed, who got booked, scored/assisted etc from the twitter accounts.
I actually don't see the issues surrounding the way the teams are currently posted in the threads. if you want the team news faster than go to bbc/twitter or whatever but no need to change the thread or make more work for the OP (though it would probably see them opening later and later instead of earlier
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I'm not about to delve into an argument with you on a feedback thread, so I'll keep it to feedback. The same would apply to goal updates. It is great that we've people like finnharpsboy who are ridiculously quick in with the goals and assisters, but that isn't actually the purpose of the thread either, its a discussion thread.I assume your talking about me here, i have no idea why you think i'm looking for a row, you stated that you believe people should create a twitter account and follow the 20 teams in order to get the team news.
I made a tongue in cheek remark that if people did this as suggested by you, that there would be then no need for a match day thread, as we would get all the information we needed, who got booked, scored/assisted etc from the twitter accounts.
I actually don't see the issues surrounding the way the teams are currently posted in the threads. if you want the team news faster than go to bbc/twitter or whatever but no need to change the thread or make more work for the OP (though it would probably see them opening later and later instead of earlier)
So yeah I think people should have a primary source of information (imo Twitter is the best one) for that too, but because of the quality of the updates posted by some on here you could probably get away with just the thread.
That is a testament to the quality of posting on here, rather than being a service the forum specifically needs to provide, which comes back to the criticism which has been levelled in relation to other aspects of the forum. The more lazy posters relying on the better posters to spoonfeed their information to them.
There are so many primary sources out there, that is where the guys who post on here get it from. I'm sure you know this already which made your not so tongue in cheek rolleyes post all the more strange.0 -
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Very good summary Nody :cool:.
Since I haven't posted yet in here I'll start by commenting on each of these points. And add whatever I can think of afterwards...
1. FAQ is a good idea. Newcomers will have no excuse for asking basic questions (which can "pollute" threads). FAQ could consist of:- a link towards the game rules official page specifying that both "Frequently Asked Questions" & "Rules" tab shall be consulted. 99% of the answers you'd be seeking are there. It just requires a little effort and time.
- a few FSA "nicestness" about popular misunderstandings of the official rules e.g. any saved transfer will be lost if you play your WC ; you can activate your WC anytime during the GW you chose to play it and yes it will wipe out all your previous, present and future transfers in this given GW ; the transparency of the current Bonus Points system could be addressed here too by posting the full detail of how it is calculated...
- a few season updates on how the game is working/changing e.g. the price change system this year which doesn't include WC transfers anymore.
- a few links to popular FPL related sites. I think this thread did/does exist but is probably buried in the umpteenth page so it may be wiser to include it in the overall FAQ sticky...
It could be organised by category like price change predictions sites (FFF, FPLS, fiso, totalfpl), general info site (FFS, FFCheat...), FPL stats sites (FPL Discovery, FFF, FPL Statistico tool), useful twitters (Ben Dinnery FFS twitter, FPL official twitter...) etc...
I'm not sure the tags system would work here. We'd end up with the same amount of FPL related threads and the [FPL] tag will not make it that much easier to find the [6N] or [Autumn Tests] threads.
This leads me to 3.
3. This point is closely linked with 2. I think one of these solutions should be applied. If it's decided sub-forums are the way to go, I don't see it necessary to regroup the weekly threads into superthreads. Since we'd have a fully FPL-dedicated forum, the already existing superthreads would continue to be fed on a daily basis and the weekly ones will slowly make their way to the second page and beyond. A few threads (e.g. GK selection, Christmas preparation...) will continue to "suffer" from it and could be relegated to the second page but I don't see it as a major issue. Maybe to sort that out and avoid the creation/use of threads serving similar purposes, a sticky could be added (and updated from time to time by the mod) with a list of the long term active threads and what they are about if it's not obvious. That should prevent us from creating similar threads a few months apart and lead us to (better) post and discuss our matter in the most appropriate thread.
And If we don't go for sub-forums, superthreads could be created. I have to be honest and say that I'd largely prefer the first option. The GWs-dedicated threads work fine as they are IMO and if we could regroup the Transfers and Matchday ones we can not do it for the captain poll. I know it's a very minor detail but it is sometimes interesting to go back to the weekly threads from the previous seasons. Superthreads would impede that.
4. Ok with the solution here. Having our FPL ID in our sig may be interesting though as long as any point is argumented, rankings is absolutely irrelevant to the debate.
5. OK with the solution here. Same issue than the "lol at xxx owners" which was well dealt with by Futureguy earlier on in the season.
6. Not sure I get this one. If it is to be edited within 24h what's the point? We can get this info easily and early enough from a few twitter accounts and from the BBC website.
In principle that'd be a nice little info at the start of the Matchday thread but in practice a nightmare to apply wouldn't it? The OP and/or the mods would be slaves to the team line-up official announcements
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7. I have no pb with that. I don't think we ever had abusively early opened threads. The one from this GW is a genuine mistake from the OP. Nothing wrong about it. I understand that GW transfers threads are opened very early (I mean between the 12:45 Sat game and the Monday night one, so many games have to be played that you can change your mind 10 times about iyour transfers) but in the meantime price change can force your hand to move on a player as soon as Saturday eve and it's natural that FSA allows you to discuss it in the appropriate thread.
Hi folks,not had enough time to date to put a few thoughts together for this excellent thread, so sorry for being somewhat late to the party. Doing it now to save half a day lost when I get back to work tomorrow!
I'm quoting Iroceds response to Nody as a I agree with most of what he says.
Agree fully on 1 and 2, as well as 4 & 5 where Iroced has nailed it above I think, particularly regarding the proposed sticky and what to put in it. Having the sticky won't stamp out lazy posts, but at least will allow mods to give people a gentle nudge towards that sticky without having to come down hard, unless a poster is repeatedly asking lazy questions.
I also agree with something MrP said to about avoiding a proliferation of stickies. I think the recent warning from Futureguy this season could be removed now and a version incorporated into an updated Charter, then the FAQ Sticky and the Paid Sites Warning (could this be merged into the charter and highlighted therein too at this stage? I dunno) would be the only stickies.
Regarding no 6, this is not an issue IMO, accessing team lineups in the matchday thread is easily done really. You're generally scrolling through the thread from where you last read it anyway, and you come across them. Plus. I am also a Luddite, but even I gave in (as I said on the other thread) and joined twitter this week. You don't need to follow every club twitter (although I'm doing this for now to see how it goes), follow Ben Dinnery and favourite him and he retweets the lineups from the clubs and you'll get them notified to you directly minutes after they come out. Many FPL dedicated websites' twitters do the same I think. If you have fotmob you can get them. There are many many ways to get the lineups within minutes to make this a non issue as regards this forum. I'd remove it from the list to be honest.
I also think 7 is a bit of a non issue personally. I don't care when transfers or match day threads are opened, but it is deemed a significant problem by others I have no issue with the proposed solution either.
Which brings me to 3 where I have a slightly different opinion to my French colleague. I do think higher number of threads is, let's say, somewhat messy. There are a lot of weekly threads, and general super threads and it's hard to know, even when you're posting here for a while, what to put where.
Questions like "which 2 defenders from these three do I play this week" for example....is that "rating my team" or "general FPL"? It's not really "GWwhatever transfers", although that's where it most often gets posted. It's probably appropriate for the Matchday thread,but that's not open yet cause it's only Thursday.
Or for another example, I read that Hazard is doubtful for Chelsea's next game. That can end up being posted in the weekly transfers thread more often than not. Partly because the dedicated "injuries thread" is now on page 2.
What I'd tentatively suggest is a multifunction GW super thread which could be dedicated to anything relating to people's teams for that particular Gameweek including Matchday updates. It would replace the GW Transfers and Matchday threads, and could also pull in stuff regarding team selections, team news relating to that week including more contemporary injury/suspensions relating to that week (as opposed to more longer term stuff such as "latest is Aguero out for 6 weeks" or "Walcott back in training, may be back GW22" which is for the dedicated injuries thread).
I'd suggest the title of this thread should be standardised to indicate it's targeted content - e.g. GW24 Thread (team selection, transfers, team news, Matchday). The bracketed part could be added by a mod if not done by the thread starter.
I would also think that the weekly captain poll is a different, more specific topic and should retain it's own thread and poll. It's very clear already what goes in it.
I realise this will only reduce the thread count by one thread per week, but I suppose my point is not necessarily about the quantity, but more about clarity of what information you will find where, and where is best to ask your question or post your nugget of news.
Also, the rate my team thread kind of crosses over a lot of the other threads. In particular at the minute people on wildcards are using this thread and the Jan Wildcard Thread for the same purpose, again down to lack of clarity. In my opinion the RMT Thread is mainly useful preseason when people are picking an entire team, and have a wide variety of strategies and players they are toying over. That the RMT Thread then hangs about all season only means it's not clear where to post transfer thoughts for your weekly FT, and new or non regular oysters won't have clarity (that word again!). For example you often see people playing their wildcard laying out their options on the General Thread or the weekly Transfers thread.
Proposed solution - have a 2014/15 Preseason RMT thread and lock it once the season starts. Have a 2014/15 Wildcarding RMT Thread which runs throughout the season for people on wildcard. A separate Jan Wildcard thread (as we currently have) would do no harm as it would allow a dedicated discussion on Jan WC strategy as well. Lock it from Feb onwards and let it fade away though.
Again this is more threads not less, but conjunction with the other suggestions above would IMO lead to more clarity as to what to post where, and the threads I'm suggesting replace each other as the year progresses. This clarity would also I'd imagine be helpful to mods, as if something turns up where is shouldn't (e.g. Wildcard RMT post on general thread) then it's easy to just move it to where it should go.
I think the proliferation of on forum league threads are harmless, newbies won't be long realising what they are about. You easily enough just ignore the ones not relevant to you. I think overall the main core threads could be:- GW Superthread as above.
- GW Captain poll
- RMT thread for Wildcarders
- General Thread for non specific FPL related news and views.
- Injuries and suspensions thread for longer shelf life news (as opposed to stuff just related to the current GW)
- Cups/European comps thread.
Other topics such as "replacing Aguero" or "Costa conundrum" will come and go naturally, as will general questions like "high point of your season" etc.
That's my super post done. Just to add that there is nothing fundamentally wrong here, modding is excellent, messing and arguing almost non existent. I don't do Internet forums for a long long time but have nearly 3,500 posts here in a year and a half, which says it all.
The above thoughts are more about me liking order and efficiency, and think they would help make posting here more intuitive for all.0 - a link towards the game rules official page specifying that both "Frequently Asked Questions" & "Rules" tab shall be consulted. 99% of the answers you'd be seeking are there. It just requires a little effort and time.
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Missed Nody's post earlier and the responses.
Agree with FHFC and his post.
But I would have a serious problem with having a link to our FPL team in our sig. It'd be compulsory I assume?
I'm actually not that familiar with the sig.
I'm a sig Luddite
Wouldn't this mean that our FPL link is also included in posts on other forums?
I'm not in favour of anyone haven't such ease in finding out my real name tbh.
I don't mind regulars here seeing it. I've nothing to hide either But it's a bit much having my real name available so easily anytime I post.
Most forum regulars are involved in the forum leagues. We can all do our own research. We all have a fair idea of people's history. We also post our weekly rankings. There's plenty of info there already.
There's a lot of talk about lazy posters. The last time the ranking question came up was from a guy that pops in here occasionally, he wouldn't need to ask if he was putting in the same time / effort as ourselves.
Putting a quick link for any passer by to see our full identity is something that's overkill imo and I would actually switch to a lurker rather than doing that.
I'm not sure it has been thought through either... Would it not be an absolute nightmare to manage / moderate?
Would an access request type sub forum be needed to ensure that new posters have their sig set up in advance of posting....0 -
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I hear odds on FHFC becoming the next mod have been slashed in the past hour after that post :pac:
An excellent detailed look on things and think i agree with most/ all of it that I remember anyway.
He actually reminded me of something that crossed my mind months ago about the transfers thread. It's basically the buildup to the following Gameweek thread yet it's almost restricted to transfers. I still like the separation of build up and match day, even just for that freshness on a Saturday morning but I think we could look at the transfer thread as becoming more than just transfer related. Even just the change in title could free up the thread and might reduce some of the other threads that crop up. It should still be free to open from 11:31 on Saturdays for posters to use as a sounding board discussion if they so wish.
Captains poll would stay separate as that works greatl. I think all captaincy polls should have the option to see who posters have actually voted for. It mostly is but some weeks it's not. Not that you can really enforce that just thinking out loud with that. We have to operate within boards infrastructure levels anyway but that's a great weekly tool.
Once again I agree with PARlance who echoed what I said earlier about team IDs becoming visible. It's not viable and will only deter people from posting, myself potentially included. I spout on enough as it is so people know not to listen to me 0 -
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I'd disagree. Anyone who does that is a hindrance to the forum.
I missed the Austin moment thankfully (had him captained) and would have rightly p*ssed off if I seen it pop up live.
But I still wouldn't perma ban.
We all make mistakes and the great thing about this forum is that posters generally inform people of the error of their ways.
Some may class that as back seat modding but I just see it as common sense (decreasing the workload for the mods too) and it prevails more often that not.
There was an incident when a non regular decided to post an update of the Irish Rugby match v Australia in a GW thread. I had it recording and had managed to avoid all forms of updates until then. To say I was annoyed was an understatement. I think I may have let him know this
Straight away people let him know (nicely) why it was a stupid thing to do, and he quickly apologised. I ended up forgetting my annoyance with him and nearly felt bad because he got a bit of stick and for being annoyed in the place
It's great to see the forum work like that imo. I think perma bans are a bit heavy handed. These posts are generally from non regulars that don't understand how nuts we are. And I don't think they're likely to "reoffend" with the way it runs at present.0 -
Mr.Prodston wrote: »He actually reminded me of something that crossed my mind months ago about the transfers thread. It's basically the buildup to the following Gameweek thread yet it's almost restricted to transfers. I still like the separation of build up and match day, even just for that freshness on a Saturday morning but I think we could look at the transfer thread as becoming more than just transfer related. Even just the change in title could free up the thread and might reduce some of the other threads that crop up. It should still be free to open from 11:31 on Saturdays for posters to use as a sounding board discussion if they so wish.
Captains poll would stay separate as that works greatl. I think all captaincy polls should have the option to see who posters have actually voted for. It mostly is but some weeks it's not. Not that you can really enforce that just thinking out loud with that. We have to operate within boards infrastructure levels anyway but that's a great weekly tool.
Once again I agree with PARlance who echoed what I said earlier about team IDs becoming visible. It's not viable and will only deter people from posting, myself potentially included. I spout on enough as it is so people know not to listen to meThe suggestion re team ID's in SIG's was not that it be mandatory. Also there's no need to put in a link just the number. See my SIG as an example, to non FSA users it wouldn't mean anything.
As I said in my post id be very much against any form of using past or current performance to invalidate or belittle an opinion and posts that do should be reported and moderated strictly
Regarding the Gameweek Thread, yeah, there is no reason why there could not be a separate Matchday thread as Mr P suggests, the main thrust of what I was thinking was how the Transfers thread is/should be more than a transfers thread. However I was looking at a single thread as a move towards somewhat reducing thread clutter, and also I think the 'Gameweek Buildup' thread will naturally merge into the Matchday stuff as we go on to Friday evening. People having decided their transfers, "here's how I line up for tomorrow" etc won't have to wait till the Matchday thread is set up.
Plus another bonus I hadn't been thinking about - it removes, or at least somewhat diffuses, the issue about when threads are started. A general gameweek thread can be started at 11.30 on Matchday as Mr P said. As its not a Transfers thread people won't be giving out that its too early to start planning transfers. And the matchday buildup posts can be posted at 12.30am on Friday night without annoying people too!
Regarding the Team ID thing, I didn't really refer to it earlier as again its not something thats an issue for me. I added mine to my sig as was being suggested, but thats because I dont post anywhere else on Boards. I totally see the lads points. Kevs suggestion of just ID number is a safer way if people want to do it.
But I don't think its something which can be enforced or even recommended really. Its liable to cause more of the unwanted type of references to peoples rank/history rather than to inform posters in a 'nice' way as to peoples history or pedigree in the game. Personally I'd avoid it the more I think about it. If people want to be selective about whose advice or views they hold in highest esteem I say make them do the work of getting to know the posters by participating in the forum. Lets not give them a shortcut to rankings/history to allow them to 'rate' a poster they haven't 'got to know' over time, and which can easily lead to snooty type comments if there are differences of opinion.
I've been knocking about here for a year and a half and I by now know from interacting with people whose opinions I might be influenced by, while in other cases seeing a certain posters name as last poster means I'm clicking into the thread not expecting any mindblowing advice. That's not from seeing their season history or current ranking, its from seeing over time whose views I tend to agree with and whose I don't. That changes constantly too as sometime I am proved wrong as people who I didn't heed are proved right. 0 -
I missed the Austin moment thankfully (had him captained) and would have rightly p*ssed off if I seen it pop up live.
But I still wouldn't perma ban.
We all make mistakes and the great thing about this forum is that posters generally inform people of the error of their ways.
Some may class that as back seat modding but I just see it as common sense (decreasing the workload for the mods too) and it prevails more often that not.
There was an incident when a non regular decided to post an update of the Irish Rugby match v Australia in a GW thread. I had it recording and had managed to avoid all forms of updates until then. To say I was annoyed was an understatement. I think I may have let him know this
Straight away people let him know (nicely) why it was a stupid thing to do, and he quickly apologised. I ended up forgetting my annoyance with him and nearly felt bad because he got a bit of stick and for being annoyed in the place
It's great to see the forum work like that imo. I think perma bans are a bit heavy handed. These posts are generally from non regulars that don't understand how nuts we are. And I don't think they're likely to "reoffend" with the way it runs at present.
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If people want to be selective about whose advice or views they hold in highest esteem I say make them do the work of getting to know the posters by participating in the forum. Lets not give them a shortcut to rankings/history to allow them to 'rate' a poster they haven't 'got to know' over time, and which can easily lead to snooty type comments if there are differences of opinion.
I've been knocking about here for a year and a half and I by now know from interacting with people whose opinions I might be influenced by [...]Iused2likebusts wrote: »Agree with fhfc you engage with the forum give your opinions and people will either agree with them or they won't. You will also get to know other posters and quickly identify posters who you think can be of help to you.If your new to the forum it will take a bit of time but if your posting good stuff you will quickly gain my interest. I have no interest in including my history in the game ive never gone and looked at anyone else's history as a way of deciding should I respect or listen to their opinion.
These 2 posts sum it up perfectly. In French the full term is "forum de discussions" (no translation needed
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Just one thing about the sig. I thought it would be seen at the bottom of each of your post
. FHFC mentioned he added his but I can't see anything. Have I disabled it by mistake?
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Finally I'd be on PARlance opinion regarding bans towards the Austin-jurisprudence. Permanent ban for a single offence sounds too hard to me. But it should be made clear that a second similar offence won't be tolerated and if so a permanent ban will be issued.0 -
These 2 posts sum it up perfectly. In French the full term is "forum de discussions" (no translation needed). So if you don't want to discuss (or at least read the discussions) just go some place else to find your info.
Just one thing about the sig. I thought it would be seen at the bottom of each of your post. FHFC mentioned he added his but I can't see anything. Have I disabled it by mistake?
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Finally I'd be on PARlance opinion regarding bans towards the Austin-jurisprudence. Permanent ban for a single offence sounds too hard to me. But it should be made clear that a second similar offence won't be tolerated and if so a permanent ban will be issued.
You can't see the sigs on mobile site. But also there is a setting in your profile somewhere to display sigs which was set to 'no' as default for me. I only changed it relatively recently.0 -
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