The George Redmond Judgement-Where to now...?

AlekSmart

With the re-emergence of George Redmond (and his legal team) just before Christmas,it now looks like we are in for a period of "instability" relating to all of those (allegedly) dodgy characters who strode across the Irish Political and Administrative stage in recent years....

Post GR,is anybody prepared to speculate on where "We" go from here..?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tribunal-fiasco-politicians-and-developers-will-be-paid-100m-30865794.html

conorh91

The Tribunal has undermined itself by creatively editing its own transcripts.

Anyone who had findings made against them should be concerned. We should all be concerned that the Tribunal acted in this way.

Sometimes in politics, people tend to go very quiet when a story emerges that doesn't suit their political bent.

And this story doesn't suit the view that certain people are corrupt, and with that, that Gogarty was an upstanding citizen, the much-lamented "plucky pensioner".

Well it seems that Gogarty was well capable of telling lies, and if the Tribunal has attempted to hide that fact, then the Tribunal is ultimately to blame for this mess, and its findings have been irreparably damaged and the Tribunal has lost credibility.

AlekSmart

conorh91 wrote: »

The Tribunal has undermined itself by creatively editing its own transcripts.

Anyone who had findings made against them should be concerned. We should all be concerned that the Tribunal acted in this way.

Sometimes in politics, people tend to go very quiet when a story emerges that doesn't suit their political bent.

And this story doesn't suit the view that certain people are corrupt, and with that, that Gogarty was an upstanding citizen, the much-lamented "plucky pensioner".

Well it seems that Gogarty was well capable of telling lies, and if the Tribunal has attempted to hide that fact, then the Tribunal is ultimately to blame for this mess, and its findings have been irreparably damaged and the Tribunal has lost credibility.

To my mind,this latest development pulls the rug from under the entire "Tribunal" gig as a whole.

Is there now an opening for a U.S. style Grand Jury process to take up the slack ?

conorh91

I'm not sure what a grand jury would manage to do. We've had grand juries in the past, and they were just an archaic safety net to filter out malicious prosecutions and blood feuds brought by private citizens. I have no idea why the USA has retained the grand jury system.

As things stand in Ireland, private citizens have the right to walk in off the street and commence criminal prosecutions for certain indictable offences in the District Court, including for the commission of theft and fraud offences.

The Grand Jury system would merely serve to hinder the commencement of criminal prosecutions by private citizens. Personally, I'd prefer the system retained, allowing private prosecutions to be commenced in a much more transparent and professional courtroom system, than have the prosecution assessed by a band of local 'upstanding' community leaders, many of whom may have an interest in protecting their chum -- I'd imagine many grand juries would have local councillors on their panels.

AlekSmart

conorh91 wrote: »

I'm not sure what a grand jury would manage to do. We've had grand juries in the past, and they were just an archaic safety net to filter out malicious prosecutions and blood feuds brought by private citizens. I have no idea why the USA has retained the grand jury system.

As things stand in Ireland, private citizens have the right to walk in off the street and commence criminal prosecutions for certain indictable offences in the District Court, including for the commission of theft and fraud offences.

The Grand Jury system would merely serve to hinder the commencement of criminal prosecutions by private citizens. Personally, I'd prefer the system retained, allowing private prosecutions to be commenced in a much more transparent and professional courtroom system, than have the prosecution assessed by a band of local 'upstanding' community leaders, many of whom may have an interest in protecting their chum -- I'd imagine many grand juries would have local councillors on their panels.

So with the GJ system ruled out,why are the vast numbers of our disaffected private citizens not taking this freely available legal route ?

From even a cursory browse of many "Anti" sites,one can find bone chilling accounts of widespread misery,penury and oppression,all coupled with various allegations of fraud,theft and misrepresentation.

Why therefore,has not even ONE major action,been initiated to definitively establish at least one guilty significant player ?

Surely these allegations MUST be legitimate.....?