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paulie21 · 11-01-2015 2:19pm

Rex Ryan is the new head coach of the Buffalo Bills

Onecoolcookie · 11-01-2015 2:22pm

paulie21 wrote: »

Rex Ryan is the new head coach of the Buffalo Bills

Stupid move from Rex, it's going to be Jets Mark II all over again in Buffalo, stellar defence with poor QB play holding them back. He had the chance to work with a franchise QB in Atlanta but he's just going down the same route again here. Can't see it being a success unless he hires a great OC and can find a starting QB somewhere :rolleyes:

Paully D · 11-01-2015 2:32pm

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Stupid move from Rex, it's going to be Jets Mark II all over again in Buffalo, stellar defence with poor QB play holding them back. He had the chance to work with a franchise QB in Atlanta but he's just going down the same route again here. Can't see it being a success unless he hires a great OC and can find a starting QB somewhere :rolleyes:

Was he offered the Atlanta (or any other teams) job though? Maybe he was, I haven't checked myself being honest. I would definitely have thought he would have gone for Atlanta if it was a straight choice, but maybe they indicated to him that he wasn't going get an offer?

helimachoptor · 11-01-2015 2:33pm

Yeah seems an odd decision for him tbh

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-01-2015 2:37pm

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Stupid move from Rex, it's going to be Jets Mark II all over again in Buffalo, stellar defence with poor QB play holding them back. He had the chance to work with a franchise QB in Atlanta but he's just going down the same route again here. Can't see it being a success unless he hires a great OC and can find a starting QB somewhere :rolleyes:

Not looking good for having a great oc, reason the bears weren't interested in him was he wanted Marc Trestman as his oc. Now, he had a good first year running our offense but it fell off a cliff this year.

Onecoolcookie · 11-01-2015 2:38pm

Paully D wrote: »

Was he offered the Atlanta (or any other teams) job though? Maybe he was, I haven't checked myself being honest. I would definitely have thought he would have gone for Atlanta if it was a straight choice, but maybe they indicated to him that he wasn't going get an offer?

It was strongly believed that he was Arthur Blank (the owner's) first choice all along, apparently he interviewed very well and made a good impression back when Mike Smith was hired. Reports also indicated he was being brought back for the final round of interviews with the Falcons this time around. Strange indeed.

Falcons really need to hire Todd Bowles now IMO or I'd start to get worried about the quality of the other candidates left.

Onecoolcookie · 11-01-2015 2:42pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Not looking good for having a great oc, reason the bears weren't interested in him was he wanted Marc Trestman as his oc. Now, he had a good first year running our offense but it fell off a cliff this year.

Yeah if he follows through with this, he really will be pinning all his hopes of success in Buffalo on Trestmann. Stupid hire by the Bills aswell, they already had the D set with Schwartz who had a terrific first season. Wonder will those two big personalities (Rex and Schwartz) be able to co-exist. Surely an offensive minded coach like Gase made most sense for the Bills.

paulie21 · 11-01-2015 2:51pm

Reports on Twitter suggest Rex was offered the job late last night, told the Falcons about the offer giving them time to respond but they didn't bother

Hazys · 11-01-2015 2:58pm

Seems like an almost identical situation to what he had with the Jets, no QB and a good defense. Even his bravado will have to work double time to convince FA agents to come to Buffalo.

Unless he strikes gold in the draft with a QB without a 1st rounder nonetheless, I don't see how it doesn't turn our much differently to his tenure at the Jets.

deise_boi · 11-01-2015 3:28pm

Reports saying Rex will be bringing in Greg Roman as OC and keeping with Schwartz too

11-01-2015 4:38pm

Onecoolcookie wrote: »

Yeah if he follows through with this, he really will be pinning all his hopes of success in Buffalo on Trestmann. Stupid hire by the Bills aswell, they already had the D set with Schwartz who had a terrific first season. Wonder will those two big personalities (Rex and Schwartz) be able to co-exist. Surely an offensive minded coach like Gase made most sense for the Bills.

well rex is definitely going to want to implement the ryan defense i can see schwartz leaving after year 1

Paully D · 11-01-2015 5:12pm

@AdamSchefter: Bears prepared to make a major push for Ravens OC Gary Kubiak, per source. Kubiak now free to talk with teams about HC vacancies.

Realt Dearg Sec · 11-01-2015 6:08pm

Paully D wrote: »

@AdamSchefter: Bears prepared to make a major push for Ravens OC Gary Kubiak, per source. Kubiak now free to talk with teams about HC vacancies.

Interesting. Wouldn't have expected us to go for an offensive guy.

ABajaninCork · 11-01-2015 6:44pm

Very interesting move. But didn't Kubiak say he wasn't interested in any of the HC roles? Or was he waiting for the Bears to call? :pac:

frostie500 · 11-01-2015 7:01pm

I think it could be a really good hire for the Bills. Like him or not Rex is still arguably the best coach available and despite having the axe hanging over him for the last three years he was still able to get his players to play for him. I think that it's easy to look at it and say that he's repeating the same mistakes of the Jets because he's going to a defence dominated team without a QB but when you take away the pressure of New York you'd have to imagine that the Bills will be a much more relaxed environment for a coach.

adrian522 · 11-01-2015 8:37pm

Todd Bowles to have a second interview with the 49ers. Interesting.

Paully D · 11-01-2015 9:00pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Todd Bowles to have a second interview with the 49ers. Interesting.

I'd like to see what he could do with that awful Falcons defense.

phatkev · 11-01-2015 11:19pm

so apparently Greg Roman is going to be Rex's OC in Buffalo! LOLZ

adrian522 · 11-01-2015 11:56pm

LOL Indeed. At least he wont be in SF.

mikemac1 · 12-01-2015 12:09am

paulie21 wrote: »

Reports on Twitter suggest Rex was offered the job late last night, told the Falcons about the offer giving them time to respond but they didn't bother

It's not that the Falcons didn't bother

Arthur Blanks mother died and the hiring process in Atlanta got stalled.

Rex Ryan decided not to wait for Atlanta

Chucky the tree · 12-01-2015 1:37am

John Fox has to be feeling a little toasty.

Paully D · 12-01-2015 1:41am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

John Fox has to be feeling a little toasty.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/wp/2015/01/11/john-fox-could-be-fired-if-broncos-lose-to-colts-report-says/

Broncos Coach John Fox might be available if the Broncos lose to the Colts, Fox Sports’ Jay Glazer reports.

12-01-2015 2:10am

phatkev wrote: »

so apparently Greg Roman is going to be Rex's OC in Buffalo! LOLZ

seriously????? this sounds like a piss take :eek:

Jolly Red Giant · 12-01-2015 1:27pm

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Very interesting move. But didn't Kubiak say he wasn't interested in any of the HC roles? Or was he waiting for the Bears to call? :pac:

Kubiak is waiting for the Broncos to decide about Fox. If Fox goes then expect Kubiak to be Elway's first call.

Jolly Red Giant · 12-01-2015 2:24pm

Rumours floating around that the Broncos might trade Fox to the Falcons for a draft pick - and then hire Kubiak.

spiralism · 12-01-2015 2:35pm

Why do we want Kubiak so badly? There's a serious hard on amongst the entire Broncos fanbase for him and he's not even that good, he got ran out of houston and only once had them looking even above average.

Chucky the tree · 12-01-2015 3:21pm

Falcons replacing a coach who sucked in the play-offs with a coach who sucks in the play-offs is pretty comical. Broncos doing the exact same is even more hilarious! :pac: Re-hiring Josh McDaniels would be only thing to top that.

Jolly Red Giant · 12-01-2015 3:26pm

spiralism wrote: »

Why do we want Kubiak so badly? There's a serious hard on amongst the entire Broncos fanbase for him and he's not even that good, he got ran out of houston and only once had them looking even above average.

Kubiak is one of only three potential HCs with significant experience - he is also the best of what is available. He took a poor and disorganised new franchise and built them (over a number of years) into a consistent and solid play-off team. His last season in Heuston was marked by 'one of those years' that can happen in any coach's career.

The primary reason why is being touted as a replacement for Fox (if Fox leaves) is because of his relationship with Elway. During Elway's career Kubiak was much more than a back-up QB and was effectively Elway's QB coach and sideline co-ordinator. Much of Elway's success in Denver as QB was down to Kubiak's ability to analyse what the defence was doing and advise Elway on adjustments.

Many Denver fans would also like to see Kubiak back in order to bring back the zone blocking scheme that was so successful in Denver. Kubiak, like Elway, understand the need for a solid and effective running game for a team to be elite.

I think it would be a good move - if Manning were to retire. I also think the idea of Fox going to Atlanta would be a very good move for both the coach and the Falcons.

spiralism · 12-01-2015 3:38pm

Fox is a good coach for stability and building a team from the ground up, but he'll never win a super bowl. He just gets outcoached badly and adjusts terribly against elite opposition. In all fairness, these Broncos teams the past three seasons have been absolutely stacked and what have we got from it?

I'm gonna quote a post on reddit that sums it up brilliantly re: Fox

....I think it's safe to say the difference between top teams and us is coaching, and by coaching I mean preparation, like we have said a lot in the past months, more than playcalling (even though it's bad too).
I once read an article, related to the play of the Saints after the bounty scandal and Payton's suspension, that said that the NFL isn't a QB-league, it's a coaching league, and I completely agree.
This game (along with the last SB) and this team are great examples of the role of preparation in the NFL, and the fact that it's not just a matter of putting the most talented players on the field.
You have to prepare and adapt to the opponent, always trying to stay one step ahead. Since last year's great regular season, helped by a weak schedule, this staff has only made this team stay one step behind.
Preparation is everything. You only have a week to prepare the plays you think will work. You need to have a good gameplan. Then you can adapt some things, but the main plan has to put players in a position where they can play to their strenghts.
Fox and Gase don't do that. Del Rio is less bad, but it's hard to notice that we may allow 5 points less a game if we score 15 less (not real stats, made up to get my point across).
What does Pagano have for Luck ? Hilton and nothing else, yet the passing game thrives. He had to shuffle his OL, yet they were efficient. Us ? We have one of the best receiving corps in the NFL, yet we make them do the same things over and over again, and we have no answer for simple press coverage. After getting bullied in the SB, we shuffle our OL, several times, and the result is worse each time.
If we compare top teams, is there a big difference in roster talent ? You can argue about that player or that one, but overall, no way. But compare Fox to Bellichick, Carroll, Harbaugh ? That's the difference.
We could and can sure consider ourselves lucky to be as good as we are, even if we didn't win the SB. We are thankful for everyone's effort. But with talent comes expectations, and with this talent, we expect more. Now we have enough evidence in enough situations to evaluate where the problem comes from, where the difference lies between us and teams that make it.

phatkev · 12-01-2015 4:14pm

So Rex is officially the new Bills head coach, cant see how him and Schwartz are going to coexist on the same team

adrian522 · 12-01-2015 4:23pm

Should be fun, pity they won't be on hard knocks.

Hazys · 12-01-2015 4:34pm

phatkev wrote: »

So Rex is officially the new Bills head coach, cant see how him and Schwartz are going to coexist on the same team

Yeah same here. Schwartz effectively gets demoted to Assistant Defensive Coordinator.

spiralism · 12-01-2015 4:46pm

Hazys wrote: »

Yeah same here. Schwartz effectively gets demoted to Assistant Defensive Coordinator.

Job may well become available at Denver though, don't rule it out. Del Rio is favourite for the Oakland gig.

TO. · 12-01-2015 5:24pm

Can't see Schwartz sticking around in Buffalo now. Something else will most likely make him leave there.

SameOleJay · 12-01-2015 8:03pm

If Fox goes it'll be Gase replacing him. If Kubiak were in any way interested he wouldn't have had that press release- it'd make no sense.

And yeah totally agree with the above. Rex and Schwartz won't wash. I'd take Schwartz in a second too.

Realt Dearg Sec · 12-01-2015 8:10pm

SameOleJay wrote: »

I'd take Schwartz in a second too.

What, to the Bears? You must be cracked, he's a liability.

And a tool. But mainly a liability.

Jolly Red Giant · 12-01-2015 8:37pm

SameOleJay wrote: »

If Fox goes it'll be Gase replacing him. If Kubiak were in any way interested he wouldn't have had that press release- it'd make no sense.

Two things I will guarantee -

1. Gase will not become the Broncos HC if Fox leaves - no way Elway hires a rookie HC - if anyone on the Broncos staff is promoted it would be Del Rio.

2. If Elway wants Kubiak then Kubiak becomes Broncos HC - Kubiak has always claimed that there are only two teams he ever wanted to HC - Houston and Denver. The press release will be irrelevant if Elway phones (and I suspect was actually a signal to the Broncos that Denver is the only place he would go).

SameOleJay · 12-01-2015 8:59pm

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

What, to the Bears? You must be cracked, he's a liability.

And a tool. But mainly a liability.

I'd take him. He's one of the better co-ordinators and I thought he kept a low profile all year. Well, that one moronic incident aside.

SameOleJay · 12-01-2015 9:01pm

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Two things I will guarantee -

1. Gase will not become the Broncos HC if Fox leaves - no way Elway hires a rookie HC - if anyone on the Broncos staff is promoted it would be Del Rio.

2. If Elway wants Kubiak then Kubiak becomes Broncos HC - Kubiak has always claimed that there are only two teams he ever wanted to HC - Houston and Denver. The press release will be irrelevant if Elway phones (and I suspect was actually a signal to the Broncos that Denver is the only place he would go).

That sounds like a whole lotta conjecture to me.

If he wanted to coach Denver there'd have been no release. End of story. Also, are you telling me Manning, at 40, will be willing to take on a new offence? And if Manning does leave you think Kubiak will take on a gig with a qb with no experience?

Jolly Red Giant · 12-01-2015 9:30pm

SameOleJay wrote: »

If he wanted to coach Denver there'd have been no release. End of story.

Conjecture - to a degree yes - but there are countless examples of potential HCs ruling themselves out of jobs and then being appointed. I guarantee you that if Elway wants Kubiak then Kubiak will become the Broncos HC. The relationship between Elway and Kubiak goes back to when Kubiak drafted by the Broncos.

Also, are you telling me Manning, at 40, will be willing to take on a new offence?

I think Fox and Manning are joined at the hip and if one goes, both will go. Manning will not play for a new HC.

And if Manning does leave you think Kubiak will take on a gig with a qb with no experience?

yes - Kubiak would come in as part of a long-term plan. Elway went all in to win the SB now with Manning - that gamble is over. However, Elway has been very astute in how he has built the roster and most of the pieces are in place to maintain the Broncos as an elite team. Furthermore, Kubiak is very good at developing QBs.

I am not sold on Kubiak coming in to replace Fox - but I can see the thinking behind it.

UnitedIrishman · 12-01-2015 11:14pm

Fox and Broncos have parted company - Jay Glazer.

ABajaninCork · 12-01-2015 11:16pm

So does that mean that Kubiak will move up? Or will it be Del Rio?

Realt Dearg Sec · 12-01-2015 11:22pm

ABajaninCork wrote: »

So does that mean that Kubiak will move up? Or will it be Del Rio?

Kubiak has already said he's not going anywhere, and conjecture aside I'd be amazed if he did.

adrian522 · 12-01-2015 11:55pm

Ian Rapoport &#10004 wrote: »

The #49ers are expected to meet with and make a final push for #Broncos OC Adam Gase tonight, source said.

Not sure what to think about this.

Alfred Borden · 12-01-2015 11:57pm

All Broncos coaching staff are gone according to twitter. Wow fair play to Elway, cleaning the mess up straight away. I expect Manning to go soon now after Gase and Fox both moving on.

Realt Dearg Sec · 13-01-2015 12:02am

Raf32 wrote: »

All Broncos coaching staff are gone according to twitter. Wow fair play to Elway, cleaning the mess up straight away. I expect Manning to go soon now after Gase and Fox both moving on.

I wouldn't mind my team being in a mess like the Broncos...

Alfred Borden · 13-01-2015 12:03am

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

I wouldn't mind my team being in a mess like the Broncos...

They were in a coaching mess though, fox is extremely average. If they had better they would have a Superbowl in the last three years.

matthew8 · 13-01-2015 12:18am

NFL teams can do a lot worse than John Fox. How many coaches take 2 different teams to the super bowl or win a playoff game with Tim Tebow at QB? Maybe it was time for him to split with the Broncos but if my team needed a coach I'd be happy to hire him.

Jolly Red Giant · 13-01-2015 12:27am

Fox was the right person at the right time for the Broncos to stabilise and then progress the team after the McDaniels disaster. He deserves massive credit for this accomplishment. However, there was clearly a growing feeling within the Broncos and with Fox himself that he had taken the team as far as he could.

I think this was the right decision at the right time and demonstrated once again that when necessary Elway will act decisively in an effort to improve the team. I expect Fox to get another job very quickly if he is interested.

I suspect that Elway will look to some experience although there is a limited number of people out there. Del Rio appears to be top candidate for the Raiders and will interview for a second time tomorrow. I expect Gase to jump at a job if offered because if the rumours are true he won't be in Denver for long.

If Elway thinks Kubiak is the man I would expect that to be sorted quite quickly and if Kubiak becomes HC then I would expect Rick Dennison to follow him in as OC. The big question is who will be the DC - and I expect they will target a DC who likes a physical, in your face, approach which would suit the talent Denver has on defence.

Last point - I suspect that Fox leaving will also mean that Manning is done in Denver.

Jolly Red Giant · 13-01-2015 12:43am

Confirmed that all the coaching staff in Denver have been released - Elway is cleaning house. Apparently Manning wanted Gase as HC (probably felt the only way he would be back) - and that could be the reason that Elway released all the coaches.

Elway has been ruthless - he doesn't accept standing still - and that is what was happening with Fox. It is going to be a very interesting week or so in Denver. (Rex Ryan must be kicking himself for jumping into the Bills with both feet)

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