Black Monday

Alfred Borden

Quinn to the Broncos I feel. Could suit them perfect. Dont think Gase would be a good HC.

Jolly Red Giant

Raf32 wrote: »

Quinn to the Broncos I feel.

Adam Schefter (who normally has inside info on the Broncos) is saying that Quinn is top of the Broncos list.

Alfred Borden

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Adam Schefter (who normally has inside info on the Broncos) is saying that Quinn is top of the Broncos list.

Would be a perfect fit imo. Him with that D and if he could get one more year out of Manning, hard to not see Broncos being close again.

j8wk2feszrnpao

No surprise to see Fox gone. A deer in headlights during yesterday's game, just as it was in the SB. Manning was awful, yet they persisted with the long shots that never looked like connecting.

A team built to win now was handed to him; Elway cuts ties.

spiralism

Delighted Fox is gone, the right choice in all fairness. Quinn is an unknown but he also co-ordinated a SB winning defence so there's that. Ryan would be who i'd want but he's obviously gone.

Just glad Fox is gone, he did well stabilising a mess of a team but had long since shown he wasn't up to the standard at the highest level and we need to move on if we want a championship

Also, keep an eye out for Schwartz to Denver as DC ...you heard it here first

adrian522

Only issue with Quinn is essentially that he implemented the defense of Pete Carroll and it is unknown ho much input he really had. As with all the coordinators it is unknown how well he would do at HC.


Jim Tomsula is now being spoken about as a the 49ers top internal candidate which I find a bit concerning. The talk is also of Josh mcDaniels staying in New England.

Jolly Red Giant

adrian522 wrote: »

Only issue with Quinn is essentially that he implemented the defense of Pete Carroll and it is unknown ho much input he really had. As with all the coordinators it is unknown how well he would do at HC.

It appears that Quinn has the personality to be a HC and that is what is attracting the interest.

Personally I am leaning towards Kubiak - he prioritises the running game, is good at developing QBs and would install a West Coast type of offence that would be of significant benefit to Osweiler as it plays directly into his talents. On top of that he would likely bring in Dennison as OC who would sort out the OL. I also think spiralism could be right about Schwartz

adrian522 wrote: »

Jim Tomsula is now being spoken about as a the 49ers top internal candidate which I find a bit concerning. The talk is also of Josh mcDaniels staying in New England.

There seems to be a certain trend developing -

Del Rio to the Raiders
Gase to the 49ers
Fox to the Falcons
Bowles/Cable to the Bears
Marrone to the Jets

The Broncos are the plumb job on offer and will probably get whoever they want - with Quinn appearing to be top of the list. If the Broncos talk to Kubiak this week I expect him to be HC - if not then I expect it to be Quinn (and Rex Ryan must be kicking himself as he would have probably been the top candidate).

Lastly - everyone seems to be figuring out that McD is not HC material - no one wants a rerun of his disastrous tenure in Denver.

adrian522

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

It appears that Quinn has the personality to be a HC and that is what is attracting the interest.

Personally I am leaning towards Kubiak - he prioritises the running game, is good at developing QBs and would install a West Coast type of offence that would be of significant benefit to Osweiler as it plays directly into his talents. On top of that he would likely bring in Dennison as OC who would sort out the OL. I also think spiralism could be right about Schwartz


There seems to be a certain trend developing -

Del Rio to the Raiders
Gase to the 49ers
Fox to the Falcons
Bowles/Cable to the Bears
Marrone to the Jets

The Broncos are the plumb job on offer and will probably get whoever they want - with Quinn appearing to be top of the list. If the Broncos talk to Kubiak this week I expect him to be HC - if not then I expect it to be Quinn (and Rex Ryan must be kicking himself as he would have probably been the top candidate).

Lastly - everyone seems to be figuring out that McD is not HC material - no one wants a rerun of his disastrous tenure in Denver.

Not sure about people "figuring out" JMcD is not HC material. In SF he wouldn't have control over the things he had control of in Denver.

Lastly, the Broncos as the "plump job", really? With all those FA's and Manning possibly/probably gone, an unknown quantity at QB, I think you are overstating how attractive that position is.

Chucky the tree

Broncos HC position is less attractive than the Bills if you take Manning off the Broncos.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Broncos are the plumb job on offer and will probably get whoever they want

You are massively overstating this and I agree with adrian522, lots of issues to get sorted before a HC could decide on taking the job.

adrian522 wrote: »

Not sure about people "figuring out" JMcD is not HC material. In SF he wouldn't have control over the things he had control of in Denver.

JRG has on going issues with McDaniel's time at Denver and feels the need to poke at him numerous times.

SameOleJay

Jolly we'll get to see who's right by the looks of things.... according to Schefter Denver will request a Kubiak interview.

adrian522

Vic Fangio putting it out there that he will leave if he is not the HC or working under Mike Shanahan.

@Mikesilver wrote:

I'm told word in coaching circles is 49ers DC Vic Fangio now wants out of SF unless he gets HC job... or Mike Shanahan does.

SameOleJay

Give him the gig and throw a fortune at the best OC available.

This isn’t the trainwreck New York or Chicago have- continuity is fine for the 9ers.

Pudsy33

Hands off Kubiak. ...

adrian522

I agree, he has said Kyle Shanahan would be his first choice at OC.

I certainly don't see any sense in giving the HC job to an outside defensive guy. Either an offensive HC or Fangio are the options they should be looking at.

spiralism

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Broncos HC position is less attractive than the Bills.

Eh? This Broncos team is still stacked and even if Manning calls it a day that puts them on about a par with Buffalo

Lot of talk doing the rounds that the Broncos feel that the coaches didn't think they had a win in them on Sunday with Manning being as crocked as he was so they all had themselves with one foot out the door. Elway has told them all they're free to search for other jobs and all the talk is that the Broncos won't be going in house.

LuckyLloyd

spiralism wrote: »

Eh? This Broncos team is still stacked and even if Manning calls it a day that puts them on about a par with Buffalo

Lot of talk doing the rounds that the Broncos feel that the coaches didn't think they had a win in them on Sunday with Manning being as crocked as he was so they all had themselves with one foot out the door. Elway has told them all they're free to search for other jobs and all the talk is that the Broncos won't be going in house.

Nope

- higher expectation level;
- roster is less well geared into the future;
- moving on from a 'guy' at QB is easier than moving on from the GOAT regular season QB;

Next man in at Denver highly likely to fail over a couple of year period.
I think you have a better shot at Buffalo.

But they're both bad jobs - hence why they're free.

Chucky the tree

spiralism wrote: »

Eh? This Broncos team is still stacked and even if Manning calls it a day that puts them on about a par with Buffalo

Lot of talk doing the rounds that the Broncos feel that the coaches didn't think they had a win in them on Sunday with Manning being as crocked as he was so they all had themselves with one foot out the door. Elway has told them all they're free to search for other jobs and all the talk is that the Broncos won't be going in house.

Bills defense is far better, while Broncos WR corp is better. I'd take an elite Defense and no one at QB vs a good WR corp, good defense and no one at QB. To add I was referring to Broncos without Manning, I should have clarified that.

spiralism

Bills is a harder job to succeed in for two simple reasons: Bill Belichick and Tom Brady.

With them around, best any AFCE coaching candidate can hope for is competing for a wildcard spot.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Bills defense is far better, while Broncos WR corp is better. I'd take an elite Defense and no one at QB vs a good WR corp, good defense and no one at QB. To add I was referring to Broncos without Manning, I should have clarified that.

Broncos defence definitely has the talent to be elite in all fairness. Look at that pass rush and secondary after all. Just been very disappointed in Del Rio the last two years now and ill be glad to see the back of him.

Utopia Parkway

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Bills defense is far better, while Broncos WR corp is better. I'd take an elite Defense and no one at QB vs a good WR corp, good defense and no one at QB. To add I was referring to Broncos without Manning, I should have clarified that.

Bills also don't have a QB (yes I'm including Manuel in that who is terrible) and have no first round draft picks this year (their first pick comes at number 50). They have a very good defence but that's about it right now.

Even without Manning the Broncos still have a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. Although I imagine they could lose one or two in the off-season.

Hazys

Another point on the Broncos HC role...you have to deal with Manning going behind your back talking to Elway, so basically you are a bit of a puppet HC. I would expect some no name coordinator (most likely defensive) to get the job who is expected to stay out of the way of Gase, Manning and Elway.

ABajaninCork

Unfair to call Manuel terrible. He hasn't been given a fair shot. Marrone couldn't be arsed to develop him, and it's not going to change with Rex. Just ask Geno Smith...

spiralism

Hazys wrote: »

Another point on the Broncos HC role...you have to deal with Manning going behind your back talking to Elway, so basically you are a bit of a puppet HC. I would expect some no name coordinator (most likely defensive) to get the job who is expected to stay out of the way of Gase, Manning and Elway.

Gase won't be on the next staff. I'd bet good money on it. He'll be hired by another team or will just leave if he doesn't get the gig himself. Elway supposedly wants the lot of them gone and is leaning towards outside candidates.

Also, about a day ago we were all talking about the likelihood of Manning retiring so that concern is possibly moot too.

adrian522

Why are they clearing out the entire staff? I don't understand it. They have just delivered 4 consecutive division titles. Now all the coaching staff are out, It's unclear at this point if the HOF QB is even welcome back. Some of the key offensive weapons are due to hit FA.

From an outsider looking in ( and not generally paying a whole lot of attention to what goes on in Denver) surely John Elway has some serious questions to answer for all this?

spiralism

adrian522 wrote: »

Why are they clearing out the entire staff? I don't understand it. They have just delivered 4 consecutive division titles. Now all the coaching staff are out, It's unclear at this point if the HOF QB is even welcome back. Some of the key offensive weapons are due to hit FA.

From an outsider looking in ( and not generally paying a whole lot of attention to what goes on in Denver) surely John Elway has some serious questions to answer for all this?

Elway wants no part of any of it apparently and holds them all accountable for underachieving and sees a clean break as the only way to change a culture of choking. Also, a lot of them underperformed quite badly this year in their own areas. Del Rio's defence was middle of the pack in points allowed and it's wedged with talent. Offensive line was a mess as was the offence and offensive playcalling in general.

That said, he's informed them they're under contract but can look for other jobs. Del Rio will go to Oakland or another HC gig and tbh that was happening regardless.

Shannon Sharpe made a good point for someone who's close to Elway on NFLN earlier: Elway's pretty clear on that he doesn't find four straight division titles as being good enough with a HOF QB and with spending nearly 60 million on defence in the offseason. The goal is championships, not merely playoff appearances.

Hazys

adrian522 wrote: »

Why are they clearing out the entire staff? I don't understand it. They have just delivered 4 consecutive division titles. Now all the coaching staff are out, It's unclear at this point if the HOF QB is even welcome back. Some of the key offensive weapons are due to hit FA.

From an outsider looking in ( and not generally paying a whole lot of attention to what goes on in Denver) surely John Elway has some serious questions to answer for all this?

Ya its all a bit shocking alright. There was no word of discontent in the Broncos front office before the weekend and now come Monday, everybody is fired :eek:

Alfred Borden

Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington 11m11 minutes ago
Sources: Adam Gase currently meeting with 49ers officials in Denver. Expected to be marathon. Elway plans to meet w/ Gase when it concludes.

Looks like Broncos want to keep Peyton happy maybe? Cant see why the 49ers want any part of him being honest.

spiralism

Hazys wrote: »

Ya its all a bit shocking alright. There was no word of discontent in the Broncos front office before the weekend and now come Monday, everybody is fired :eek:

Lot of talk from Denver media that Elway felt that Fox or one of the staff had given the leak that he was fired if they lost to Indy in order to position himself to find a HC gig somewhere else and it motivated him to do just that. Supposedly they hadn't considered the idea but then felt he was positioning himself to get out and the coaches mailed it in with job offers likely.

In essence, he felt that the staff mailed it in for a ****ing playoff game, to which firing them all would be an adequate response.

spiralism

Raf32 wrote: »

Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington 11m11 minutes ago
Sources: Adam Gase currently meeting with 49ers officials in Denver. Expected to be marathon. Elway plans to meet w/ Gase when it concludes.

Looks like Broncos want to keep Peyton happy maybe? Cant see why the 49ers want any part of him being honest.

He'll be interviewed but i don't think Elway's gonna rush it either. Quinn and Kubiak will be interviewed too, probably Bowles as well.

If we hire Kubiak, i'm done.

Alfred Borden

spiralism wrote: »

He'll be interviewed but i don't think Elway's gonna rush it either. Quinn and Kubiak will be interviewed too, probably Bowles as well.

If we hire Kubiak, i'm done.

Ya if i were a broncos fan it would be for me in preference Quinn,Bowles and then a toss up between the other two who arent a step up from Fox. Id say someone could be in by friday. Shame Rex didnt hang on a bit longer and you would have got the perfect coach for manning.

adrian522

Raf32 wrote: »

Jeff Darlington ‏@JeffDarlington 11m11 minutes ago
Sources: Adam Gase currently meeting with 49ers officials in Denver. Expected to be marathon. Elway plans to meet w/ Gase when it concludes.

Looks like Broncos want to keep Peyton happy maybe? Cant see why the 49ers want any part of him being honest.

I'd be happy enough with him, though I'd prefer if he came in as OC rather than HC.

He previously worked with the 49ers and most seem to think he had done a good job in Denver.

I understand working with Manning is different to working with Kapernick but the Manning offense in Denver was a step above what it had been in Indy.

This is a good article on him(partially) I think.

spiralism

Raf32 wrote: »

Ya if i were a broncos fan it would be for me in preference Quinn,Bowles and then a toss up between the other two who arent a step up from Fox. Id say someone could be in by friday. Shame Rex didnt hang on a bit longer and you would have got the perfect coach for manning.

Shame indeed but this talk of Fox being in trouble only emerged around the league on sunday before the game so it would imply that Fox leaked it himself. Note he's already fixed himself for an interview at Chicago.

Quinn or Bowles are the two standouts but go on any Broncos forum and you'll see half the posters arguing for Gary Kubiak which would be an absolutely horrible hire. We've requested Baltimore for an interview too so Elway's definitely thinking about getting his mate in.

Also, before anyone talks of a return for Shanahan, bear in mind that Elway and Shanahan haven't got along for some years now.

Jolly Red Giant

The Denver Broncos are one of the top franchises in the NFL - much of that is thanks to Fox who brought stability and organisation after the McD disaster and re-established the Broncos as a top flight NFL team. Fox leaving appears to be a series of circumstances coming together - Manning's declining ability coupled with his determination to control what the offence did appears to have been a major component part.

The Broncos have a very good roster - particularly on defence. The Broncos defence is better than it has played. JDR did not prepare the defence - he adopted the attitude that the better talent will come out on top - he played a very vanilla defence with few adjustments during the game - and he never had the defence play physical or blitz. A more aggressive coach would play into the talents of the players on defence. The one piece stopping the Broncos being a top flight defence is a MLB. There are some issues with the offence, mainly with the OL, but they can be fixed easily. Osweiler has the physical attributes to be a good NFL QB - he needs a season to see if he can actually deliver.

Elway will not rush his decision on who will replace Fox. He will have his list and will know the order in which he would like to go down the list. The Broncos job is by far and away the best job available - even without Manning - actually it is probably more attractive without Manning than with him at this point. There is a solid roster and plenty of cap room.

Kubiak is a distinct possibility - and given the close relationship over the past 30 years between the two - Kubiak will talk to Elway and if both think it will work then Kubiak will become HC. The only thing that stops Kubiak becoming Broncos HC is if Elway feels there is a better candidate - and according to what is being said Quinn is ahead of Kubiak at the moment. Despite the relationship Kubiak will not get the job because of his close relationship with Elway, Elway will do what is best to the team - he has been and will be ruthless in his decision making.

Elway will interview every available candidate - apparently he will talk to Gase tomorrow after he has completed his interview with the 49ers. Gase is highly thought of by the Broncos organisation - but there is an interesting development here - initially Manning was touting Gase as HC (apparently even before Fox left) - now it seems Manning is pushing for Dungy to get the job. This indicates to me that Manning thought Gase would keep him onboard - but when the prospect of Gase actually being in the frame Manning realised that Gase would support cleaning house

I still expect Gase to go to 49ers either as HC or OC - there is history.

I suspect the Broncos list is something like -
1. Quinn
2. Kubiak
3. Bowles

Then the rest. But the list will be fluid and Elway will look at all angles before choosing.

Hazys

I think this guy is part of the problem: https://vine.co/v/ODwDrqzFH67

You know that's what he's thinking, definitely more than accident.

kryogen

He seems to be teflon John though

SameOleJay

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Broncos job is by far and away the best job available - even without Manning - actually it is probably more attractive without Manning than with him at this point. There is a solid roster and plenty of cap room.
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Mate, you are out of your mind if you think a franchise with no quarterback, no draft position, in a tough division with huge expectations is by far the best available.

Osweiler is a non-entity at this stage. He's shown nothing. No coach with his choice will be drawn to a quarterback with no experience.

San Fran
Atlanta
Denver

That's how I rank those left.

spiralism

kryogen wrote: »

He seems to be teflon John though

There will never be anyone more loved in the history of the Broncos, which is a lot of the reason.

DDC1990

Garrett signs a 5 year contract with Cowboys.

phatkev

So the Jets have hired Mike Maccagnan as the new GM, dont know much about the guy apart from he was director of college scouting at Houston. Hopefully his first order of business is firing Terry Fcuking Bradway

phatkev

the Bills have also terminated Jim Schwartz contract, dont think anybody will be surprised about this

Jolly Red Giant

phatkev wrote: »

the Bills have also terminated Jim Schwartz contract, dont think anybody will be surprised about this

Like to see him as the new DC in Denver

Realt Dearg Sec

Rapoport claiming Bowles going to the jets. I'm disappointed, fancied him for the Bears. Rapoport also has said Chicago is Fox's first preference. He has ties to the new gm and to accorsi, the consultant they hired to find the new gm. I'm ambivalent on him. Think he'll certainly improve the team though. Nearly any if the candidates could show progress from where we are now though, we have good people on the roster, and an ownership who have shown willingness recently to make changes and move forward. Think we're a much more attractive prospect than we've been given credit for the last few weeks.

spiralism

SameOleJay wrote: »

Mate, you are out of your mind if you think a franchise with no quarterback, no draft position, in a tough division with huge expectations is by far the best available.

Osweiler is a non-entity at this stage. He's shown nothing. No coach with his choice will be drawn to a quarterback with no experience.

San Fran
Atlanta
Denver

That's how I rank those left.

Talent wise we are still stacked though, Manning or not. (And if Manning were to leave we'd likely keep both Thomases for good measure)

A good defensive coach could make a #1 defence out of what we've got.

The expectations are the problem but bear in mind Harbaugh got fired in SF over political bull**** between him and the front office so that's a red flag and they also have the same high expectations and a more difficult division

Jolly Red Giant

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Rapoport claiming Bowles going to the jets. I'm disappointed, fancied him for the Bears. Rapoport also has said Chicago is Fox's first preference. He has ties to the new gm and to accorsi, the consultant they hired to find the new gm. I'm ambivalent on him. Think he'll certainly improve the team though. Nearly any if the candidates could show progress from where we are now though, we have good people on the roster, and an ownership who have shown willingness recently to make changes and move forward. Think we're a much more attractive prospect than we've been given credit for the last few weeks.

Fox would be very good for Chicago - he would bring stability and organisation.

Surprised that Bowles went to the Jets

with the jobs narrowing things are panning out a bit -

Chicago - Fox
Atlanta - Quinn (although the Falcons are said to want to get it done quick)
SF - Gase / Shanahan / Fangio (apparently Fangio has said that if he or Shanahan doesn't get HC he's gone)
Raiders - Del Rio

That leaves Denver - Elway has asked to interview Austin who apparently has jumped up the list (suggestion that Elway is more impressed with the fact that he built the Lions defence, unlike Quinn who took over a defence built by Carroll) - Fangio comes into the frame if he leaves the 49ers and Kubiak is still very much in the mix.

adrian522

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Fox would be very good for Chicago - he would bring stability and organisation.

Surprised that Bowles went to the Jets

with the jobs narrowing things are panning out a bit -

Chicago - Fox
Atlanta - Quinn (although the Falcons are said to want to get it done quick)
SF - Gase / Shanahan / Fangio (apparently Fangio has said that if he or Shanahan doesn't get HC he's gone)
Raiders - Del Rio

That leaves Denver - Elway has asked to interview Austin who apparently has jumped up the list (suggestion that Elway is more impressed with the fact that he built the Lions defence, unlike Quinn who took over a defence built by Carroll) - Fangio comes into the frame if he leaves the 49ers and Kubiak is still very much in the mix.

Jim Tomsula is also in play for the 49ers position at this point.

Realt Dearg Sec

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Fox would be very good for Chicago - he would bring stability and organisation.

Surprised that Bowles went to the Jets

with the jobs narrowing things are panning out a bit -

Chicago - Fox
Atlanta - Quinn (although the Falcons are said to want to get it done quick)
SF - Gase / Shanahan / Fangio (apparently Fangio has said that if he or Shanahan doesn't get HC he's gone)
Raiders - Del Rio

That leaves Denver - Elway has asked to interview Austin who apparently has jumped up the list (suggestion that Elway is more impressed with the fact that he built the Lions defence, unlike Quinn who took over a defence built by Carroll) - Fangio comes into the frame if he leaves the 49ers and Kubiak is still very much in the mix.

Austin seems like a good bet, he seems a little underrated to me at least by people talking about potential Bears HCs (that's the stuff I would be reading), given that he turned the Lions D into a complete powerhouse (facilitated by some high draft picks, but that guarantees nothing)

adrian522

Del Rio to Oakland almost a done deal.

Gase to SF close to done also according to a few reports.

phatkev

the Jets get their GM and HC within hours of each other,hopefully this is the start of something beautiful! Chan Gailey seems to be the new OC, he never really shined as a HC but he did manage to get 3,000 yards and 22 touchdowns from Tyler Thigpen, so maybe theres hope for Geno yet.

Jolly Red Giant

I think the Broncos job is down to Kubiak and Austin - with Kubiak the favourite. Elway will interview all available candidates but unless something else pops out it will be down to the two above.

I think the final decision will come down to who each of the candidates see as the remaining coaching staff. I suspect that this will favour Kubiak as he would probably bring Dennison with him as OC. Dennison will be important in fixing the OL, STs and the running game. The question is who would Kubiak bring in as DC - my preference is Schwartz.

The advantage for Austin is the job he has done with the Lions D - but he would have to be able to recruit a top of the range OC and they are few and far between. I suspect that Kyle Shanahan might come into the frame for that.

Benimar

Del Rio to the Raiders confirmed.