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Jolly Red Giant

kryogen wrote: »

Tends to disappear when asked to back up claims so don't hold your breath

Given the Broncos are searching for a HC I have been reading a lot of stuff this week. Read the stuff about Fox in passing because he still has to be paid on the contract he signed in April. Now it was probably someone flying a kite (or someone with good inside info) and a 3 year $10million deal was mentioned. Couldn't find it afterwards. Either way it's odds on at the moment that Fox will be the Bears HC.

Benimar

La Canfora reporting that Kubiak will interview for the Broncos job, probably this weekend.

spiralism

I'd say he's about 80% likely to get it for three reasons:

1. He's Broncos to the bone and Elway's mate
2. He's a much easier sell than the other contenders, who will not prioritise this job (given the pressure and Manning uncertainty)
3. A lot of the best options are already gone (Ryan, Bowles) or unavailable till possibly February (Quinn). Broncos aren't gonna wait three weeks and lose out on being able to build a coaching staff around him. Glaring hole at defensive co-ordinator that needs addressing.

HigginsJ

paulie21 wrote: »

Reports saying Steve Spagnoulo is back as Giants DC

Yeh :rolleyes:

Paully D

Benimar wrote: »

La Canfora reporting that Kubiak will interview for the Broncos job, probably this weekend.

All I can say is - ****!

That will be a big loss for the Ravens if it happens. The offense was completely transformed this year after the previous years shambles.

Flacco will be on to his 5th OC in 5 years now. It makes his successes all the more impressive given that he has never really had anything steady.

mikemac1

Paully D wrote: »

Flacco will be on to his 5th OC in 5 years now. It makes his successes all the more impressive given that he has never really had anything steady.

Not really Paully. He was drafted in 2008

2008 - 2012 Cam Cameron
2012 - 2013 Jim Caldwell
2014 Gary Kubiak

Alex Smith had 5 different OC's in 5 years and Sam Bradford had 4 in 4 years. Maybe you're thinking of them


The Ravens defensive coaches get poached every single year. Very rare that anyone wants our offensive coaches :pac:

Paully D

mikemac1 wrote: »

Not really Paully. He was drafted in 2008

2008 - 2012 Cam Cameron
2012 - 2013 Jim Caldwell
2014 Gary Kubiak

Alex Smith had 5 different OC's in 5 years and Sam Bradford had 4 in 4 years. Maybe you're thinking of them


The Ravens defensive coaches get poached every single year. Very rare that anyone wants our offensive coaches :pac:

Yep, sorry. Brainfart on my part after a long day.

It will be 4 OC's in 4 years presuming Kubiak is off.

UnitedIrishman

To be fair, he did well to do anything with Cam Cameron involved.

Jolly Red Giant

Kubiak is almost guaranteed to be the Broncos next HC - no one should be surprised at this, especially those who thought his statement last week that he didn't want to be considered for any HC position.

As far back as when he took over as the Texans HC Kubiak stated that there were only two teams that he would ever consider taking as HC - his hometown Texans and the team where his heart has always been, the Broncos.

Austin knows the job is Kubiak's if he wants it - that is why he pulled out of the interview - same with Marrone.

Kubiak will bring in Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison or both to run the offence and Ted Monachino or Vance Joseph or both to run the defence (Joseph was on Kubiak's staff in Houston). This will be a very strong coaching staff (Tolbert and Studsville will be brought back) and Kubiak's offence is perfect for the physical attributes and talents of Osweiler - if Os doesn't make it in a Kubiak offence he will be selling insurance 12 months later.

TO.

Broncos just found their new HC

spiralism

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Kubiak is almost guaranteed to be the Broncos next HC - no one should be surprised at this, especially those who thought his statement last week that he didn't want to be considered for any HC position.

As far back as when he took over as the Texans HC Kubiak stated that there were only two teams that he would ever consider taking as HC - his hometown Texans and the team where his heart has always been, the Broncos.

Austin knows the job is Kubiak's if he wants it - that is why he pulled out of the interview - same with Marrone.

Kubiak will bring in Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison or both to run the offence and Ted Monachino or Vance Joseph or both to run the defence (Joseph was on Kubiak's staff in Houston). This will be a very strong coaching staff (Tolbert and Studsville will be brought back) and Kubiak's offence is perfect for the physical attributes and talents of Osweiler - if Os doesn't make it in a Kubiak offence he will be selling insurance 12 months later.

My ****ing eyes. Bringing back the ZBS, Kubiak and Dennison is just gonna send us back in reverse to the bad ol days of the late '00s. You dont move forward in this league by trying to go back to 1998.

As for Kyle Shanahan, he all but got ran out of Washington and was as culpable as his father in ruining RGIII in record time. ****ing hell, no no no no no no no no no

Kubiak is one thing if we hire someone like Schwartz as DC and try to hang on to Gase. It's another entirely if we want to try and get the band back together as regards the 1998 Broncos coaching staff.

He's no improvement over Fox in any fathomable way, he got outcoached frequently, pretty much never got wins against big teams and was too loyal to his players and too much of a soft touch. So in essence, John Fox but the difference being he's tight with Elway.

This whole thing has a late 2000s Chargers feeling to it, where AJ and Norv slowly let a ****ing stacked team descend into mediocrity

mikemac1

So negative Sprialism ^^^^

If Broncos fans don't want Kubiak and Monachino then Ravens fans would gladly keep them

Why doesn't the zone blocking scheme work? Kubiak transformed the Ravens rushing game from a pathetic 30th in 2013 to 8th in 2014. It was no star studded offensive line with heavy investment like maybe Dallas -

LT - 1st rounder and a rookie UDFA
LG - 2nd rounder
C - 3rd rounder who cost a 5th rounder in a trade
RG - 3rd rounder and a rookie 5th rounder
RT - 5th rounder

And the leading back was 29 and had done nothing much in his career until then

I don't know much about Osweiler but if Kubiak can't develop him then I don't think there are many other coaches in the league who can

TO.

spiralism wrote: »

My ****ing eyes. Bringing back the ZBS,

Bringing back the Zone Blocking Scheme? You do realise Fox has been using Zone blocking also right? In fact of all the teams last weekend in the Divisional Games the Cowboys, Packers, Seahawks, Broncos, Ravens and Steelers all use Zone blocking schemes. That is 6 of the 8 teams in the Divisional rounds using the system, either fully or to some extent. No idea why you are so negative about it and why you are making it out its old school or out of date.

Jolly Red Giant

mikemac1 wrote: »

So negative Sprialism ^^^^

If Broncos fans don't want Kubiak and Monachino then Ravens fans would gladly keep them

Why doesn't the zone blocking scheme work? Kubiak transformed the Ravens rushing game from a pathetic 30th in 2013 to 8th in 2014. It was no star studded offensive line with heavy investment like maybe Dallas -

LT - 1st rounder and a rookie UDFA
LG - 2nd rounder
C - 3rd rounder who cost a 5th rounder in a trade
RG - 3rd rounder and a rookie 5th rounder
RT - 5th rounder

And the leading back was 29 and had done nothing much in his career until then

I don't know much about Osweiler but if Kubiak can't develop him then I don't think there are many other coaches in the league who can

Spot on Mike

The zone blocking scheme is effective - and CJ Anderson would blossom in ZBS because he is very effective, spots the hole and is a one cut runner. There would have to be some changes in the OL - Clady and Vasquez would be fine but Franklin is too slow for ZBS so will walk in FA.

As for Oswiler - there is no better option to make him an NFL QB - Kubiak's offence is built around a mobile QB with a big arm - lost of play action off of the ZBS, roll outs etc. Kubiak's offence is tailor made for Osweiler and fits his physical attributes and talents like a glove - there would not be any other Coach/QB match in the NFL with the exception of BB/Brady. If Os can't make it under Kubiak's offence he will be gone from the NFL within 12 months.

What is clearly emerging is that after last seasons SB Elway had planned dumping Fox and his sidekicks if they went one and done in the play-offs. On top of that he knew exactly what he wanted to do in that eventuality - and that has been in the pipeline for months. Kubiak is being brought in for the long-term - himself and Elway go back to 1983 when they were both drafted. Elway relied on Kubiak all the time Kubiak was his back-up QB (unlike Manning who probably doesn't even know who the back-up is) - and Kubiak was key to the Broncos SB wins as OC. Once Elway became Broncos GM it was inevitable that Kubiak would come back as HC - and the only thing, the only thing, that will stop that is whether Kubiak has any worries about his health. This is why I think Elway will surround him with a lot of extra help - Shanahan, Dennison, Joseph, Monachino (or others) - to do all the heavy lifting.

spiralism

TO. wrote: »

Bringing back the Zone Blocking Scheme? You do realise Fox has been using Zone blocking also right? In fact of all the teams last weekend in the Divisional Games the Cowboys, Packers, Seahawks, Broncos, Ravens and Steelers all use Zone blocking schemes. That is 6 of the 8 teams in the Divisional rounds using the system, either fully or to some extent. No idea why you are so negative about it and why you are making it out its old school or out of date.

No no no, im talking about heavily emphasising the playbook on it, Mike Shanahan style. What bugs me is that we'd be hiring a bunch of retreads from the 2008 staff as well as opposed to better qualified staff. If we fired Gase or let him go to replace him with Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison, that's a massive downgrade for example

TO.

TO. wrote: »

Broncos just found their new HC

jesus lorde what the hell does she know about football

spiralism

spiralism wrote: »

My ****ing eyes. Bringing back the ZBS, Kubiak and Dennison is just gonna send us back in reverse to the bad ol days of the late '00s. You dont move forward in this league by trying to go back to 1998.

As for Kyle Shanahan, he all but got ran out of Washington and was as culpable as his father in ruining RGIII in record time. ****ing hell, no no no no no no no no no

Kubiak is one thing if we hire someone like Schwartz as DC and try to hang on to Gase. It's another entirely if we want to try and get the band back together as regards the 1998 Broncos coaching staff.

He's no improvement over Fox in any fathomable way, he got outcoached frequently, pretty much never got wins against big teams and was too loyal to his players and too much of a soft touch. So in essence, John Fox but the difference being he's tight with Elway.

This whole thing has a late 2000s Chargers feeling to it, where AJ and Norv slowly let a ****ing stacked team descend into mediocrity

jesus christ dude everything you post about your team is negative and they say philly fans are bad

Chucky the tree

It's a pretty bad appointment and I'd be worried if I was a Denver fan. I'd have little faith that he's the type of head coach who will win the Broncos a superbowl. Like John Fox, he'll might get them to the play-offs but they'll collapse then.

Jolly Red Giant

spiralism wrote: »

No no no, im talking about heavily emphasising the playbook on it, Mike Shanahan style. What bugs me is that we'd be hiring a bunch of retreads from the 2008 staff as well as opposed to better qualified staff. If we fired Gase or let him go to replace him with Kyle Shanahan or Rick Dennison, that's a massive downgrade for example

spiralism - you do realise that the Ravens offence was pretty much anaemic before Kubiak took over as OC and he turned around the offence in one go - ask youself why the Ravens fans are hopping over the prospect of losing their OC.

Kubiak does not run a retread of the Shanahan offence and he was long gone from Denver when Shanahan was fired - he is one of the best offensive minds in football and has proven it. He also has the advantage of a relatively young and talented roster in Denver coupled with Elway as GM who has had a lot more hits than misses in terms of building the roster.

I was reading an interesting comment today from someone who pointed out that Broncos fans were hopping mad when Elway kept Garland, Schofield and Paradis in the roster this season and no one could understand why - well, guess what, all three are perfectly suited for running a ZBS - all three are smaller than normal but fast and agile. Indications that Elway had some plans in place for some time.

helimachoptor

helimachoptor wrote: »

Rumours Kubiak has the Broncos job

Guess I was right.

A poster on one of the tirans boards who seems connected says this will be announced Monday

Jolly Red Giant

helimachoptor wrote: »

Guess I was right.

A poster on one of the tirans boards who seems connected says this will be announced Monday

Kubiak is interviewing tomorrow.

helimachoptor

Job on Monday

Then watch paulky D and mikemacs heart break, on mobile or I'd put up the simpsons gif of Ralph

Jolly Red Giant

Marrone has pulled out of his scheduled interview with the Broncos - writing on wall and all that.

helimachoptor

Maybe confirmed tomorrow then

Paully D

Rapoport reporting that Kyle Shanahan could end up in Baltimore (or Atlanta) to replace Kubiak. Good ****ing Christ.

Gase interviews with the Jaguars about their OC job. How the mighty have fallen!

ChicagoJoe

Going to Foxborough it's a tall job for the Colts to get with an upset victory, Q/B Luck has to make more plays than Brady and continue to receive better than expected support from his offensive line, defense and coaching staff. They have simply has too much working against them in this matchup. With the Seahawks playing like they are, angry on defense and efficient on offense, it's very tough to pick anyone to win at Seattle. That said, the Packers have the ability to make it interesting. A lot is made of Rodgers' calf injury, but if he's as sharp as he was last week, he will give Green Bay a chance. There are many playmakers around him, too and that's what the Packers can hang their hats on.

Realt Dearg Sec

ChicagoJoe wrote: »

Going to Foxborough it's a tall job for the Colts to get with an upset victory, Q/B Luck has to make more plays than Brady and continue to receive better than expected support from his offensive line, defense and coaching staff. They have simply has too much working against them in this matchup. With the Seahawks playing like they are, angry on defense and efficient on offense, it's very tough to pick anyone to win at Seattle. That said, the Packers have the ability to make it interesting. A lot is made of Rodgers' calf injury, but if he's as sharp as he was last week, he will give Green Bay a chance. There are many playmakers around him, too and that's what the Packers can hang their hats on.

wrong thread Joe, but I agree with you.

Paully D

Quinn to be the new Falcons head coach, as per Rapoport.

Jolly Red Giant

helimachoptor wrote: »

Maybe confirmed tomorrow then

Kubiak won't be confirmed until Tuesday - apparently the NFL doesn't want any distractions from the football.

Broncos sent a high powered team to interview Kubiak in Houston including all the top executives. And the word is that Kubiak will accept the job if it is offered.

As for Gase - he needs to prove he can get the job done without the presence of Manning. If he does that then he will get a HC job.

Utopia Parkway

Looks like Kubiak is getting a 4 year deal with the Broncos.