advice please

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Any reason why you and your friend didn't do as you were asked?

The security guard made a reasonable request and you started a row, now want to sue?

Grow up.

when we were confronted we had words, then agreed it was not worth getting kicked out over as I was hungry

but the security did not leave til I asked for the manager and when I did he turned sour and his friend legged it

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

I see your point and I do agree. but like iv already posted and explained we were just sitting there.

we were not been c$$$s and we did not do anything to provoke this confrontation. we were very polite to staff, and like I said if I could post a pic I would

my friend did not have his feet on the furniture nor did we mouth off in a way to provoke staff before we were intimidated

I understand what you are saying

Except, by refusing to do as you were asked, ye WERE being cnuts, ye WERE provoking the security guards and ye were NOT polite.

Your mate could have just said 'oh sorry mate' and sat like a normal adult.

davemc180

marketty wrote: »

Probably not but he is a manager in a medical device factory so that's the same...somehow

yes I am a manager of 14 staff for medical device company but how that is sarcastic or funny you got me mate

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Except, by refusing to do as you were asked, ye WERE being cnuts, ye WERE provoking the security guards and ye were NOT polite.

Your mate could have just said 'oh sorry mate' and sat like a normal adult.

your a geebag obviously


Mod: Take a few days off to cool down.

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Except, by refusing to do as you were asked, ye WERE being cnuts, ye WERE provoking the security guards and ye were NOT polite.

Your mate could have just said 'oh sorry mate' and sat like a normal adult.

**** off back to your chipper then ya sweat bag

Penny Tration

I think you've just proven my point. Well done.

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Except, by refusing to do as you were asked, ye WERE being cnuts, ye WERE provoking the security guards and ye were NOT polite.

Your mate could have just said 'oh sorry mate' and sat like a normal adult.

keyboard warrior

instead of thinking oh he could be right, eeeeeeh no il argue the **** out of things

Tzardine

davemc180 wrote: »

your a geebag obviously

Jesus. If you had the same attitude in McDonald's as you 're showing here you are lucky you did not get a dig last night.

Or even worse a felt tip pen used in anger against you.

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

I think you've just proven my point. Well done.

ya have done nothing but argue with me

davemc180

Tzardine wrote: »

Jesus. If you had the same attitude in McDonald's as you 're showing here you are lucky you did not get a dig last night.

Or even worse a felt tip pen used in anger against you.

sense of humor I can get, argue every point I cant

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

keyboard warrior

instead of thinking oh he could be right, eeeeeeh no il argue the **** out of things

Why would I think you're right?

You refused to do as a security guard asked, and want to sue because you were turfed out as a result. How could you possibly be in the right?

I'm not a keyboard warrior. I just spent long enough working in a Supermac's at night time that i completely understand what kind of customer you were.

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

ya have done nothing but argue with me

I'm not arguing. I'm disagreeing with you. I'm sorry you can't handle that.

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Why would I think you're right?

You refused to do as a security guard asked, and want to sue because you were turfed out as a result. How could you possibly be in the right?

I'm not a keyboard warrior. I just spent long enough working in a Supermac's at night time that i completely understand what kind of customer you were.

but if I was in the wrong in super macs?? would you refund me?

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

I'm not arguing. I'm disagreeing with you. I'm sorry you can't handle that.

sorry for the bad language

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

but if I was in the wrong in super macs?? would you refund me?

Yep. It's ALWAYS easier to refund a difficult customer, in order to get rid of them.

Did it fairly frequently.

Pinch Flat

How much compo to get you over the stress, cos that would fix it, yeah?

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Yep. It's ALWAYS easier to refund a difficult customer, in order to get rid of them.

Did it fairly frequently.

still work there?

look I done no wrong

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

still work there?

look I done no wrong

Christ no, I have a half decent job now.

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Yep. It's ALWAYS easier to refund a difficult customer, in order to get rid of them.

Did it fairly frequently.

and just now ya said that????

so if security wanted someone out who was loud which I was not? you would refund people WHO security wanted out???????

osarusan

davemc180 wrote: »

**** off back to your chipper then ya sweat bag

Go to bed before you get banned, if it's not already too late.

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

and just now ya said that????

so if security wanted someone out who was loud which I was not? you would refund people WHO security wanted out???????

Yes, because it's up to the security guards to decide who leaves, they're the ones on the floor, watching things.

You might not have been loud, but like I said, you refused to comply with what you were asked to do, and had an argument instead.

davemc180

osarusan wrote: »

Go to bed before you get banned, if it's not already too late.

im sorry for my language but when your done over and a guy who says he worked in a fast food place says I was wrong he worked in a similar fast food place, even tho if he read the original post hed see the MANAGER refunded me. then his posts make no sense thats what annoyed me

sorry again for my language

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Yes, because it's up to the security guards to decide who leaves, they're the ones on the floor, watching things.

You might not have been loud, but like I said, you refused to comply with what you were asked to do, and had an argument instead.

but when I asked who his friend was and asked for the manager his mate legged it, he backed off to the far door, manager refunded me.

R.D. aka MR.D

davemc180 wrote: »

and just now ya said that????

so if security wanted someone out who was loud which I was not? you would refund people WHO security wanted out???????

Listen, you've obviously never worked in a customer facing role with the general public. So I have some sympathy for you. Maybe you don't understand what it's like.

When you work in a shop or a takeaway, it's always just easier to refund the customer than have them escalate the situation into a fight or verbal abuse of your staff.

You wouldn't believe some of the stuff that people working in these kinds of jobs have to put up with. You mentioned you work in mater, I'm sure if you wandered down to the A&E and had a word with one of the nurses, they could tell you a story or two.


People with drink in them lose some of their normal sense of decency. Unfortunately, some people are paid minimum wage to deal with that.
If you think that you didn't do anything wrong then that's okay. But from what you have described, my sympathies lie with the manager of McDonalds. Your friend's feet were not on the floor where they should have been according to societal norms of mannerly behaviour in public restaurants and then you challenged (asked) the security guard when he tried to enforce these norms.

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

im sorry for my language but when your done over and a guy who says he worked in a fast food place says I was wrong he worked in a similar fast food place, even tho if he read the original post hed see the MANAGER refunded me. then his posts make no sense thats what annoyed me

sorry again for my language

Firstly, I'm not a guy.

Secondly, my posts make perfect sense. Of course it was the manager who refunded you. The security guards hardly work on the tills.

The security asked you to leave, the manager refunded you. Simple concept for me to grasp, it's standard.

fermanagh_man

What toy did you get with your happy meal?

Canis Lupus

davemc180 wrote: »

keyboard warrior

instead of thinking oh he could be right, eeeeeeh no il argue the **** out of things

Shame you couldn't have taken that approach with security eh?

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

Not loving it.

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

Firstly, I'm not a guy.

Secondly, my posts make perfect sense. Of course it was the manager who refunded you. The security guards hardly work on the tills.

The security asked you to leave, the manager refunded you. Simple concept for me to grasp, it's standard.

sorry

but why if I was been asked to leave for like you said been disrespectful youd deal with my kind all the time with refunds then the security would not launch me. he backed off because he knew he was red hot. manager knows also

its called consumer rights

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

sorry

but why if I was been asked to leave for like you said been disrespectful youd deal with my kind all the time with refunds then the security would not launch me. he backed off because he knew he was red hot. manager knows also

its called consumer rights

You don't actually know anything about consumer rights, do you? :pac:

d.pop

I think you should immediately retain legal counsel.
Based on the information provided you would appear to have a water tight case and McD's should be be taken to task on this.
This could be a landmark case if handled correctly and I can see this being tried in the highest court in the land possibly even refered on to EU courts if the Irish judicial system needs assistance.
Would the company you work for be able to help at all with legal advice? Maybe speak to senior management at work as well?
Good luck with it all, will be watching for updates on AH and in the legal journals.
About time somebody made a stand..

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

You don't actually know anything about consumer rights, do you? :pac:

try me??

ebbsy

Keep your feet down off seats, where ever you are. Somebody else has to use them after you and its disgusting.

marketty

davemc180 wrote: »

yes I am a manager of 14 staff for medical device company but how that is sarcastic or funny you got me mate

'I told the manager I'm a manager too but he said I don't care'

You tried to identify with the manager of the restaurant as if you had something in common with him as a fellow manager, how many drunken arseholes have you to deal with at 4am in a medical device factory?

Penny Tration

davemc180 wrote: »

try me??

Where, in your consumer rights legislation does it say you cannot be asked to leave a private property?

Where does it say you're entitled to stick your legs on seats?

Where does it say that you have the right to a refund?

Penny Tration

d.pop wrote: »

I think you should immediately retain legal counsel.
Based on the information provided you would appear to have a water tight case and McD's should be be taken to task on this.
This could be a landmark case if handled correctly and I can see this being tried in the highest court in the land possibly even refered on to EU courts if the Irish judicial system needs assistance.
Would the company you work for be able to help at all with legal advice? Maybe speak to senior management at work as well?
Good luck with it all, will be watching for updates on AH and in the legal journals.
About time somebody made a stand..

Oh god. I nearly wet myself :pac:

davemc180

look I can on here to make a point and seek advise on what I feel was bad form

piss has been taking and I know AH is all lols so..

im off thanks all

Penny Tration

You saud 'try me,' I try you and you run away. my feelings are hurt

davemc180

ebbsy wrote: »

Keep your feet down off seats, where ever you are. Somebody else has to use them after you and its disgusting.

feet were not on the seats like posted if you can read:cool:

davemc180

Jingle_Balls wrote: »

You saud 'try me,' I try you and you run away. my feelings are hurt

sorry again for my bad language I just got worked up I am sorry.

marketty

davemc180 wrote: »

look I can on here to make a point and seek advise on what I feel was bad form

piss has been taking and I know AH is all lols so..

im off thanks all

I'm glad we could help you gain a fresh perspective on things

pmasterson95

davemc180 wrote: »

**** off back to your chipper then ya sweat bag

davemc180 wrote: »

your a geebag obviously

This is why you being "polite" to security sounds like bull****.

Jawgap

davemc180 wrote: »

if could send you a picture I would, he was arse down, sitting normal but one leg left calf across the chair

not flaked spread out

not feet on the table

not legs spread over the table

not foot on the chair

were were the only people in that part of mcds

Don't know how you were brought up, but that's not the normal sitting position for eating a meal - even in a fast food restaurant.

petrolcan

I think I would have spat on both your meals and kicked you out without a refund.

There's nothing worse than a customer that thinks they're right when they are in the wrong.

challengemaster

davemc180 wrote: »

ok I see I posted in the wrong place where the piss will just be taken, im sobering up now and im sure your taking a dig at my grammar.

I work in medical device production. but fact is fact no need for how I was treated

davemc180 wrote: »

this prick make the machines that keep your ill loved ones alive, id rather not have the piss taken out of me

That's funny, 2 months ago you were an electrician who worked in sales.
I know times are tough but that means more competition for jobs, not less. It'd be a miracle for a 25 year old electrician with no degree or experience in the medical device industry and a previous driving ban to land a managers job in medical device production.

Might be time to lay off the drugs. You be trippin'.

marketty

challengemaster wrote: »

That's funny, 2 months ago you were an electrician who worked in sales.
I know times are tough but that means more competition for jobs, not less. It'd be a miracle for a 25 year old electrician with no degree or experience in the medical device industry and a previous driving ban to land a managers job in medical device production.

Might be time to lay off the drugs. You be trippin'.

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simpson80

davemc180 wrote:

his friend was very big, im 6"2 100kg he dwarfed me. very very imidating over my meal all over my mate having his calf on the chair

Well he shouldn't be bringing aninmals in. No wonder they had a problem!!! I'd say it looked strange alright

pmasterson95

challengemaster wrote: »

That's funny, 2 months ago you were an electrician who worked in sales.
I know times are tough but that means more competition for jobs, not less. It'd be a miracle for a 25 year old electrician with no degree or experience in the medical device industry and a previous driving ban to land a managers job in medical device production.

Might be time to lay off the drugs. You be trippin'.

Haha he also posted how he went to halloween as a member of the KKK....yet now claims "Nigerian security" isn't the issue. His old posts are fascinating

Smiles35

Op. The securty guy probably gets a little scared and bored so has a mate with him, also telling him he might him a job. Then you actually treaten his job by asking for a manager. Nobodys to blame really.

Field east

Very interesting thread and have read all. So what lessons can we learn from the issue.
So my take. Individuals sound to be normal people out for the night , had a few drinks taken -so not very sober or very drunk-and called into a chipper on way home. Somebody deems an act/position to be inappropriate and requests that things be put right . An exception is taken to the request and the rest is history!!!
We are all prone to get a bit sloppy at times no matter how 'mannerly' we think we are.
My key observations/points :-
(1)Given the situation as described by OP and me above I could imagine how an individual might sit on one chair and sling the knee area of one leg over the chair beside him with shoe dangling over edge of chair. How was the staff to know that the leg might end up on the chair later so policy is to head off this possibility at the outset.
(2) if one is walking by two eating places , which one would you go into first . The one where all customers are sitting down correctly or the one where the general customer is slouched on their chairs with legs on seats, etc. ?. I'll leave that one with you.

(3) I expect all businesses to be very conscious of the public /corporate image presented by their shop fronts/'shop floor'

(4)that time of the morning is an extremely unnerving time and if security sees something that may lead to something unpleasant happening , the business may have a policy of ' nipping things in the bud'

(5) it's amazing how many people put their feet, complete with shoes most times, on the seat opposite them in trains whether the carriage is near empty or not. It's very bad manners at any time . If one has to do it then stick paper under them. Would you like to sit on that seat after it being 'showed' if the shoe had dog**** on its heal? My mother had a phrase 'manners make the the man'

(6) as a private citizen I think that it would be within my rights to request the ' shoe on the seat individual' if she/he could see her/his way to kindly remove the feet to the floor.

(7) I might only act on (5) above if I was backed up by a burly looking strongman beside me as I would have no way of knowing the reaction I might get. Some people have been killed for making normal requests re correct behaviour.

(8) if I was a security individual I would muster all resources available, first and foremost, - and if that includes a burly Nigerian who happens to stop by for a chat then all the better- before I would act. The' pen trick 'seemed to have been effective even though security may not have included it as part of his strategy. All security following this thread will now be buying pens by the box!

In summary,
Individuals are trying to do their work properly otherwise they might lose their jobs. It is our opinion if they under or over react- but it's only an opinion. In principal, if somebody -especially staff- asks you to do something on their property/public place, one should normally respond positively but state ,if you want, that the aggressive approach ,etc,was not necessary. It might be prudent /strategic to apologise for the wrongdoing and as a result ye might have been allowed to finish your meal. Very few of us 'like being told ' but deep down we know that the 'teller' is quiet often right. We might have done the same thing but in a different way -as we are all different. So , I suggest you learn from it , move on and put your energy onto something else. If you want to 'do something about it' consider writing a letter to the manager, giving context , etc, apologise for causing a 'scene' and don't be surprised if he sends you a Mc D voucher or call in to see him.