Traveller secures Degree from Trinity

Greenmachine

Fantastic stuff as far as I concerned. Would hope everyone agrees with my sentiments. From my experience growing up, lots of travelers don't even finish primary school.

Lady by the name of Sarah Jane Dunne. Article in the Irish Independent.
http://www.independent.ie/style/fashion/style-talk/beauty-queen-and-member-of-travelling-community-sarah-jane-dunne-secures-degree-from-trinity-30867524.html

Not sure style is the best category for the article even if she is a beauty model. Attractive girl, and everything, but a little more focus on her achievement would have been better.

Feel free to add your take. Obviously feel free to move, if mods feel another forum is more appropriate.

Annasopra

Well done to her. Fantastic news.

Señor Fancy Pants

Fair play to her.

WhiteWalls

Fair play to her but whats the big deal? She is certainly not the first traveller to have gotten a degree

PLL

Greenmachine wrote: »

Fantastic stuff as far as I concerned.

Completely agree with you. Fair play to her.

Foxhound38

Well done to her! Brains and beauty - the world is her oyster now and rightly so!

Bored_lad

Well done to her but don't see why its a big deals she's not the first traveller to get a degree and certainly won't be the last.

eviltwin

That is fantastic. She is a credit to her family who I'm sure supported her. It's a big deal because all too often Travellers, particularly Traveller women, are discouraged from education. I would imagine she has had to deal with some negativity from members of the community.

Dan_Solo

Why is this news? There's never been any law against travellers going to uni and they have more educational opportunities handed to them by the state than the average pupil in truth.

eviltwin

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Why is this news? There's never been any law against travellers going to uni and they have more educational opportunities handed to them by the state than the average pupil in truth.

The opportunities are there but they aren't taken up because there is not much support at home where it matters most.

WhiteWalls

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Fair play to her but whats the big deal? She is certainly not the first traveller to have gotten a degree

And not from Trinity either.

mikemac1

Arts graduate fails to get a job and must emigrate

It's a bad news article tbh if that's what is facing graduates

mass_debater

Will she get a job now and pay some tax like the rest of us?

My name is URL

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Fair play to her but whats the big deal? She is certainly not the first traveller to have gotten a degree

She's the first one with a public persona apparently. I guess it's making the news because there isn't much in the way of role models for young female travelers. It's a nice change from the yokes you see on Gypsy Weddings etc

The Moldy Gowl

Whats the big deal? Person gets a degree?

Just because she is a traveler and a 'beauty queen' means **** all. Not all travelers are the same, many are normal people just like us.

I didnt get a headline when I finished college.

Wanderer2010

Im delighted for her, hope she had great luck in the future. I imagine it would have been harder for her to fit in as Trinity is still full of the stuck-up little sons and daughters of the local solicitors, accountants etc and as such have zero experience whatsoever of struggle or budget and a lot of the little darlings have the manners of a bulldog. I say fair play to her for coming through such a (still) stuck-up institution.

Donkey Oaty

Is everyone else getting a story on the right-hand side of the Indo article with the headline "She said Yes! Irishman shocks American girlfriend by going down"?

PLL

I think the point is that she went to trinity, getting a degree from Trinity is different to getting one from Tralee IT, where a lot of travellers are educated.

Many people try to get in to Trinity and fail. The fact that she has applied herself to her studies so well and earned a place there against the norms of her community, mean she deserves recognition for it.

Macavity.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Im delighted for her, hope she had great luck in the future. I imagine it would have been harder for her to fit in as Trinity is still full of the stuck-up little sons and daughters of the local solicitors, accountants etc and as such have zero experience whatsoever of struggle or budget and a lot of the little darlings have the manners of a bulldog. I say fair play to her for coming through such a (still) stuck-up institution.

Oh dear...

mikemac1

PLL wrote: »

I think the point is that she went to trinity, getting a degree from Trinity is different to getting one from Tralee IT, where a lot of travellers are educated.

Whiff of elitism about this post

thedooner

Pecker Dunne's daughter! well done her.

Tugboats

Did the family have a punch up at the ceremony?

Wanderer2010

Macavity. wrote: »

Oh dear...

Im speaking from experience. I did a 2 year course there a few years ago, in fact in the depth of the recession, and bar one or two people who didnt come from wealthy backgrounds, the rest of the students couldnt even imagine a world where Daddy wouldnt top their iphones up by 100 a week, let them use the second car and of course pay every one of their fees, theres still a huge amount of snobbery and looking down their noses at people up there. Fantastic college, but too many snobs. You would think the way the country has gone the last few years that would have been reduced a lot but nope, its alive and well up there...

Dan_Solo

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Trinity is still full of the stuck-up little sons and daughters of the local solicitors, accountants etc and as such have zero experience whatsoever of struggle or budget and a lot of the little darlings have the manners of a bulldog.

Last time I checked they let in anybody who gets the points and pays their fees. Terribly poor show I know.
Couldn't get in yourself or what?

cometogether

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Im delighted for her, hope she had great luck in the future. I imagine it would have been harder for her to fit in as Trinity is still full of the stuck-up little sons and daughters of the local solicitors, accountants etc and as such have zero experience whatsoever of struggle or budget and a lot of the little darlings have the manners of a bulldog. I say fair play to her for coming through such a (still) stuck-up institution.

Nice bit of snobbery there yourself

Mars Bar

Any traveller can graduate with a degree. The news shouldn't be the fact that she got her degree. The news should be that she broke the bonds of tradition and expectation within the traveller community.

I know a traveller family whose daughter is at that age where she has to decide what she is going to do. She has told her parents that she doesn't want to go to college and wants to settle down. This is peer pressure put on her by her traveller friends and relations who are going to get married young and have kids. Her parents told her that this is not what they want for her. They want her to pursue a third level education.

Wanderer2010

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Last time I checked they let in anybody who gets the points and pays their fees. Terribly poor show I know.
Couldn't get in yourself or what?

I did get in on merit and as i mentioned i passed a 2 year course. The facilities, the materials and the lecturers are all top notch, shame its still so filled with insufferable entitled snobs. I was genuinely surprised by that given that so much of the country have suffered in some way from the recession. You live and learn...

padd b1975

You would swear she was the only good looking young woman in the country with an Arts degree going by some of the OTT reactions so far on this thread.

alistair spuds

If we could only persuade the travellors intent on scumbaggery to get some education instead, like this girl has done, their 'culture' might get some more respect.

Dan_Solo

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I did get in on merit and as i mentioned i passed a 2 year course. The facilities, the materials and the lecturers are all top notch, shame its still so filled with insufferable entitled snobs. I was genuinely surprised by that given that so much of the country have suffered in some way from the recession. You live and learn...

So tell us then why anybody with the points can't go to TCD then.
Is there a secret cash bidding round for places?

BTW: what degree did you get in 2 years that was dependent on your leaving cert?

Mongfinder General

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I did get in on merit and as i mentioned i passed a 2 year course. The facilities, the materials and the lecturers are all top notch, shame its still so filled with insufferable entitled snobs. I was genuinely surprised by that given that so much of the country have suffered in some way from the recession. You live and learn...

That's the thing. So much off the country didn't suffer during the recession.

Wanderer2010

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So tell us then why anybody with the points can't go to TCD then.
Is there a secret cash bidding round for places?

I never said anybody with the points cant go to TCD did I?

I said the place is still sadly crammed full with snobby students who amazingly still think that if you dont have a rich mammy or daddy you are nothing. Sad (in fact very sad) but true.

alistair spuds

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Im delighted for her, hope she had great luck in the future. I imagine it would have been harder for her to fit in as Trinity is still full of the stuck-up little sons and daughters of the local solicitors, accountants etc and as such have zero experience whatsoever of struggle or budget and a lot of the little darlings have the manners of a bulldog.

In other words, people who worked hard and got the points like she did.

PizzamanIRL

Her brother is a lucky man.

Dan_Solo

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I never said anybody with the points cant go to TCD did I?

I said the place is still sadly crammed full with snobby students who amazingly still think that if you dont have a rich mammy or daddy you are nothing. Sad (in fact very sad) but true.

You're making zero sense.
So anybody with the points can go to TCD but it is instead full of rich kids who are only there because they have connections?

pablo128

PLL wrote: »

I think the point is that she went to trinity, getting a degree from Trinity is different to getting one from Tralee IT, where a lot of travellers are educated.

Many people try to get in to Trinity and fail. The fact that she has applied herself to her studies so well and earned a place there against the norms of her community, mean she deserves recognition for it.

A childhood friend of mine from North Clondalkin, a disadvantaged area, graduated from Trinity almost 20 years ago. He didn't make the papers. Maybe he wasn't good looking enough at the time. Or maybe he wasn't a traveller, or black, or in a wheelchair.

Fair play to anyone who gets in and graduates from that College. I don't understand how it makes the papers though.

Aglomerado

Good luck to her. May she be a good role model!

My name is URL

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I never said anybody with the points cant go to TCD did I?

I said the place is still sadly crammed full with snobby students who amazingly still think that if you dont have a rich mammy or daddy you are nothing. Sad (in fact very sad) but true.

There are plenty of snobs and dickheads like that in every university. There may be slightly more in Trinity, it being the top rated uni in the state, but it's nowhere near the level you're making out, ie 'crammed full'

It's not Eton ffs!

CiDeRmAn

PizzamanIRL wrote: »

Her brother is a lucky man.

I really shouldn't have laughed and yet I did.
I'm sorry

PizzamanIRL

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I really shouldn't have laughed and yet I did.
I'm sorry

I know, what a sick joke.

CiDeRmAn

She broke the typical bounds placed there by a culture that has different priorities.
And, I suspect, she reflects an ever more inclusive education system where there will be nothing surprising or worthy of note when anyone one of any background attends one of the top colleges in the state and does well.

Nothing wrong with the IT colleges either, just to say.

eviltwin

pablo128 wrote: »

A childhood friend of mine from North Clondalkin, a disadvantaged area, graduated from Trinity almost 20 years ago. He didn't make the papers. Maybe he wasn't good looking enough at the time. Or maybe he wasn't a traveller, or black, or in a wheelchair.

Fair play to anyone who gets in and graduates from that College. I don't understand how it makes the papers though.

Because it's so rare I suppose. She's a good looking young woman. The norm would be that she left school without a leaving cert and got married. Educated women aren't attractive in the travelling community. I'd say her and her family got a lot of stick over it. Peer pressure to do the traditional thing would have stopped many a traveller staying in school, good for her for sticking to her guns.

MagicMarker

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Im delighted for her, hope she had great luck in the future. I imagine it would have been harder for her to fit in as Trinity is still full of the stuck-up little sons and daughters of the local solicitors, accountants etc and as such have zero experience whatsoever of struggle or budget and a lot of the little darlings have the manners of a bulldog. I say fair play to her for coming through such a (still) stuck-up institution.

It's Trinity College, not ****ing Harvard.

alistair spuds

eviltwin wrote: »

Because it's so rare I suppose. She's a good looking young woman. The norm would be that she left school without a leaving cert and got married. Educated women aren't attractive in the travelling community. I'd say her and her family got a lot of stick over it. Peer pressure to do the traditional thing would have stopped many a traveller staying in school, good for her for sticking to her guns.

well at least you are pro travelling community, and not at all bigoted about them, that's the main thing.

alistair spuds

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

She broke the typical bounds placed there by a culture that has different priorities.
And, I suspect, she reflects an ever more inclusive education system where there will be nothing surprising or worthy of note when anyone one of any background attends one of the top colleges in the state and does well.

Nothing wrong with the IT colleges either, just to say.

What on earth has this got to do with IT's ?

Is a traveller that goes to trinity of more value than one that goes to DIT ?

eviltwin

alistair spuds wrote: »

well at least you are pro travelling community, and not at all bigoted about them, that's the main thing.

Wtf do you mean by that?

um7y1h83ge06nx

The most pertinent question is would you?

Tugboats

Lilian Shy Truck wrote: »

The most pertinent question is would you?

Yes but I wouldn't go back to her place

alistair spuds

eviltwin wrote: »

Wtf do you mean by that?

I doubt she has to resort to bad language either, and therefore has more decorum than you.

Dan_Solo

Was wondering for a microsecond how the headline says she got a degree and the text says she got a diploma. The Indespondent, of course.

humanji

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