Alan Pardew To Join Crystal Palace

Ulysses Gaze

Saipanne wrote: »

Lots of red faces on here...

He showed at West Ham that he was a good manager.

Whatever people think of him as a person, it's clear that he has the ability to manage a team into the top 8 in the league.

Moneymaker

No he doesn't.

People who think Pardew is a good manager, you don't know what you're talking about.

End of story.

CantGetNoSleep

Moneymaker wrote: »

No he doesn't.

People who think Pardew is a good manager, you don't know what you're talking about.

End of story.

Who do you manage?

Moneymaker

CantGetNoSleep wrote: »

Who do you manage?

I've managed to keep myself alive for 28 years, baby.

Ulysses Gaze

Moneymaker wrote: »

No he doesn't.

People who think Pardew is a good manager, you don't know what you're talking about.

End of story.

Why is he not a good manager.

Kirby

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why is he not a good manager.

Because he's not foreign and called Van Pardew, Pardigrini or Pardinho.

Hammer Archer

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

He showed at West Ham that he was a good manager.

Whatever people think of him as a person, it's clear that he has the ability to manage a team into the top 8 in the league.

How exactly did he do that? Failed in the championship in his first season. Scraped through the playoffs in the second season after securing 6th on just the last day. Had a very good first season back in the Premier League and we were seconds from winning the FA Cup so I'll give him that much. However, the season after was a nightmare and we would have undoubtedly been relegated if he hadn't been sacked when he was. Also, have a little search online for the "incident" involving him and the wife of West Ham player Carl Fletcher.

After his sacking at West Ham, he helped relegate Charlton (while we stayed up)

Moneymaker

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why is he not a good manager.

What's he won?

He plays terrible football, cowardly tactics. He can't coach flair players.

He guided Newcastle to 4 straight derby defeats, the only manager EVER in Newcastle history to do so.

He constantly makes excuses when his team loses.

He lost 4/5 games in the FA Cup. 3 against lower league opposition.

Newcastle went 102 games without scoring from a corner. What did he do on the training ground?

Newcastle were defeated 22 times by 3 goals or more since Pardew arrived(December 2010)

Heaviest home defeat since 1925.

First manager to lose 6 straight games.

Relegated Charlton. Would have relegated West Ham if he wasn't sacked.

I haven't even mentioned his total lack of professionalism and the general odiousness of the man.

But by all means, ignore this "deluded" and "fickle" Newcastle fan and continue to defend the indefensible because he strings together a few wins.

Kirby

Moneymaker wrote: »

continue to defend the indefensible because he strings together a few wins.

What makes it indefensible? If he keeps Palace up he will have achieved his remit in the job and done something most here thought he wouldn't.

Frankly, if they stay up his defence speaks for itself.

Saipanne

Kirby wrote: »

What makes it indefensible? If he keeps Palace up he will have achieved his remit in the job and done something most here thought he wouldn't.

Frankly, if they stay up his defence speaks for itself.

Hear, hear! Well said.

Moneymaker

Kirby wrote: »

What makes it indefensible? If he keeps Palace up he will have achieved his remit in the job and done something most here thought he wouldn't.

Frankly, if they stay up his defence speaks for itself.

Rubbish. A handful of wins erases his 16 year career of failure and mediocrity?

Did you watch Newcastle during his tenure?

Do people watch a different game to me and the countless fans who all agree he's a charlatan.

dreamers75

Saipanne wrote: »

Lots of red faces on here...

Its Newcastle fans mostly in fairness.

Their delusions of grandeur meant he was slated constantly.

Vurnon San Benito

dreamers75 wrote: »

Its Newcastle fans mostly in fairness.

Their delusions of grandeur meant he was slated constantly.

I think you've just proven that you, alongside the majority of others have no real idea of why Newcastle fans wanted him gone.

In fact, I'd imagine you don't really pay much attention to other Premier League clubs bar MOTD, maybe an odd headline on Sky Sports. Either that, or you're just trolling.

I won't waste my time explaining, and don't think you should anymore either Moneymaker but for what it's worth, I was the first to say when AP left for Palace, he would keep them up. He has a squad of true grafters now, none too technically talented with the odd exception of some flair in Bolasie, Zaha.

Next season will be his real test - when he gets his way in the transfer market and is allowed to put his own mark on the team. I personally believe things will end sour for Pardew like they did at almost every club he has ever managed as a West Ham fan alluded to above.

Either way, it doesn't really bother me - I just visited this thread out of interest to see why it was still alive, one particular posters strikes me as quite obsessed about him - is that you in disguise Alan?!

All in all - Pardew is so good a manager that he left to join Crystal Palace, but then again that's where all top managers go I suppose.

Saipanne

Top bloke. A man's man.

Moneymaker

Moneymaker wrote: »

No he doesn't.

People who think Pardew is a good manager, you don't know what you're talking about.

End of story.

Maybe people are just seeing the big picture. Like the time he was manager of the season after guiding Newcastle to European football. And they miss the little things that you might obsess over, like losing to Boro twice by two goals or failing whatever other odd little mini targets are set by fans of a club that frankly hasn't had success for decades.

dreamers75

Vurnon San Benito wrote: »

I think you've just proven that you, alongside the majority of others have no real idea of why Newcastle fans wanted him gone.

In fact, I'd imagine you don't really pay much attention to other Premier League clubs bar MOTD, maybe an odd headline on Sky Sports. Either that, or you're just trolling.

I think its just normal people calling out the delusions of Newcastle fans, assuming your one of them. He did what he was paid to in that he kept them up and the best players were sold year after year.

When your back in the Champo you will get that as your delusions will be more realistic.

tastyt

Saipanne wrote: »

Top bloke. A man's man.

Haha your a sad little ****. Good man!!

LOTTOWINNER

Saipanne wrote: »

Top bloke. A man's man.

Vurnon San Benito

dreamers75 wrote: »

I think its just normal people calling out the delusions of Newcastle fans, assuming your one of them. He did what he was paid to in that he kept them up and the best players were sold year after year.

When your back in the Champo you will get that as your delusions will be more realistic.

What delusion is that out of interest?

I think we'll manage somehow, considering Pardew had absolutely nothing to do with Newcastle's return to the EPL in 2010.

But of course, do continue to completely ignore the valid facts about Mr. Pardew stated by both NUFC/various supporters who happened to have watched an AP managed side week-in week-out. :rolleyes:

Moneymaker

It's like people watch a different game to us. It's baffling. He wins a few games and he's a great manager and a "proper man". A proper man that antagonises opposition managers, headbutts opposing players.

I'm out.

That_Guy

Kirby wrote: »

Because he's not foreign and called Van Pardew, Pardigrini or Pardinho.

Such a stupid argument.

CSF

IMO the truth with Pardew is somewhere in the middle of the good manager that Newcastle fans just couldn't warm to argument, and the Newcastle fan argument which makes him look like a trainwreck of a manager.

Not a great manager, he's had some really shocking spells that would see any manager sacked. But he's had some very good seasons too.

Id expect Palace to be relegated under him eventually, I wouldn't want him at Villa. With clubs like Villa, Newcastle and Palace you need managers whose lows don't drop THAT low because you're always a six-game losing spell away from the relegation zone.

Saipanne

Newcastle in free fall since he left, while palace on the rise since arrived.

LuckyLloyd

Of all the 92 managers currently employed in the English League season and the other 50 or so currently on the outside looking in he'd be decently above average imo. He's done well at Palace, it's foolish to deny that. He did well with Newcastle in 2011 / 12. And he's had very bad seasons around that and is probably not a nice man - but so what on that score as football is filled with not very nice men.

CSF

Saipanne wrote: »

Newcastle in free fall since he left, while palace on the rise since arrived.

Newcastle don't have a manager. Crystal Palace currently going through the honeymoon phase that isn't that uncommon. I don't think this proves any point. I would back Newcastle to finish ahead of Palace next season personally.

CSF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Of all the 92 managers currently employed in the English League season and the other 50 or so currently on the outside looking in he'd be decently above average imo. He's done well at Palace, it's foolish to deny that. He did well with Newcastle in 2011 / 12. And he's had very bad seasons around that and is probably not a nice man - but so what on that score as football is filled with not very nice men.

I wouldn't look at it like that. What happens off the pitch is frequently just as important. Pardew's character has cost him numerous times. You could argue that he lost the Southampton job and the Newcastle job (I appreciated he resigned rather than was sacked but I'd find it difficult to accept that he thought Palace were a more attractive prospect on the pitch and financially).

I'm not actually aware what led to him ceasing employment with West Ham or Charlton but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that his personality was a factor.

Moneymaker

Newcastle aren't in free fall. We're as bad as we were when Pardew was in charge.

We have Cardew now. Same tactics, same spinelessness.

There is a definite argument however that his hands were tied by Mike Ashley. He is the true problem.

Wilberto

CSF wrote: »

(I appreciated he resigned rather than was sacked but I'd find it difficult to accept that he thought Palace were a more attractive prospect on the pitch and financially).

It may not have been a more attractive prospect in that regard, but it was definitely more attractive when you consider the abuse he was getting at Newcastle, and the fact that he was a former player who made 128 appearances for them during his playing days.

Mainly the former though!


Personally, I think Newcastle fans lost a lot of respect from everyone else after the way they treated a well respected Premier League manager in Sam Allardyce so when they came out in protest against any subsequent managers they seemed to lack credibility from the perspective of the fans from the "outside world".

CSF

Wilberto wrote: »

It may not have been a more attractive prospect in that regard, but it was definitely more attractive when you consider the abuse he was getting at Newcastle, and the fact that he was a former player who made 128 appearances for them during his playing days.

Mainly the former though!


Personally, I think Newcastle fans lost a lot of respect from everyone else after the way they treated a well respected Premier League manager in Sam Allardyce so when they came out in protest against any subsequent managers they seemed to lack credibility from the perspective of the fans from the "outside world".

This is the point I'm making really. If Pardew wasn't such a dislikable character, he'd probably not have gotten the abuse at Newcastle, and probably wouldn't have felt the need to go to Palace.

Bridge93

Newcastle in free fall of a whole one position in the league in a period where they've played Man Utd twice, everton twice, chelsea, Southampton and man city.
They're actually unbeaten in the league against teams you might consider average like themselves.
Pardew has had the odd decent season (the odd brilliant season) but he is far too inconsistent he has a horrible habit of bringing teams from good positions to absolutely awful ones, there is no stability with him from season to season and from one set of 5 games to the next. As for his antics, the less said the better.

The funny thing is Newcastle was probably his best managerial performance. He failed at West Ham, Charlton and Southampton, a lot at lower level, and was never going to endear himself to newcastle with his behaviour and his derby record. At a club where the derbies are the only real way to gauge a success of some kind (never going to win anything) is record is a disgrace against horrendous Sunderland teams. Newcastle have kept Sunderland up the last two years.

Bridge93

CSF wrote: »

I wouldn't look at it like that. What happens off the pitch is frequently just as important. Pardew's character has cost him numerous times. You could argue that he lost the Southampton job and the Newcastle job (I appreciated he resigned rather than was sacked but I'd find it difficult to accept that he thought Palace were a more attractive prospect on the pitch and financially).

I'm not actually aware what led to him ceasing employment with West Ham or Charlton but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that his personality was a factor.

He lost his job at west ham as they were about to be relegated and had their worst period of form for 70 years.
Charlton sacked him after he was relegated with them, then failed to be promoted with one of the championships best squads. The next year they were nearly bottom after 10 games so they sacked him.

CSF

CSF wrote: »

I would back Newcastle to finish ahead of Palace next season personally.

Probably, but as you yourself acknowledge with your very next post, for reasons that have nothing to do with the manager...

CSF wrote: »

I'd find it difficult to accept that he thought Palace were a more attractive prospect on the pitch and financially.

That_Guy

Wilberto wrote: »

when they came out in protest against any subsequent managers they seemed to lack credibility from the perspective of the fans from the "outside world".

Yeah, all those protests against Keegan and Hughton were disgraceful.... Oh wait.

Anger is well and truly with Ashley. But we should be happy that the club is being run into the ground for the sake of gaining a profit I suppose yeah?

CSF

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Probably, but as you yourself acknowledge with your very next post, for reasons that have nothing to do with the manager...

True, but I was merely pointing out that the guys assertion that this small timeframe for both clubs in the immediate aftermath of those managerial changes, probably isn't indicative of the long-term, and hence probably not a very good measuring tape to use for anything.

Saipanne

Another heroic win for Palace. Fair play to Pardew. Great manager. What a turnaround.

And! They are now ahead of his former club.


Lotta red faces on this thread. Lotta red...

AdamD

League table since Sir Alan of Pardew took over.

pmasterson95

I remember saying that Newcastle will regret loosing Pardew and they will be worse off.....That_Guy was adamant I was wrong. I wonder how he feels now.

Harry Palmr

Hopefully the Power of Pardew can bag three points tomorrow and send City into a tailspin.

Saipanne

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I remember saying that Newcastle will regret loosing Pardew and they will be worse off.....That_Guy was adamant I was wrong. I wonder how he feels now.

The doubters will evoke the " next season" clause, no doubt.

Saipanne

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Hopefully the Power of Pardew can bag three points tomorrow and send City into a tailspin.

Pardew bless you.

CSF

Saipanne wrote: »

The doubters will evoke the " next season" clause, no doubt.

I'm not a doubter, but as with all managers that come in halfway through the season, next season usually is the test.

AdamD

AdamD wrote: »

League table since Sir Alan of Pardew took over.

It was thoroughly decent of Pardew to leave Newcastle in a position where they could pretty much not be relegated this season. Because clearly that's a team that isn't gonna trouble too many others. They'll have to hope the next manager also gets them to be better than the sum of their parts.

Moneymaker

This forum has gone to the absolute dogs.

Glad I barely post here anymore.

Saipanne

Moneymaker wrote: »

This forum has gone to the absolute dogs.

Glad I barely post here anymore.

Why, because people disagree with you? Some people appreciate Pardiola's talents.

eagle eye

Saipanne wrote: »

Why, because people disagree with you? Some people appreciate Pardiola's talents.

The problem is that it's only a part of a season and people are ragging on how right they were which is ridiculous.

Next season is when we will see how things pan out. If somebody takes over Newcastle and they are challenging for a spot in Europe then that ends the debate about Pardew leaving them being a disaster. Similarly if Crystal Palace suddenly end up in a relegation battle next season then you have to ask questions about Pardew.

Fact of the matter is that Palace were doing quite well under Tony Pulis and just didn't perform under Holloway. If you disregard the few months that Holloway was in charge I don't think there has been a huge improvement in form at Palace.

That_Guy

pmasterson95 wrote: »

I remember saying that Newcastle will regret loosing Pardew and they will be worse off.....That_Guy was adamant I was wrong. I wonder how he feels now.

Maybe actually wait until Newcastle actually install a new manager yeah? Good lad.

Saipanne

eagle eye wrote: »

The problem is that it's only a part of a season and people are ragging on how right they were which is ridiculous.

Next season is when we will see how things pan out. If somebody takes over Newcastle and they are challenging for a spot in Europe then that ends the debate about Pardew leaving them being a disaster. Similarly if Crystal Palace suddenly end up in a relegation battle next season then you have to ask questions about Pardew.

Fact of the matter is that Palace were doing quite well under Tony Pulis and just didn't perform under Holloway. If you disregard the few months that Holloway was in charge I don't think there has been a huge improvement in form at Palace.

And if you disregard the season they finished 16th, Pardew performed adequately with Newcastle.

It's easy when you delete what you want.

CSF

Saipanne wrote: »

And if you disregard the season they finished 16th, Pardew performed adequately with Newcastle.

It's easy when you delete what you want.

So in conclusion, Pardew is an inconsistent manager and Newcastle are an inconsistent football club? Agreed.

Saipanne

CSF wrote: »

So in conclusion, Pardew is an inconsistent manager and Newcastle are an inconsistent football club? Agreed.

I'd actually agree. But Pardew is making fools of you all... for now.

That_Guy

Saipanne wrote: »

And if you disregard the season they finished 16th, Pardew performed adequately with Newcastle.

It's easy when you delete what you want.

It's also easy to ignore facts and see what you want... If we're going by your logic.