Cutting Edge - The Club - 1994 Documentary

alxmorgan

Anatom wrote: »

I do try to understand others' views, at least I hope I do.

GreeBo's comment is not harsh at all. You mightn't like it, but in my view it is to do (partly) with upbringing. You're either brought up to believe its OK to walk onto the first tee in Speedos and a Leeds Utd. t-shirt, or you're not. I wasn't and I'm damn sure my children won't be either. Like I said, I'm probably a snob, but I'm also sure that I'm not alone. That doesn't mean that I'm a pure "suit" either, it's just that there's a time and a place for everything.

To be fair though you've muddied the waters here. Its very different to say someone shouldn't walk onto the first tee in a tracksuit versus saying they shouldn't walk out their front door in one.

Carpo86

Assuming that you can infer a lot about someone's upbringing by the fact that they are wearing a tracksuit outside of their home says more about you than it does about them.

Anatom

alxmorgan wrote: »

To be fair though you've muddied the waters here. Its very different to say someone shouldn't walk onto the first tee in a tracksuit versus saying they shouldn't walk out their front door in one.

Perhaps, but you're taking my comments too far there to be fair. They're saying the same thing really, but my feelings about wearing tracksuits outside the front door are doubly bolstered by seeing them worn on a golf course..!

Mind you, I haven't seen anyone in one on the course in my club. Maybe we're all snobs...

Anatom

Carpo86 wrote: »

Assuming that you can infer a lot about someone's upbringing by the fact that they are wearing a tracksuit outside of their home says more about you than it does about them.

Where did anyone infer they can infer a lot (or anything) about someone's upbringing from the fact that they wear a tracksuit outside of their home? And what exactly does it say?

alxmorgan

Anatom wrote: »

Perhaps, but you're taking my comments too far there to be fair. They're saying the same thing really, but my feelings about wearing tracksuits outside the front door are doubly bolstered by seeing them worn on a golf course..!

Mind you, I haven't seen anyone in one on the course in my club. Maybe we're all snobs...

I'm afraid I think you are being a snob. I was brought up right and do wear tracksuits (bottoms at least) quite a bit.

Not on the golf course or at work or in pubs or restaurants but out and about yes i.e. outside my front door

Anatom

Fair enough. I admitted as much a while back.

Carpo86

You made the comment that

'I'm a snob. There, I've admitted it. Wearing a tracksuit anywhere outside your front door, unless you're involved in some sort of running or cycling or footballing activity, just looks cheap and I don't want to see it on a golf course.

This was then followed up by the comment from Greebo which I think it's fair to say you agreed with that:

GreeBo wrote: »

I don't think any of that makes you a snob, I think it means you have standards that you hold yourself and others to.

I think its mostly to do with upbringing.

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that this is consistent with expressing the view that the wearing of tracksuits outside the home says something about someone's upbringing.

If that is not what either of you were suggesting that I apologise for any such insinuation. The basic point still stands.

Anatom

I think my last post crossed with yours....

GreeBo

Carpo86 wrote: »

Assuming that you can infer a lot about someone's upbringing by the fact that they are wearing a tracksuit outside of their home says more about you than it does about them.

There seems to be a link on this thread between wearing a tracksuit and a poor upbringing.
Please note, I never said or implied such a thing.

Nowhere did I comment on the quality or rightness/wrongness of any upbringing.
In fact what I did say was :

If you grow up in a house where people wear tracksuits all day then that is normal for you. If you grow up in a house where people wear suits all day then thats normal for you too. Neither is wrong or right, just different expectations.

If people want to interpret wearing a tracksuit as the result of a poor upbringing then fire ahead, but take note that the link is in your heads, not mine.

A point to ponder; perhaps the fact that this link was made lends credence to one side of the debate...

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

I'm afraid I think you are being a snob. I was brought up right and do wear tracksuits (bottoms at least) quite a bit.

Not on the golf course or at work or in pubs or restaurants but out and about yes i.e. outside my front door

Who said being brought up to wear a tracksuit means you were brought up "wrong"?
Again, the people making this link are arguing against their own point imo.

alxmorgan

GreeBo wrote: »

Who said being brought up to wear a tracksuit means you were brought up "wrong"?
Again, the people making this link are arguing against their own point imo.

Ok right and wrong may be the wrong use terms to use but I was mainly responding to this:

"Wearing a tracksuit anywhere outside your front door, unless you're involved in some sort of running or cycling or footballing activity, just looks cheap"

He has admitted he is a snob which is fair enough.

Carpo86

GreeBo wrote: »

I don't think any of that makes you a snob, I think it means you have standards that you hold yourself and others to.

I think its mostly to do with upbringing.

GreeBo wrote: »

There seems to be a link on this thread between wearing a tracksuit and a poor upbringing.
Please note, I never said or implied such a thing.

Nowhere did I comment on the quality or rightness/wrongness of any upbringing.
In fact what I did say was :


If people want to interpret wearing a tracksuit as the result of a poor upbringing then fire ahead, but take note that the link is in your heads, not mine.

A point to ponder; perhaps the fact that this link was made lends credence to one side of the debate...

Where did I use the word 'poor' (or any similar word) in relation to someone's wearing of a tracksuit and someone's upbringing?

Ironically, despite the fact that you are trying to insinuate that is me who is making that assumption, it is actually you.

My point is that making assumptions (of any description, either positive or negative) on someone's upbringing, based on their sartorial choices outside the home is just a nonsense.

GreeBo

Carpo86 wrote: »

Where did I use the word 'poor' (or any similar word) in relation to someone's wearing of a tracksuit and someone's upbringing?

Ironically, despite the fact that you are trying to insinuate that is me who is making that assumption, it is actually you.

My point is that making assumptions (of any description, either positive or negative) on someone's upbringing, based on their sartorial choices outside the home is just a nonsense.

I don't think I said you did, I distinctly said "this thread"?

But in any case, what did you mean when you said this?
To me this reads that you think I or others have suggested a tracksuit wearer had a poor upbringing?

I don't think it's a stretch to suggest that this is consistent with expressing the view that the wearing of tracksuits outside the home says something about someone's upbringing.

Again, the below quote, at least to me, implies that you believe something negative has been said/implied regarding tracksuit wearers and their upbringing?

Assuming that you can infer a lot about someone's upbringing by the fact that they are wearing a tracksuit outside of their home says more about you than it does about them.

Finally, I cant agree that forming an opinion about someone based on how the present themselves to the world is "nonsense". They are choosing to present an image to everyone they meet. The choice of image they portray is without doubt influenced by the environment they grew up in.

Have I completely taken the wrong impression from your posts? It honestly doesn't feel like it from the posts I quoted above.

GreeBo

alxmorgan wrote: »

Ok right and wrong may be the wrong use terms to use but I was mainly responding to this:

"Wearing a tracksuit anywhere outside your front door, unless you're involved in some sort of running or cycling or footballing activity, just looks cheap"

He has admitted he is a snob which is fair enough.

It does look cheap though.
I still do it, but I'm aware that I look cheap, hence its done under limited circumstances.

FixdePitchmark

I'd like to suggest some of the most corrupt individuals in Ireland over the last 20 years were in 3 piece suits.

Most were upstanding members of Golf Clubs, in fact, some of these collapsed the entire economy and have put many golf clubs at risk of closure.

Proves it is bad practice to make judgements on the way people are dressed.

Then on the other hand - some will argue that golf dose not have an image problem.

Anyway - like the mobile phone , it is as good as ignored now, by even the most respected members. It will be gone from most clubs in 5 years. You need people to push the limits in al walks of life.

Fashion has changed golf clothing - it is driven by the pros and kids. If you think you can control fashion trends you are mad - because these are the kids that will run the place in the end.

Look at the trend in golf "shoes" - nobody can argue these are golf shoes - they could try on boards here.
But the pink "golf shoes" I posted above - i was wearing stuff like that (not pink) about 20 years ago playing indoor ball.

Of course - 20 years ago kids/adults with runners were not allowed near a golf course. In fact kids in runners had a similar stereotype attached to them

So people here are stuck in the past- yes , I like some of the aspects of the past, but I know I can't control the desires of the young and the future.

Anatom

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I'd like to suggest some of the most corrupt individuals in Ireland over the last 20 years were in 3 piece suits.

Most were upstanding members of Golf Clubs, in fact, some of these collapsed the entire economy and have put many golf clubs at risk of closure.

Proves it is bad practice to make judgements on the way people are dressed.

Then on the other hand - some will argue that golf dose not have an image problem.

Anyway - like the mobile phone , it is as good as ignored now, by even the most respected members. It will be gone from most clubs in 5 years. You need people to push the limits in al walks of life.

Fashion has changed golf clothing - it is driven by the pros and kids. If you think you can control fashion trends you are mad - because these are the kids that will run the place in the end.

Look at the trend in golf "shoes" - nobody can argue these are golf shoes - they could try on boards here.
But the pink "golf shoes" I posted above - i was wearing stuff like that (not pink) about 20 years ago playing indoor ball.

Of course - 20 years ago kids/adults with runners were not allowed near a golf course. In fact kids in runners had a similar stereotype attached to them

So people here are stuck in the past- yes , I like some of the aspects of the past, but I know I can't control the desires of the young and the future.

You're right. Everyone gets pulled along by the current in the end - whether they like it or not..!

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

Then they should try to get the rules changed, but, as I said earlier unless the majority wants to change them you need to suck it up or move.

I might find it offensive, but who am I to decide what someone else wants to wear?

Which again is why we have rules for the club, agreed on by everyone when they joined.


How is it harsh? Everyone is moulded by their upbringing?
If you grow up in a house where people wear tracksuits all day then that is normal for you. If you grow up in a house where people wear suits all day then thats normal for you too. Neither is wrong or right, just different expectations.

Thats not even an answer / argument to the post you quoted. Once again your falling back on, its the rules, suck it up. The majority doesn't want it. There is such a thing as meeting half way.

Thats the attitude you should have for golf attire, and it goes completely against what you've been arguing. Swimming has acceptable clothing aswell.

Agreed to follow and agreeing with the rules are two different things. You can agree to follow a rule you don't like, doesn't mean you wouldn't change it if you could.

Not at all. My father always wore a pair of trousers when I was younger yet I chose to wear jeans/track bottoms and I still continue this outside of golf. A friends father is really into fitness,always has been and mostly wore tracksuits, yet his son wears trousers most of the time now.

As to why I think its harsh,

I don't think any of that makes you a snob, I think it means you have standards that you hold yourself and others to.

I think its mostly to do with upbringing.

The post you were agreeing to talks of how tracksuits are cheap looking and you said it in a later post aswell. So you think tracksuits are below standard,and you say its probably upbringing that lead to these lower standards in your opinion. You basically insulted the parents of anyone who dressed in tracksuits

FixdePitchmark

Sure Anatom.

Own shoes i was wearing today - couldn't have dreamt I'd wear them 4 years ago.

You see lads in 60s - with colourful "golf shoes " - they are runners lads - no fooling ourselves.

From Walter Hagen to now the iterations are small as Dan has said.

The internet and modern life has an incredible impact on the acceleration of change.

Part of the problem with golf overall - it is still interested in constant or slow change - but this is a parallel universe to the modern world.

Even smart phones - most men in 60s have them - my dad in 80s has an ipad.

Anyway - I'd say things will be unrecognisable in 10 years - never mind 30.

Anatom

True that. Not sure I'll ever see the pink shoes though...

The only concern I have with the shoes thing is grip. Runner-type soles just wouldn't give me any confidence in my swing. Especially in Co. Kildare and at this time of year...!

Interestingly, the camping holiday place we go to in France has a strict policy about swimwear at the poolside - no baggy shorts - Speedo-type things only. They say its a hygiene thing, but I don't understand it at all. No one looks good in those...!

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Thats not even an answer / argument to the post you quoted. Once again your falling back on, its the rules, suck it up. The majority doesn't want it. There is such a thing as meeting half way.

Meeting whom half way?
If the majority dont want it, why would you change it?

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Thats the attitude you should have for golf attire, and it goes completely against what you've been arguing. Swimming has acceptable clothing aswell.

Yes it does, I dont follow your point?

Try to wear a pair of board shorts to a pool in France and let me know how you get on.

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Agreed to follow and agreeing with the rules are two different things. You can agree to follow a rule you don't like, doesn't mean you wouldn't change it if you could.

Agreed. But if the majority dont want to change it...?

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Not at all. My father always wore a pair of trousers when I was younger yet I chose to wear jeans/track bottoms and I still continue this outside of golf. A friends father is really into fitness,always has been and mostly wore tracksuits, yet his son wears trousers most of the time now.

As posted above, I wear a tracksuit, when its appropriate. I dont have a problem with jeans or a tracksuit themselves.

dan_ep82 wrote: »

As to why I think its harsh,

The post you were agreeing to talks of how tracksuits are cheap looking and you said it in a later post aswell. So you think tracksuits are below standard,and you say its probably upbringing that lead to these lower standards in your opinion. You basically insulted the parents of anyone who dressed in tracksuits

Now you are making invalid inferences.
Tracksuits out of context look cheap. The reason for this is probably historical, they were the cheapest of casual clothing you could get, compared to a "proper" pair of casual trousers.

I don't believe I said they were below standard, I said cheap. As in lower in cost than similar items, e.g. trousers.
Anyway, you accused me of being harsh before I mentioned cheapness.

If that insults you then again, it is you who are drawing the link between a tracksuit and a poor upbringing.

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

Meeting whom half way?
If the majority dont want it, why would you change it?


Yes it does, I dont follow your point?

Try to wear a pair of board shorts to a pool in France and let me know how you get on.


Agreed. But if the majority dont want to change it...?


As posted above, I wear a tracksuit, when its appropriate. I dont have a problem with jeans or a tracksuit themselves.


Now you are making invalid inferences.
Tracksuits out of context look cheap. The reason for this is probably historical, they were the cheapest of casual clothing you could get, compared to a "proper" pair of casual trousers.

I don't believe I said they were below standard, I said cheap. As in lower in cost than similar items, e.g. trousers.
Anyway, you accused me of being harsh before I mentioned cheapness.

If that insults you then again, it is you who are drawing the link between a tracksuit and a poor upbringing.

The minority in your view of course. If you weren't part of the majority?

I might find it offensive, but who am I to decide what someone else wants to wear?

Its the same situation as golf, there are acceptable levels of swimwear the same way they're are acceptable levels of golfwear. One you would argue about for ages,the other its just meh

The majority can change?

That was in reference to your other post saying your upbringing dictates your choices in life. It may influence them, either with or away from what it was like for you as a kid, but it still leaves you with a choice. Just because my father wore trousers didn't mean I felt the need to wear the them too.

Its just my sense of logic conflicts with yours it seems.
Thats just an opinion, not a fact. As to them being historically cheap,shorts were cheaper but never would you say someone wearing shorts looked cheap. The same way a jumper usually cost less than a hoddie, never made jumpers look cheap to me.

Anyway, you accused me of being harsh before I mentioned cheapness.

True, you just compounded it.

Maybe take a little more time and explain your posts a little better? Genuinely not being smart but I'm obviously missing the context where you can see it clearly. I might even agree with you on some points then

GreeBo

dan_ep82 wrote: »

The minority in your view of course. If you weren't part of the majority?



Its the same situation as golf, there are acceptable levels of swimwear the same way they're are acceptable levels of golfwear. One you would argue about for ages,the other its just meh

The majority can change?

That was in reference to your other post saying your upbringing dictates your choices in life. It may influence them, either with or away from what it was like for you as a kid, but it still leaves you with a choice. Just because my father wore trousers didn't mean I felt the need to wear the them too.

Its just my sense of logic conflicts with yours it seems.
Thats just an opinion, not a fact. As to them being historically cheap,shorts were cheaper but never would you say someone wearing shorts looked cheap. The same way a jumper usually cost less than a hoddie, never made jumpers look cheap to me.

True, you just compounded it.

Maybe take a little more time and explain your posts a little better? Genuinely not being smart but I'm obviously missing the context where you can see it clearly. I might even agree with you on some points then

It's the job of the minority to become the majority, either that or accept it, or finally move on elsewhere.

I'm still not following your swimwear point I'm afraid...

It doesn't dictate, it has a massive influence though.
If both your parents suit at home drinking on the scratcher, you are far more likely to do the same, for example. If they both are doctors you are more likely to become a doctor. It's not predetermined either way, but in the majority of cases...

Someone wearing tailored shorts no, but they aren't cheaper than cheap tracksuits.

My point is that you shouldn't keep stopping your standards to reach out to the lowest common denominator, you mentioned meet halfway, I hardly think requiring accepted standards of golf attire is onerous?

Where do you stop at this relaxing of rules, genuine question, if you think changes should be driven by the minority then where does it stop?

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

It's the job of the minority to become the majority, either that or accept it, or finally move on elsewhere.

I'm still not following your swimwear point I'm afraid...

It doesn't dictate, it has a massive influence though.
If both your parents suit at home drinking on the scratcher, you are far more likely to do the same, for example. If they both are doctors you are more likely to become a doctor. It's not predetermined either way, but in the majority of cases...

Someone wearing tailored shorts no, but they aren't cheaper than cheap tracksuits.

My point is that you shouldn't keep stopping your standards to reach out to the lowest common denominator, you mentioned meet halfway, I hardly think requiring accepted standards of golf attire is onerous?

Where do you stop at this relaxing of rules, genuine question, if you think changes should be driven by the minority then where does it stop?

Thats what I think will happen though. You grew up with trousers and polo's being the normal, which is what the people you looked up to/aspired to which I think has more of an impact that upbringing. I sincerely think it will change, how far it will go though I'm not sure. Looking at my younger brother and other juniors I think tracksuits is as far as it would go for this generation at least.

Not in my experience at least. I know of two lads I went to school with, both had very succesfull parents and a great work/study ethos and both are on the dole and one has never had a job :eek:

At the same time, I know of another who had a dad who's still known as a stoner and he has his own business now which is great.

I do agree that some do follow their parents ethos, but I think it's down to an individual basis. They're friends and others their age seem to have a much bigger impact.

Penny's always had a cheap mens section and the auld lad bought tailored shorts from there usually under a tenner. Tracksuit bottoms were the same but usually €5 dearer. There is always the cheap version of something (not always matched in price, but quality) but the same goes for suits. You can buy a full cheap suit from well known shops that threads start coming loose from in one wash.

Not at all, but the standard is a rule currently. If it was to change to allow track bottoms tomorrow you would still think they were below standard. In that way its still an opinion and everyone's can be different.
The lowest common denominator (would be new golfers?), what if a couple of the small changes made it more enticing and more felt they could join without feeling like they had to change who they were to get in, they could become just as big as the current majority.

I know its just clothes but to alot of people what they wear is who they are in a way.

As mentioned above I think this generation would stop at track bottoms and tops. I know the fear is football jersey,wife beaters,jeans and loud t-shirts would become the norm but I don't think so. Honestly though, I think it would go as far as the current fashion of those who are also into sport. You wouldn't see a guy wearing his favourite soccer jersey to an aussie rules game (well you might have a small minority), they'd wear the same thing the pro's are wearing, those they aspire to.

Since I've joined I've seen some god awful (taste wise) stuff on the course, but none more extravagant than RickyFowler or Ian Poulter, most would wear similar style to rory,tiger, bubba etc

GreeBo

I reckon you can bet the farm on the professionals never wearing tracksuit bottoms and sleeveless t shirts.

New golfers aren't the LCD, new golfers who refuse to wear the expected clothes are. You want changes to suit the minority, yet didn't answer where this stops? I'm sure if you allowed anything you would get a few more golfers in. Would that be worth it to you?

Dr.Rieux

I think there should be some slight middle ground, like Jeans, T-shirt and hoodie/jumper, although I can't imagine a hoodie being comfortable while playing. That's what I, and many others, wear to work so I'd consider it appropriate personally. I wouldn't be a fan of tracksuit bottoms and think that they give off the appearance of lazing about the place, because that is the reason that I wear them, no other reason than that. Then again, I wear the below trousers (my picture), and have ordered the below shoes/runners.

SaveOurLyric

Any restriction on attire is just snobbery.

dan_ep82

GreeBo wrote: »

I reckon you can bet the farm on the professionals never wearing tracksuit bottoms and sleeveless t shirts.

New golfers aren't the LCD, new golfers who refuse to wear the expected clothes are. You want changes to suit the minority, yet didn't answer where this stops? I'm sure if you allowed anything you would get a few more golfers in. Would that be worth it to you?

Why wouldn't they, I'm sure they'd wear them if they play football during training. Golf is still a sport after all so sportwear can be beneficial.

LCD?

I did in as best I can without knowing the future

As mentioned above I think this generation would stop at track bottoms and tops. I know the fear is football jersey,wife beaters,jeans and loud t-shirts would become the norm but I don't think so. Honestly though, I think it would go as far as the current fashion of those who are also into sport. You wouldn't see a guy wearing his favourite soccer jersey to an aussie rules game (well you might have a small minority), they'd wear the same thing the pro's are wearing, those they aspire to.

Of course! Why wouldn't you? They still have to abide by the rules of the course/golf , its only clothes?

Dr.Rieux wrote: »

I think there should be some slight middle ground, like Jeans, T-shirt and hoodie/jumper, although I can't imagine a hoodie being comfortable while playing. That's what I, and many others, wear to work so I'd consider it appropriate personally. I wouldn't be a fan of tracksuit bottoms and think that they give off the appearance of lazing about the place, because that is the reason that I wear them, no other reason than that. Then again, I wear the below trousers (my picture), and have ordered the below shoes/runners.

Tracksuit bottoms get used to laze around in true, but they're also used by sport athletes as that is what they were intended for, I think most peoples views on them are the same as yours, but again I think its just a style.

Nearly all golf jackets look like tracksuit tops, and all wet bottoms look like tracksuit bottoms which is why I didn't think it would be a big leap

As for jeans, I've tipped into the range when out shopping with the missus a few times and frankly jeans suck to play in

Dr.Rieux

dan_ep82 wrote: »

Tracksuit bottoms get used to laze around in true, but they're also used by sport athletes as that is what they were intended for, I think most peoples views on them are the same as yours, but again I think its just a style.

Nearly all golf jackets look like tracksuit tops, and all wet bottoms look like tracksuit bottoms which is why I didn't think it would be a big leap

As for jeans, I've tipped into the range when out shopping with the missus a few times and frankly jeans suck to play in

To me it's all personal preference. I used to be a runner and never found a pair of tracksuit bottoms that I was comfortable doing any sport in.

I've never tried jeans playing, but can't see how they're too different from trousers for playing?

dan_ep82

Dr.Rieux wrote: »

To me it's all personal preference. I used to be a runner and never found a pair of tracksuit bottoms that I was comfortable doing any sport in.

I've never tried jeans playing, but can't see how they're too different from trousers for playing?

I felt movement is more restricted, more so when your flexing your knees etc

GreeBo

Dr.Rieux wrote: »

I think there should be some slight middle ground, like Jeans, T-shirt and hoodie/jumper, although I can't imagine a hoodie being comfortable while playing. That's what I, and many others, wear to work so I'd consider it appropriate personally. I wouldn't be a fan of tracksuit bottoms and think that they give off the appearance of lazing about the place, because that is the reason that I wear them, no other reason than that. Then again, I wear the below trousers (my picture), and have ordered the below shoes/runners.

I don't see an issue, they are not to my taste but they are trousers so they are in.

The problem with relaxing to a middle ground is that you have to keep relaxing.
It makes no sense to allow plain tracksuits but not stripped ones, so then you allow stripped.
What's the difference between a sleeveless t-shirt and a vest? Nothing really, ok vests are now ok. Vest versus basketball shirt? Ok they are in too. Might as well allow topless at this stage.
And so on and so on.

I still honestly don't see the need. 100% when it was a suit, it makes no sense to enforce a suit when there are more comfortable and more accessible while still smart clothes available.
There is just no reason to relax it further other than the "I don't like wearing trousers, you can't make me, I hate you!" Kevin and Perry argument, which is worrying from an adult, for me.

PARlance

I can't see why anyone can thinks that golf attire these days would stop someone from playing.
It's extremely casual at present imo, you just have to look at brands such as Lylle & Scott to see that their "golf" range is practically identical to their "street" range. I've played with plenty of younger golfers wearing skinny chinos and polo shirts and you would expect to see them wearing these off the course as well.
All smart, but golf/street smart.

Jeans & Hoddies make no sense to me as I've worn both to the range on a few occasions and always regret wearing them, just find them restrictive and uncomfortable. I've played with people that have worn either dark or light jeans (or cords) and they look ok, from a distance they pass as "smart" attire.
Blue jeans would stick out a mile, if someone has a big enough issue with not being allowed to wear blue jeans then they should stick on a bit of Neil Diamond and give the golf a miss imo.

I could possibly see v-neck or round neck shirts coming in (to acceptance) down the line. They can still look good/smart but until then I can't see why anyone would have a big issue with wearing a polo shirt instead. Many sleeve-less wind breakers are round or V neck at present, so it's not a massive leap until we see the same in T-shirts possibly. In any case, I don't know anyone without a polo shirt hanging in their wardrobe.

I think smart tracksuit pants have already made their way into golfing attire. As I mentioned earlier, Dwyers & Co do a range of light polyester golf "trousers". Smart tracksuit pants imo. I've played with guys in similar, non golfing, ones and the only difference is the lack of a golfing brand label & possibly a belt strap. Coupled with a polo and golf shoes I doubt they would be turned away from the majority of courses.

Wet gear, body armour and wind breakers are all casual now. A high % of golf shoes are trainers. You can get Adidas samba golf shoes! A long way from Madchester to Royal Dublin.

So, if anyone said that they didn't want to play golf because they didn't like the formal or old fashioned attire in the game then I think they would be unaware of what's out there or just being contrary. A false impression may be a deterrent but the reality isn't imo.
I would guess that 99% of people would have something that would pass as golf smart on 90% of courses.

Comparing golf attire to most other sports attire isn't comparing like with like imo. The clothes are not necessarily part of the performance or indeed uniform in. It's a dress code rather than a piece of sporting kit.
Darts isn't seen as a "stuffy" sport yet the pros all wear trousers and polo shirts.
A lot of amateur dart pub teams will also have polo shirts. If you're representing your county (amateur) then you'll have a smart outfit. All this in what many see as the most relaxed or casual of sports.....

I think the argument was valid a while ago but certainly not now.

Ally McIntosh

leonards wrote: »

Really good doc. Thought the old poetic guy was really good.. Not sure why everyone is now posting pics of crappy loud pants and taking about shell suits...

I thought it was a really good documentary as well. Many clubs aren't that much different to this nowadays.

GreeBo

Ally McIntosh wrote: »

I thought it was a really good documentary as well. Many clubs aren't that much different to this nowadays.

Which specific clubs do you think arent much different?

Anatom

GreeBo wrote: »

Which specific clubs do you think arent much different?

I remember playing in a club in the UK a good few times many, many years ago (late 80's / early 90's) and things like the dress code and where you could park your car or get changed were very strictly enforced. To the point of stuffiness.

I'm not sure how stuffy clubs here are by comparison nowadays, but I'd imagine the more expensive older ones would be sticklers for their standards - not perhaps to the same extreme perhaps.

sydneybound

Anatom wrote: »

I remember playing in a club in the UK a good few times many, many years ago (late 80's / early 90's) and things like the dress code and where you could park your car or get changed were very strictly enforced. To the point of stuffiness.

I'm not sure how stuffy clubs here are by comparison nowadays, but I'd imagine the more expensive older ones would be sticklers for their standards - not perhaps to the same extreme perhaps.

Haha! Here I come in again with my club...

Industrial cars or vans (including taxis of course) are not allowed to be parked in our top car park they must be parked in the bottom one further from the club entrance and clubhouse. I kid you not!

Children/Juniors aren't allowed in the members bar where everyone sits and only allowed in a small corridor outside the main members bar.

Mobile phones can only be used in the gents locker rooms and nowhere else in the building, their strict on this.

They still employ a locker boy abeit the man is in his 50's whose job is really a cleaner but he'll help older member put on their shoes and anything else they demand of him. Actually feel sorry for the poor chap runs around all day to these bullocks and they never say thanks. Apparently he'll clean your locker if you request it but I would never ask. The majority of members have lockers to keep their clubs bit unlike many clubs in Ireland these days.

I'm sure I forgot a few crackers too. It's a real old established club with a lot of history in a desirable part of town so they can get away with it however due to a recent members survey they've had to change some aspects of the club.

alxmorgan

sydneybound wrote: »

Haha! Here I come in again with my club...

Industrial cars or vans (including taxis of course) are not allowed to be parked in our top car park they must be parked in the bottom one further from the club entrance and clubhouse. I kid you not!

Children/Juniors aren't allowed in the members bar where everyone sits and only allowed in a small corridor outside the main members bar.

Mobile phones can only be used in the gents locker rooms and nowhere else in the building, their strict on this.

They still employ a locker boy abeit the man is in his 50's whose job is really a cleaner but he'll help older member put on their shoes and anything else they demand of him. Actually feel sorry for the poor chap runs around all day to these bullocks and they never say thanks. Apparently he'll clean your locker if you request it but I would never ask. The majority of members have lockers to keep their clubs bit unlike many clubs in Ireland these days.

I'm sure I forgot a few crackers too. It's a real old established club with a lot of history in a desirable part of town so they can get away with it however due to a recent members survey they've had to change some aspects of the club.

Sounds like a lovely welcoming place