Health At Every Size

estudent

Health At Every Size (HAES) is quite simply the belief that women are healthy at all sizes. Nutritionists are constantly shaming bigger ladies and telling us that we're unhealthy based off inaccurate studies and a possible agenda.

I like big women, find them incredibly sexy as hell but not so big that it would affect their health.

I've noticed that even unhealthy obese women are physically attractive to some alpha males. I've yet to see examples of women that find obese men physically attractive and I'm wondering why this is.

You could say the ideal man for a lot of women is muscular, tall man with good income or just a good income (to provide security for offspring) but rarely have I heard of women seeking out fat men specifically the way some men would women..

I was watching this video and it was talking about how it's all genetic, that it's natural for women to be bigger and I tend to agree but this video is suggesting that even obesity is normal which I disagree with.

Any thoughts on why women don't seek out 'big men' as a mating partner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL3S0JCD_MY

Menas

Because they are fat and wobble a lot ?

A new reg making a video about fat chicks? Awesome.

What a bizarre and delusional video

Macavity.

Just the thread to finish off which has been at best a below average year.

estudent

Deleted User wrote: »

A new reg making a video about fat chicks? Awesome.

I actually believe it's womens magazines that are most critical on weight issues and apply the most pressure on women to lose weight because I don't see any mens magazines critical of women for weight issues.

I generally disapprove of magazines targeting women that discuss diets and crap like this.

One eyed Jack

estudent wrote: »

Health At Every Size (HAES) is quite simply the belief that women are healthy at all sizes. Nutritionists are constantly shaming bigger ladies and telling us that we're unhealthy based off inaccurate studies and a possible agenda.

I like big women, find them incredibly sexy as hell but not so big that it would affect their health.

I've noticed that even unhealthy obese women are physically attractive to some alpha males. I've yet to see examples of women that find obese men physically attractive and I'm wondering why this is.

You could say the ideal man for a lot of women is muscular, tall man with good income or just a good income (to provide security for offspring) but rarely have I heard of women seeking out fat men specifically the way some men would women..

I was watching this video and it was talking about how it's all genetic, that it's natural for women to be bigger and I tend to agree but this video is suggesting that even obesity is normal which I disagree with.

Any thoughts on why women don't seek out 'big men' as a mating partner?

You need to get out more then, because there's plenty of evidence of women who are attracted to 'big men' or who seek out 'big men' as mating partners

You probably won't be moved from your confirmation biased position though :rolleyes:

creolebelle

I have never seen an example of an "alpha" male being attracted to obese women. I think most alpha men don't even want a woman who is even slightly overweight

estudent

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You need to get out more then, because there's plenty of evidence of women who are attracted to men who seek out 'big men' as mating partners

You probably won't be moved from your confirmation biased position though :rolleyes:

Are we talking about big obese men or big muscular men?

estudent

creolebelle wrote: »

I have never seen an example of an "alpha" male being attracted to obese women. I think most alpha men don't even want a woman who is even slightly overweight

You'd be surprised. I've witnessed many a GAA player go home with the biggest ladies at the club when the skinny girls don't get any attention.

See, I think it has to do with personality too. A lot of skinnier girls might be shallow and conceited and the GAA players see them as high maintenance.

One eyed Jack

estudent wrote: »

Are we talking about big obese men or big muscular men?

Well fat men then, overweight men, big wobbly bastards, whatever way you want to put it :pac:

Karl Stein

Gender war bullshit in

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Grayson

I have an aggressive left testicle?

Grayson

estudent wrote: »

You'd be surprised. I've witnessed many a GAA player go home with the biggest ladies at the club when the skinny girls don't get any attention.

See, I think it has to do with personality too. A lot of skinnier girls might be shallow and conceited and the GAA players see them as high maintenance.

Not because they were locked and the larger girl was less fussy? Or the better looking girl had a boyfriend? Or any number of a hundred reasons why a guy might hit on one girl but not another?

braddun

your heart has to do more work if your overweight

Macavity.

If you're unhappy about your weight then do something about it.

Dan_Solo

The millionth fat burds are beautiful too campaign for men to laugh at.
Next.

Paddy Cow

bluewolf wrote: »

What a bizarre and delusional video

It's satire about how a portion of obese people are making excuses for being overweight and putting down slimmer women to make themselves feel better. I think it's brilliant. She's not far off the mark either. If I hear/read once more "real women have curves", I think I'll explode. ALL women are real ffs.

estudent

Macavity. wrote: »

If you're unhappy about your weight then do something about it.

If it's genetic, there's not much can be done though.

It's a bit like telling a skinny person with high metabolism to eat more when it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Paddy Cow

Paddy Cow wrote: »

It's satire about how a portion of obese people are making excuses for being overweight and putting down slimmer women to make themselves feel better. I think it's brilliant. She's not far off the mark either. If I hear/read once more "real women have curves", I think I'll explode. ALL women are real ffs.

Is it a satire?? I turned it off after a few mins.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was actually true

Speak Now

estudent wrote: »

You'd be surprised. I've witnessed many a GAA player go home with the biggest ladies at the club when the skinny girls don't get any attention.

See, I think it has to do with personality too. A lot of skinnier girls might be shallow and conceited and the GAA players see them as high maintenance.

So Alpha male equals local GAA player, did the team captain steal your woman?

Honey Monster

Being fat is not healthy. Simple.

Gran Hermano

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

So Alpha male equals local GAA player, did the team captain steal your woman?

Google translate automatically changes american football jock to bog ball player when you request a translation from 'real curvy women/PUA bull crap to hiberno-english.

One eyed Jack

bluewolf wrote: »

Is it a satire?? I turned it off after a few mins.
It wouldn't surprise me if it was actually true

I only watched it there after Paddy Cow's post, yeah, it's attempted satire alright, it's poking fun at a number of targets really (rather cringe inducing tbh moreso than humorous).

Now that I've watched it, I'm not sure at all how it relates to the OP's conundrum about the attraction of fat men, because that video is completely unrelated!

Macavity.

estudent wrote: »

If it's genetic, there's not much can be done though.

It's a bit like telling a skinny person with high metabolism to eat more when it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Only a tiny portion of people suffer from conditions that prevent them from getting to a healthy weight.

Fair enough, you're right in that some people have faster metabolisms and avoid piling on the pounds, while others can't pig out as much without gaining weight quickly. But that isn't to say they can't be a healthy weight, it just means they have to work a little harder with regards to calorie control. Saying it's genetics is just an excuse in most cases.

looking_around

LMAO.
"this video is made by a self qualified biologist.". Then claims it's reliable as asserted by himself lol

edit: just watched the full video.....so it's a comedy of sorts. #shrugs#
edit: read the thread. satire...that's the word.

One eyed Jack

looking_around wrote: »

LMAO.
"this video is made by a self qualified biologist.". Then claims it's reliable as asserted by himself lol

edit: just watched the full video.....so it's a comedy of sorts. #shrugs#

Narrated by a synthetic voice

Day Lewin

Ho-hum - just enough of a crumb of truth to sustain the elaborate fiction.

Sure, there are some very large people who have no other illnesses. Statistics tell the trend, though - the risk is there. And there are good reasons for that risk.

And sure, there are men who fancy large girls - BBW is a real fetish - for some.

For women, fancying someone is often less to do with how they look than how they act: so a kind, funny, smart, rich, strong and affectionate man might be very attractive even if quite fat. Other things being equal, though, it will worsen his chances against more presentable opposition.

It's still a mad proposal, though; wrong-headed, delusional, even potentially dangerous. There IS a connection between weight and health - just ask any insurance company, the least sentimental trade in the whole world!!

looking_around

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Narrated by a synthetic voice

well, I had volume off,

My name is URL

'Berta Lovejoy' is a well known troll on YouTube.

They comment on videos submitted to Reddit and pretend to be a vocal feminist type person.

http://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/2g99vg/who_is_berta_lovejoy/

Wibbs

estudent wrote: »

If it's genetic, there's not much can be done though.

It's a bit like telling a skinny person with high metabolism to eat more when it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Ahh... me bollex, if you'll pardon my Dublinese. Past the age of 20 you can pretty much guarantee that fat people eat more(and move less), skinny people eat less and move more and average people eat at their level. Never mind that, fat people, hell the most obese people you can think of have a higher metabolic rate than skinny people. For one obvious reason, they have more cells burning away. That's why they have to eat more tho sustain that size. Oh yes. Kinda buggers that "metabolism" theory. Put it another way, if you were in a bed on a warm night, who's gonna bake you out of it more, a skinny person or a fat one. No doubt it'll be many the year before that theory is dropped from both bro science and chick science.

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

So Alpha male equals local GAA player, did the team captain steal your woman?

JS TBH I pissed myself laughing at alpha male. The whole alpha stuff that our Yank cousins seem to go big for in their bro science is... well stuff and nonsense. It's hard enough to pin down in other species. Wolves? Nope and thrice nope. Gorillas? On more solid ground there, however the "beta" males regularly sneak in and ride the arse off the ladies of the alpha's harem. Oops(oh and the "betas" live longer and don't have to go around wasting energy defending territories, or indeed expend energy providing for or raising their kids).

Reasons why differing female body shapes are accepted over time, culture and individuals compared to male? Environmental I'd reckon. In lean times heavier women would be a much better bet. Women have to sustain a pregnancy and weaning so extra fat that got them through the lean times would be a major bonus and many men would select for this. QV the various Paleolithic Venus figures. In times of plenty the thinner body would be more selected. Why? Maybe because having a thin body in such times is showing off to the world that you as a woman have an ample supply of food because you're rich/have a provider that maintains excess food. QV "you can never be too rich, or too thin" Wallis Simpson.

Penn

HAES is an almighty amount of bull****.

If someone is overweight or obese and they're fine with the negative impact on their health and the general restrictions it'll place on their lives, that's fine. That's their choice.

But deluding themselves into thinking it's actually healthy or natural is a load of ****. It's not healthy. Even if someone isn't suffering the effects of it now doesn't mean it's not having a negative effect. And the people who pedal this HAES bull**** are doing nothing more than aiding people's delusions.

One eyed Jack

Penn wrote: »

HAES is an almighty amount of bull****.

If someone is overweight or obese and they're fine with the negative impact on their health and the general restrictions it'll place on their lives, that's fine. That's their choice.

But deluding themselves into thinking it's actually healthy or natural is a load of ****. It's not healthy. Even if someone isn't suffering the effects of it now doesn't mean it's not having a negative effect. And the people who pedal this HAES bull**** are doing nothing more than aiding people's delusions.

Bloody hell, I thought the HAES "movement" (oxymoronic) was a pisstake! Apparently not -


http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_at_Every_Size

JJayoo

Overweight with a decent level of fitness is much healthier than "normal" weight and feck all fitness.

Teyla Emmagan

I am no scientist but I think that video might be a pisstake.

ulinbac

There are too many fat (and terribly skinny) people around now and the number that put it down to health reasons seems ridiculous. Maybe you have health reasons because you ate enough to be a fat and unhealthy!!

It's not difficult to eat relatively healthily or go for a walk. A lot of people these days are lazy. What really bugs me is the crap a load of fat girls talk about "skinny" or toned girls. My girlfriend is well toned, worked with her one summer when we met, and the heavy girls used to talk about her bitching cause she was slim and saying things like she doesn't eat, though she eats 3 meals a day and we pig out on a Saturday.

What is the secret to keeping healthy?

- Don't starve yourself and eating disciplined 5 days a week.
- Eat what you want and have a few drinks, go out for a meal/takeaway on Saturday (or day of choice)
- Join a gym, club, team or just buy a pair of trainers and get out
- A roast on a Sunday
- Stop being a greedy pig and close your mouth
- If you believe those fad diets, you're the bigger fool


In Summary, if you don't want to be fat (for those without health issues) Eat less, cook decent food and move more!!!

pragmatic1

Penn wrote: »

HAES is an almighty amount of bull****.

If someone is overweight or obese and they're fine with the negative impact on their health and the general restrictions it'll place on their lives, that's fine. That's their choice.

But deluding themselves into thinking it's actually healthy or natural is a load of ****. It's not healthy. Even if someone isn't suffering the effects of it now doesn't mean it's not having a negative effect. And the people who pedal this HAES bull**** are doing nothing more than aiding people's delusions.

It's a blatant pisstake. I'd worry for anyone that actually takes that video seriously. Obesity would be the least of their problems.

Nate--IRL--

estudent wrote: »

If it's genetic, there's not much can be done though.

It's a bit like telling a skinny person with high metabolism to eat more when it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Bull****.

Calories in > Calories out = Weight Gain
Calories in < Calories out = Weight Loss

Nothing genetic about it. It's that simple, however the changes are slow.

Nate

Penn

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It's a blatant pisstake. I'd worry for anyone that actually takes that video seriously. Obesity would be the least of their problems.

That video in the OP is a pisstake. However, it's a pisstake of the real HAES mentality.

PizzamanIRL

estudent wrote: »

I've noticed that even unhealthy obese women are physically attractive to some alpha males. I've yet to see examples of women that find obese men physically attractive and I'm wondering why this

I'm sure you've heard the saying 'Every hole is a goal'.

Dan_Solo

estudent wrote: »

If it's genetic, there's not much can be done though.

If people could be genetically fat without eating they would have outbred the rest of us about 1,000,000 years ago.

qt3.14

estudent wrote: »

If it's genetic, there's not much can be done though.

It's a bit like telling a skinny person with high metabolism to eat more when it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Genetics isn't allowed to break the First Law of Thermodynamics. If you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight.

It might take some time, and some ways of doing it are more efficient than others, but when your body needs to produce energy to, you know, live, it'll start breaking down it's own cells if you don't feed it enough. If you have lots of fat cells, well, they're some of the easiest to break down so the body goes for them first.

Venus In Furs

I guess it's denial from people who are so massively overweight that losing any significant weight seems pretty much impossible.

I've put on Christmas "padding" and it sucks. I don't believe people who say they're fine with being obese, unless they have a kinda fetish thing going on.

As of today, I'm watching the diet, limiting the drink, and going exercising. But it's easy for me to do that; some people can't even walk up a few stair-steps - it's those ones who are probably the main advocates of this HAES thing. I don't believe in being cruel to people who are very overweight but you have to be truthful. It's not gonna kill you if you're a size 16 (and it's easy to do something about it - may take a long time, but you're not in the position that you can barely walk a few steps without being out of breath) however if you're super-obese you're in a dangerous place, no two ways about it.

Oregano_State

Being overweight and being healthy are mutually exclusive.

Tarzana2

pragmatic1 wrote: »

It's a blatant pisstake. I'd worry for anyone that actually takes that video seriously. Obesity would be the least of their problems.

Some people are so apoplectic in their dislike for overweight and obese people that they are completely hair trigger on the subject which dulls their receptiveness to nuance. :pac:

wendell borton

That video has to be a pisstake and an unfunny one at that.

bb1234567

Going for fat or obese girls is a fetish more than anything else. A low body fat percentage is a universally attractive trait in men and women.

UCDVet

bb1234567 wrote: »

Going for fat or obese girls is a fetish more than anything else. A low body fat percentage is a universally attractive trait in men and women.

I dunno what you mean by low - but I'm not sure I'd agree.
http://cdn.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/body-fat-percentage-women.jpg

Tin Foil Hat

estudent wrote: »

Health At Every Size (HAES) is quite simply the belief that women are healthy at all sizes. Nutritionists are constantly shaming bigger ladies and telling us that we're unhealthy based off inaccurate studies and a possible agenda.

I like big women, find them incredibly sexy as hell but not so big that it would affect their health.

I've noticed that even unhealthy obese women are physically attractive to some alpha males. I've yet to see examples of women that find obese men physically attractive and I'm wondering why this is.

You could say the ideal man for a lot of women is muscular, tall man with good income or just a good income (to provide security for offspring) but rarely have I heard of women seeking out fat men specifically the way some men would women..

I was watching this video and it was talking about how it's all genetic, that it's natural for women to be bigger and I tend to agree but this video is suggesting that even obesity is normal which I disagree with.

Any thoughts on why women don't seek out 'big men' as a mating partner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL3S0JCD_MY

You've gotta love the way that her "Health at every size" sample screen is a picture of a woman who she describes as 'severely underweigh'. So - Health at every fat size then?
There's a horrible breed of feminism that seems to absolute despise women who watch what they eat and get a bit of exercise, particularly pretty women - "Skinny bitches", as they're referred to in that god-awful song. Nothing I've ever seen or heard has convinced me that it is motivated by anything other than the green-eyed monster.

One eyed Jack

bb1234567 wrote: »

Going for fat or obese girls is a fetish more than anything else. A low body fat percentage is a universally attractive trait in men and women.

What universe are you living in that you think your opinion is in any way universal?

If I'm attracted to a girl, I'm not thinking about her "body fat percentage" nonsense.

bb1234567

UCDVet wrote: »

I dunno what you mean by low - but I'm not sure I'd agree.
http://cdn.builtlean.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/body-fat-percentage-women.jpg

Low as in not having excess amounts of body fat. The healthy body fat percentage recommended by doctors.