Prince Andrew in jep?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481654#Comment_118481654

yeah there will be, they want to subpoena at least one of his Royal Protection Officers from that date of Beatrices birthday party.

The Pizza Express thing could be a red herring anyway, he said in the BBC interview that he was there and then went home with the kids. He could well have been there at an afternoon birthday party but equally there is photographic proof he was with Giuffre later that evening. There is nothing to say that he couldnt have done both in one day. There is also a witness from Tramps nightclub who will place Andrew there and then of course his Royal Protection Officers too. His lies and half truths will catch up with him

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118472942#Comment_118472942

Had not looked at it that way, but seeing it written out, you are 100% correct. I remember seeing the (in)famous photo of himself and Epstein walking up the street when it happened and thinking how is he getting away with this. There were always questions over Epstein, even from that stage.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479072#Comment_118479072

That's really not fair on Beatrice. She's not answerable for her Father's conduct when she was 11 years old and its disappointing that she would be used in this way.

TooTired123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482350#Comment_118482350

She’s not answerable for her fathers behaviour at any age, anymore then you or I.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482449#Comment_118482449

Ehhh I agree, sorry if that does not come across.. she is not her Father's keeper.

Courts can summon people at any age and they have to appear as witnesses even against their own family, but to expect a child to account for their 11th Birthday is extra ridiculous.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482488#Comment_118482488

She’s not a child, she’s 33.

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482665#Comment_118482665

They are expecting her to answer questions about her 11th Birthday party, ffs.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482672#Comment_118482672

So?

cj maxx

Imagine getting fired from mammy from your job, where you have Fcuk all to do but turn up dressed in military garb

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481800#Comment_118481800

I was under the impression that the Pizza Express he said he was at didn't actually exist at the time.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482350#Comment_118482350

She is not being asked to be accountable for Andrews conduct in any way. He made a claim that the Pizza Express party was a type of alibi for not meeting Guifree on the date in question. Given there is alleged sexual assault on the line here that alibi has to be tested. Its Andrews fault for dragging his own daughter into his story to give him cover.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484313#Comment_118484313

He would be given the list of questions he would be asked by the BBC reporter in advance for preparation for the actual interview, you'd think he'd make sure that the outlet existed then

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484442#Comment_118484442

Yep, it’s his fault, but what realistically do they expect someone to remember from their 11th Birthday 22 years later. It’s not going to result in anything that helpful to the case do you think?

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484547#Comment_118484547

But the context of his answer is that he or she would never celebrate her birthday in a fast food outlet normally and this may have been a once off event even to have her father there with her on that day and was a treat for both of them

anewme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484592#Comment_118484592

Maybe.

I still can’t really see what they are going to get. it’s fairly plausible that she will just say, she can’t remember and that’s fair enough.

Will definitely put the wind up him and embarrass him even further, but not sure of value beyond that.

Correct me if I’m wrong but he dues not have ti attend (due to jurisdiction) abd could give a written deposition.

could Beatrice do the sane?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484547#Comment_118484547

If she were to corroborate that he was there at a specific time it could be very helpful for his defence. If she cant recall then it doesnt mean anything one way or the other as she was an 11 year old child. The whole thing is sh1t for her but her dad introduced her as an alibi against his alleged crime so his claim has to be tested in order for justice to be done for both sides.

Im dubious of the Pizza Express story anyway. He could well have been there at 4 or 5pm and then in Tramps nightclub later that night. Woking and London are not that far apart, about an hours drive.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484624#Comment_118484624

It would help as he said he was the only parent at home at the time so presumably stayed all night with his children and maybe their friends may be there...the correlation between the incident date and his childs birthday is to his benefit if that day is actually her birthday.... surprisingly the other 2 sexual allegations in the states especially the orgy with 7/8 girls should be a way easier to prove if the girls can say it was him on that day on the island resort during his visits there

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484766#Comment_118484766

It cannot have been Beatrice’s 11th birthday. She was born on 8/8/88. Eugenie, on the other hand was born in March 1990, so could have been her 11th birthday. If memory serves me right, Beatrice was a guest at someone else’s birthday party on the date in question.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118484896#Comment_118484896

I'm sure there were many London visits before and after where this photo could have been taken and nothing happened on those occasions if at all....that photo could never incriminate him in any wrongdoing...if he accepted he knew her albeit briefly and stood with her for a innocent photo while at Maxwell and Epstein private home as a guest in their London during that BBC interview,it would be perfectly plausible... I'll never understand his blatant denials of accepting the photo is probably for real.

BattleCorp1

Fcuked if I can remember what I did for my 11th birthday. Nor my 12th, 13th, 14th etc.

I'm curious about this point. If Giuffre's legal team want to question Beatrice, Eugenie, Prince Charles etc., what obligation is there for them to make themselves available?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488338#Comment_118488338

absolutely none. it doesn't look good for andrew though if his alibi isn't willing to testify on his behalf.

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488338#Comment_118488338

I would have thought that for security reasons, there'd be some sort of log or record if people were there for a party, or if he went out to a Pizza place in another town.

BattleCorp1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488349#Comment_118488349

I'd imagine his security detail/secretary etc. would have details about such a trip if it happened so they should be the people to ask about it, not someone who was around the age of 11 at the time............some 20 years later?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488375#Comment_118488375

Andrew never struck me as a pizza place kinda guy so a birthday party somewhere normal might have stuck in her memory. Maybe.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488384#Comment_118488384

It wasn’t her birthday. It was a friends.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488421#Comment_118488421

I didnt say it was her birthday party.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488429#Comment_118488429

The family who hosted the birthday party are the ones who should be questioned.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118488338#Comment_118488338

There are international procedures by which the courts in one place - say, New York - can ask the courts in another place - say, England - to assist them in taking evidence from witnesses in the other place. With the co-operation of the English courts, a witness could be subpoenaed to testify before an English judge. Lawyers from both parties in the NY lawsuit would attend to ask questions of the witness in the usual way. The evidence would be transcribed by a shorthand reporter and the transcript used in the NY proceedings.

It's expensive, and it's cumbersome, and it's usually used with co-operative witnesses who are happy to testify but can't or won't travel to NY to do so. But it is at least in theory available for reluctant witnesses also.

Wildly unlikely that Giuffe would wish to take evidence from Eugenie and Beatrice about things that happened when they were 8 and 11 years old. Childhood recollections after a lapse of so many years about specific days or specific events would not be very reliable anyway; how much do you remember about the 11th birthday parties that you attended?

Muahahaha

Its remarkable that the tabloids havent dug up the manager or former staff of this Pizza Express to ask if they recall Prince Andrew being in there, its not something they would forget. The tabloids all use private investigators so it wouldnt be that hard for them (or for Andrews defence team) to product more alibis.

Also his Pizza Express story came from him stating he had looked back on his diaries from 20 years ago. The Met officers from the Royal Protection Unit will also have diaries. And if they were doing their job right they will also have done a security and risk assessment of this Pizza Express becasue thats what professional bodyguards protecting someone against kidnapping do, they assess venues before they show up. So there should be a paper trail of that too if Andrew was there.

In any case Pizza Express is a red herring dropped in there by Andrew himself. Its 100% feasible for him to have been in both Pizza Express and Tramps nightclub on the same evening, Pizza Express wouldnt even be open past 10pm or 11pm and an 11 years olds birthday party isnt exactly a late evening thing anyway. The Pizza Express story was a bottle of smoke designed to throw confusion during his BBC interview but when the prosecution examines the fine details its not going to add up as the alibi he thinks it is.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494452#Comment_118494452

But was his main thrust was that he was at home with the kids all night after the pizza express party as their mother wasn't there... obviously he'd be at home other nights as well but that nights date and Roberts allegations date crossover would be helped by a event to remember ...invented or not to make it believable... Maxwell and Epstein and roberts plane journey times to and from London must be logged during that time to see how long they stayed there at Maxwells house unless they stayed only 1 night

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118494769#Comment_118494769

yeah for sure and thats why Im saying the Pizza Express story is a red herring, it doesnt give him cover for not being in a nightclub later that night. Neither does his story that he went home with his daughters, he could have been straight back out the door after that and left them with their nannies. Windsor and Woking are only up the road from one another and the city centre isnt that far to get to a nightclub on the same evening.

And then Guiffres lawyers have a photo of him with her that night in Maxwells house and they are going to produce a witness who says she saw Andrew and a girl matching Guiffrees description dancing at Tramps nightclub. The story he spun in the BBC interview is what is now going to trip him up, he has no chance of proving his version of events to any level of credibility.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496503#Comment_118496503

The focus and details to date though, in the public domain, have all been about the UK aspect of this case- it will be interesting if there’s the same level of detail and witnesses to the other 2 locations where these alleged events occurred.

I still can’t get my head around he had sex with a teenager in a house no more than maybe 1100 square foot whilst Epstein and Maxwell listened on - it just doesn’t fit for me- if he did that then I’d certainly be asking the question, what else is to come? Coz that’s one fecked up guy- but I’m not convinced yet

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496537#Comment_118496537

It's difficult to imagine alright...

https://postimg.cc/Xr86ygbM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496579#Comment_118496579

I mean, yes he’s known as “Randy Andy” - but that’s in the context of mature adults in their 20s and beyond- there’s been absolutely no other stories supporting that he’s had other encounters with girls of similar age since this news was released some years ago - and you’d imagine there should be-yes his reputation is shot simply based on his relationship with Epstein alone no less his un-empathetic and downright self- serving interview - but still, I’m holding out until I hear the testimonies of the other two locations - if they’re anything like this then he’s truely feiced

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496579#Comment_118496579

and also, don’t stop there- you can post photos of Prince Charles with Jimmy Saville- numerous ones at various locations- it doesn’t prove anything - at the time that photo was taken, Weinstein and Maxwell weren’t accused of anything that was readily available in the public domain - I don’t believe in guilt by association or even trial by media- I have certain concerns also as to how Giuffre has gone about this civil suit - but very happy to agree that Andrew is a total twat at the very least- but he’s not the first royal to be seduced by money power and popularity

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496628#Comment_118496628

Seems he hasn't a leg to stand on, but you are bang on in that sense, there hasn't been other young girls coming forward...

I think it's going to get awful messy...

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496697#Comment_118496697

I'll be honest, I haven't looked into it that much but when I saw the photo I genuinely shuddered after seeing the other photo of him and the American girl involved..

I'm clearly not as up on the case as yourself other than a passing interest in it purely because of the fact he was known as Randy Andy, and he's a royal....

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496714#Comment_118496714

I don’t think anyone is an “expert” on this topic TBH-me included- the fact that it’s America and a civil suit means it’s way below the standards of “justice” that we’d be used to in Ireland, whether civil or criminal. It’s more like a circus- your posts are as valid as mine are- I somehow think the truth may never be uncovered

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496537#Comment_118496537

I think the focus is on the UK aspect becasue thats what they have the most evidence for. Theres also allegations that he was on Epsteins island, we might well have witnesses placing him there but there isnt any photographic evidence of him and Giuffree together there.

Not sure why you cant imagine him having sex with a young girl. Its what many men of his age desire, especially if its put on a plate for them with a pimp like Epstein. Its not like he could bring her back to Windsor and parade her in front of all his house staff and kids nannies. If he brought her to a hotel then every chance the concierge is ringing the tabloids to make some easy money. Maxwells house was in Belgravia near Hyde park, its arguably Londons wealthiest area to live and theres parts of it that are blocked off by private security who keep papparazzi and anyone else who is uninvited out. So bringing a teenager there was as good an option as he had. I mean he didnt get caught by the tabloids so the plan worked at the time, barring the photo he posed for with Giuiffree.

Riesen_Meal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118496917#Comment_118496917

The yanks will lap it up alright and it will be a media circus if he ends up going over...

One rule for the royals obviously and different rules for everybody else...

There just seems to be a murky underbelly to all the affluent *celebrity* world that some of these people mingle around in and group's they are socialising with...

I'm not saying it's a seedy pedo sex cult, but it could well be with friends such as Epstein & co in the photo I reposted.... 🤷‍♂️

madeiracake

I don't know it's all very messed up. You have the witness from the Maxwell case saying Giuiffree was bragging about shagging Andrew (doesn't sound like rape) and while gross and inappropriate she was of legal age in England. Andrew is a complete tosser but I'm not convinced he is a rapist.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497019#Comment_118497019

I’m not ruling it out- the royals have a history of debauchery let’s face it- and his interview showed him up as a self centered narcissist -and also, we’ve seen Americas 80s “Dad”, aka Cosby, exposed as a major and serial sex offender - it’s just that the sordidness of what is alleged happened in the UK hasn’t been repeated as an allegation by any other person- it’s just annoying me that’s all- something doesn’t sit right for me in this case. Can’t explain it really any further than that

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497106#Comment_118497106

So called Statutory Rape might come into play

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497080#Comment_118497080

I'm not saying it's a seedy pedo sex cult, but it could well be with friends such as Epstein & co in the photo I reposted.... 🤷‍♂️

All the evidence points towards it being exactly that- a pedo sex circle where the rich and famous could pay to have sex with young girls in New York, Florida, the Caribbean and where ever Epstein would take girls on his private jet. Both Trump and Clinton are on his private jet logs as passengers. Trump was fully aware of how young these girls were-

Back in 2002, when Jeffrey Epstein was known only as a mysterious financial whiz with a private island and a roster of A-list friends, being friendly with him was something to boast about. And Donald Trump did.

“I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York Magazine that year for a story headlined “Jeffrey Epstein: International Moneyman of Mystery.” “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Now, Epstein is in jail, charged with sex trafficking by federal prosecutors who allege he abused dozens of female minors in New York and Palm Beach, Fla. He is no longer a friend anyone would want to claim.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-called-epstein-a-terrific-guy-before-denying-relationship-with-him/2019/07/08/a01e0f00-a1be-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html

Given Maxwell has now been convicted of trafficking young girls for sex I think it is obvious that her and Epstein were running a a pedo sex ring that offered privacy and discretion to the wealthy and famous.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497242#Comment_118497242

Not in UK Shirley? And also, incredibly difficult to prove Andy knowingly had sex with a trafficked individual who was of age in the UK. That’s why I think there’s a lot of pre-trial publicity “circus” going on with the prosecution side of the house- why not stick to the legal courts and wait to have your day in court? I’m not a fan of this American bullsh1t trial by popular opinion in advance of a trial

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497347#Comment_118497347

It’s as valid a theory and point of view as any other- it’s a sordid headline that will sell newspapers - but whether it’s true or not?

Foggy Jew

i bet HRH & the Buck House spinners are praying that the Boris ‘I thought it was a work-do’ story will run & run, deflecting from Andrew ‘I don’t sweat’ Windsor. I believe all these media stories are being stage managed to the ultimate. The whole lot sickens my ar*se.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497398#Comment_118497398

Preparation H maybe? :D

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118497347#Comment_118497347

It was obvious that prince Andrew,Clinton etc knew exactly what was going on at all the residences but I wonder were they paying cash for and to the girls for services on a pay per service method as Epstein did and that the girls were available and wanted to make themselves Available as part of the scene and wanted to be there to enjoy the luxuries and cash to be made and part of the attraction of Epstein and Maxwell's continued friendship benefits ...many of these girls kept coming back into this environment more than likely on a voluntary basis because it was a lucrative number for them and no doubting everyone seemed to have a good time.....I loosing any sympathy for these girls who are now calling themselves victims but at the time were making themselves available for long periods for easy money they wanted.

Riesen_Meal

https://youtu.be/zw_1lF9qv_Q

Weirdly this came up on my YouTube feed, good old Google algorithms 😬