Prince Andrew in jep?

Lillyfae

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256019#Comment_118256019

It will show the Royal Family up for the pathetic bunch of overgrown infants they are though. A four day birthday party when one of their members is avoiding proceedings in another country for his connections to pedophilia and human trafficking.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256019#Comment_118256019

Be pretty excruciating for them alright.

Can't see it doing this though

Probably what's in the public domain is the very tip of the iceberg so could easily bring down the monarchy.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256176#Comment_118256176

Yeah it would definitely do that if the stars align and the two events are happening simultaneously. Id say a few British celebs will be squeamish about performing at the big concert as well if we are literally hearing evidence of Andrews sweaty dancing with a minor in Tramps nightclub around that time. Not Elton John though, he'll be front and centre serenading Ma'am regardless of what happens.

Virginia will have her day in court regardless and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. At this moment in time Id bet Andrew would pay her any sum of money once she signs a non disclosure agreement as part of the settlement. If he could make it all go away for $20m or $30m Id say he would do it and it would have to be the Queen to fund it becasue he doesnt have that kind of money. They can file it in the accounts as 'PR expenses' to help keep the whole show on the road.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256019#Comment_118256019

I'm sure that is all correct but that isn't what was replied to.

riclad

I presume jep means trouble or jeopardy. He's not a US citizen he has no need to go to us court hearing he has been relieved of his royal dutys his TV interview a few years ago was a disaster he looks like an overpriveleged spoiled idiot who was stupid and has no sympathy for ordinary people

It's hard to think he spent so much time in epsteins company without knowing there was something strange going on epstein was rich he had alot of friends in high society he visited the white House 19 times to see Clinton in the last few years with me too movement we have seen many revelations about how rich famous people would take advantage of young women who worked for them

Unless some one can prove he did something illegal he, ll probably get away with it apart from his reputation never being the same as it was before the court case started

Atlantic Dawn

Are you treated differently in the eyes of the law based on who your mother is?

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260911#Comment_118260911

For his whole life Andrew has been treated differently in the eyes of the law based on who his mother is.

dogbert27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118260895#Comment_118260895

"Unless some one can prove he did something illegal he, ll probably get away with it apart from his reputation never being the same as it was before the court case started"

Which is really the crux of this. I believe if they had sex in the UK at the time then she was of legal age and no law was broken unless she is claiming that he deliberately raped her which would mean she should be taking a legal case through the UK courts.

If they had sex in New York then I believe she would have been a minor and it is why the civil case was filed there.

But from what I have read everything was supposed to have happened on UK soil so apart from the sordid details of a creepy older man there wasn't a law broken.

The Maxwell case has started. Is Virginia Roberts not a part of that?

And why if there is no law actually broken is she just focused on Andrew?

She was in Epstein and Maxwell's company for years with a former boyfriend saying she would actively recruit girls for them.

It's all just a bit fxxked up!

Peregrinus

The age of consent of 16 in the UK is only relevant to "simple" sexual relationships - boyfriend/girlfriend, or something more casual. For sexual offences involving trafficking, prostitution, procurement, exploitation, etc, anyone under 18 is considered to be a "child". So if the Duke had met 17-year-old Giuffre by chance while having a quiet pizza in Woking one evening, as he so often did, and they had begun a consensual relationship which became sexual, I think there would be no (legal) problem. But if she was brought into the UK in order to have sex with the Duke, or to perform other sex acts for or upon him, or if Epstein/Maxwell arranged a sexual encounter with Giuffre for the Duke, or hoped to derive business or other benefits from the relationship themselves, you're looking at trafficking/procurement/etc, and the fact that Giuffre was over 16 at the time would not provide much in the way of a defence.

Hangdogroad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/93655950#Comment_93655950

This aged well.

Peregrinus

To be fair, "the most normal of the Royals" is a pretty low bar.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118261016#Comment_118261016

I think her case is deeper than just where they had sex. She was trafficked as a minor from the US to the UK in violation of American law, the offense began on a private jet that departed American soil so therefore Andrew is liable for it. Laws can (and do) stretch across borders, only this afternoon the RTE paedo Kieran Creavan got convicted of sexually abusing children in the Philipinnes.

Epstein and Ghsilaine Maxwell are liable also. With Maxwell Id imagine that Virginia Giuffre is waiting for the FBI to convict her first and then she will launch a civil suit in New York against her too. Virginia Giuffre can sit back and let the FBI do the work for her as its a criminal trial which has a higher burdern of proof than a civil one. Once Maxwell is convicted that then makes a civil trial against her a lot easier as all the heavy lifting will be already done by the FBI and the prosecutors.

dogbert27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118263850#Comment_118263850

But she's also accused Senator Robert Mitchell, Rick Hilton, some married couple called the Dubin's all, like Andrew who deny it but she's only following through on going after Andrew when on US soil she should have more of a case against the above accused.

She also said initially that Maxwell approached her when she was 15 but later, when it came to giving testimony admitted she was 17.

Her dad said he regretted leaving her at Epstein's house in an interview but never really condemned Epstein or Maxwell, instead doubling down on Andrew.

With all that allegedly happened to her while with Epstein and Maxwell with many rich and powerful people as she claims, including giving Simpsons creator Matt Groening a foot massage, I just find it strange she is only targeting Andrew who is in a different country and makes this thing harder then going after the people she has accused above.

Ish66

Someone once said ''Let's see them deny it''. Having watched his interview and his body language, in my opinion, Guilty as Fcuk and he wont be going anywhere near USA in the future because he would be lifted like a light and he knows it, Wanker.

In Actuality

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/93655785#Comment_93655785

What happened him?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118264444#Comment_118264444

Its all depends on what her lawyers think they can prove, there is no point in them taking cases if they have no evidence to work with.

With Andrew they have photographic evidence so he cant deny he never met her all those years ago. Epsteins private jet pilot also testified in the Maxwell trial that he saw Virginia in the private jet as well. So the lawyers have witness testimony that she was trafficked to London and photographic evidence that she met Andrew and evidence of affection with his arm around her. Id imagine thats a lot more than they have in the other cases otherwise they would be taking them, lawyers arent going to refuse a big payday if its on the cards.

riclad

Andy always had a reputation as a lady's man and he was friends with Epstein even after he was convicted of sexual offences with under 18 girls this is very strange behavior for a royal son of a queen who was in the public eye

his interview in the bbc was a disaster which showed him to be an arrogant idiot

Some rich famous people do strange things as they consider themselves above the law that might apply to common people.

Or they are surrounded by hangers on yes men, they assume they can have anything they want and that includes having casual sex with women

It's hard to think that Andrew spent so much time with Epstein and did not notice all the young girls who were visiting the mansion alot of them were obviously under the age of 18. I read an interview with a celeb from the 90s and he said if you were a rich famous man you assumed you could have sex with any woman you happened to meet if you wanted to

Muahahaha

Well he is definitely in jeopardy now, his attempts to stop the trial proceeding have failed "in all respects" according to Judge Kaplan.

This is going to be an absolute circus in the Queens Platinum Jubilee year

Prince Andrew is to face a civil case in the US over allegations he sexually assaulted a woman when she was 17.

Virginia Giuffre is suing the prince, claiming he abused her in 2001. His lawyers said the case should be thrown out, citing a 2009 deal she signed with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.

But a New York judge ruled that the case could be heard. The prince has consistently denied the claims. Buckingham Palace said it would not comment on an ongoing legal matter. The motion to dismiss the lawsuit was outlined in a 46-page decision by Judge Lewis A Kaplan of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. It means the case against the Duke of York, 61, could be heard later this year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59871514

Sky News reporting as well that its justice Giuffre is after and its not likely to settle before the case begins

EDit

Genuine Q… say she wins and, it being a civil case, is awarded monetary damages, whats to stop Andy ignoring it as its in a different country? I guess i’m asking whether it’s possible to sue someone outside of your country and it be enforced?

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118463686#Comment_118463686

they can bring enforcement proceedings in england for payment of the debt.

Leg End Reject

I wonder what the palace will do if/when Randy Andy has to pay a large settlement?

It's not something you can just ignore, he might have to stay away from the jubilee celebrations as well.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118463713#Comment_118463713

I guess they'll take it out of his pocket money until he's paid it back.

Personally, I think he’s in deep do-do

He borrowed my phone once (yes, he really did) and I was disappointed that when he handed it back some time later, it didn’t have Koo Stark’s number on speed dial

You have to be a certain age - which I am.....

Dempo1

I reckon Mummy will be writing a cheque very, very shortly after today's decision by the Judge , he'll then dissappear into obscurity (Hopefully), odious spoiled brat .

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464025#Comment_118464025

jeez I haven't heard that name in a long time.

AyeGer

It’s a horrible thing to be hanging over the Queen at her age too. But justice must be done regardless of Andrews position.

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118463699#Comment_118463699

To which I wish England would tell them to **** off until they send their diplomat over for prosecution that killed the pedestrian while drink driving

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464271#Comment_118464271

which they won't as the 2 cases have nothing to do with each other

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464271#Comment_118464271

Just for clarity it was a young lad on a motorbike, and she was on the wrong side of the road. Good point though

AckwelFoley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464304#Comment_118464304

Irrelevant when it comes to diplomatic relations. You do this, we do that. But of course they won't. Particularly when one is civil and the other criminal

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464025#Comment_118464025

She was my first crush, and still has the best name ever.

As for the case, at 17 she wouldn't have been considered a minor in either NY or the UK, and a witness came forward recently to say that Giuffre had told her at the time that she had had sex with Andrew, consensually.

So possibly he could claim, upon further recollection, that indeed it did happen but that he broke no law.

Shelga

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464389#Comment_118464389

If he knew she’d been trafficked, it’s still illegal, regardless of age, though, no?

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464389#Comment_118464389

Yeah that would be a pretty woeful defense if he tries that in front of a New York jury. This case is about a lot more than just ages of consent, it is about sex trafficking too. Besides, he has already said he never met Giuffre, despite the photograph. It would be some 180 if he now admitted to having sex with her but then claim it was consensual.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464389#Comment_118464389

Roberts is from Florida where the age of consent is 18....the trafficking of her around the world wouldn't change that fact

dogbert27

I still don't get the single focus on Prince Andrew apart from the obvious headline grabbing.

I mean she's called out Senator Robert Mitchell in the US which should be a bigger story over there but there's no attention to it nor is she following it through.

I just find it strange that with the cases against Epstein and Maxwell for trafficking girls out to rich people that it's only Andrew out of everyone that is being singled out.

cj maxx

Who's Jep?

Randy Andy is on a roll

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465533#Comment_118465533

The current court case is against Andrew specifically, and it's the court case that generates media attention and a lot of reportable disclosures. She also has a separate court case (for defamation) running against Alan Dershowitz, but that's not currently at hearing. SFAIK she hasn't brought proceedings against George (not Robert) Mitchell.

(And, strictly speaking, I think her claim in relation to Mitchell is not that she had sex with him, but that Epstein instructed her to have sex with him; I don't know if she has said publicly whether the sex ever actually happened.)

Neyite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118464097#Comment_118464097

If the Burrell trial is anything to go by, it could possibly happen. The ideal outcome would be a last minute pay off, a flurry of NDA's and maybe even a retraction of some sort. If the victim takes it but for now she seems adamant that it's not about the money.

The Royal family have vast amounts of personal wealth, and have vast amounts of assets held as private wealth. Plus you'd have any number of millionaires happy to pick up Andrew's bill as well. Having the Royal family indebted to you would be rather useful to have, especially if the tab didn't make much of a dent in your bank account.

He's probably thick enough and arrogant enough to assume Mummy can just order MI6 to sort out his little mess and make it all go away.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118466190#Comment_118466190

I suspect there's no longer any wealthy friends left that will bail out this Horrid, Ghastly individual, Mumsie will write the cheque and he'll be banished into suitable obscurity. I'd also say the rumours of Princes , William and Charles distain for Andrew are true , even in a normal family situation, this clown would be an embarrassment.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118466190#Comment_118466190

the queen doesn't have long left and Charlie won't be repaying favours to anybody who helps out andy.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118465562#Comment_118465562

About Mitchell - yes, that’s how I’m reading the accounts online also- but it was mean of her to publicly name him if nothing actually happened as his name is being mentioned a fair bit in online articles along with others. She also made a “mistake” in fingering a CEO of a hotel group when in fact it was someone different - TBH I actually don’t like her methods - and if the testimony is true from one of the Maxwell trial victims who said she essentially bragged about sleeping with Prince Andrew, then I like her even less.

Neyite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118466266#Comment_118466266

You'd be surprised. For starters, all the other men in Einstein's black book would happily dig deep to help PA if they thought that it would help them get off the hook and him the sole fall guy. Then there's plenty of billionaires in countries where women are basically chattel, and white women are especially worthless and for whom a few million quid is sofa change for them. In exchange for getting in with some very elite and influential people. Al Fayed snr has been trying it for decades.

I agree though that the Queen will pay. If it was Charles or William deciding, I could see them being very unwilling to do it but there's still many who would happily pay Andrew's bills. They just won't do it publicly.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118468427#Comment_118468427

but any influence will disappear as soon as the Queen dies. Charles won't feel any obligation to return favours for somebody who helps out Andrew.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118468427#Comment_118468427

I agree though that the Queen will pay. If it was Charles or William deciding, I could see them being very unwilling to do it but there's still many who would happily pay Andrew's bills. They just won't do it publicly.

Its been reported that the Queen is already paying his legal bills which will be running into several million at this point. Andrew also produced £6.6 million out of a rabbit hat just a couple of weeks ago to complete the purchase of his ski chalet in Switzerland- he bought it a few years back for circa £18m but the agreed deal allowed him to delay the final £5m payment until 2019. He didnt pay up that £5m until the owner brought him to court in Switzerland, by which time interest had turned the £5m into £6.6m. The owner of the chalet finally got her money out of him and she declared that "the war is over"

The Duke of York has settled a £6.6m debt with a French socialite allowing him to sell a Swiss chalet as he faces escalating legal bills over the sexual assault civil lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre, according to reports.

Isabelle de Rouvre, 74, who sold the property to Prince Andrew and Sarah, Duchess of York, in 2014 for a reported £18m, said: “The war is over. He has paid the money.”

Andrew and his ex-wife had agreed with Rouvre that Chalet Helora in the ski resort of Verbier in the Swiss Alps, would be paid for in instalments. But Rouvre claimed the two failed to make the final £5m instalment.

Initially Rouvre agreed the final instalment could be deferred until December 2019, with interest accruing, but the Yorks still did not honour the agreement despite repeated demands, it was reported.

Rouvre launched legal action in May 2020 in Switzerland to recoup the £5m plus interest owed to her. Andrew is said to have finally paid late last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jan/11/prince-andrew-sell-swiss-chalet

I think it is obvious that this £6.6m could only have come from the Queen as Andrew does not have that kind of money on tap. No one is asking questions right now but after the Queen dies the media will then seek to know if the UK taxpayer footed any portion of that bill. Between that and Andrews millions in legal fees a a freshly throned King Charles is going to be badgered with awkward questions about his brother.

What is interesting as well is the final £6.6m installment was paid so that Andrew can now sell the ski chalet. It was supposed to be left to his two daughters as their inheritance but now that plan is out the window. He is selling it not by his own choice but under duress which likely means there was an argument between him and the Queen who told him to sell it before she has to pay out any more money to him. It also means that Virginia Giuffrees NY legal team now knows that Prince Andrew is selling an asset that is worth £18m. Now that the trial is going ahead this is a game of high stakes poker and Prince Andrew has already revealed his hand.

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118468427#Comment_118468427

Why white women? (genuine question)

Mummy’s cut the apron strings. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10399083/Veterans-demand-Queen-strips-Andrew-military-honours.html

”Prince Andrew was today stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen, who said he will have to face his sexual assault lawsuit as a 'private citizen'. 

Buckingham Palace said in a statement this afternoon: 'With The Queen's approval and agreement, The Duke of York’s military affiliations and Royal patronages have been returned to The Queen. The Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending this case as a private citizen.'  

The Palace said previously that the duke's military appointments were in abeyance after he stepped down from public duties in 2019. But, prior to today, he still retained the roles, leaving eight British regiments in limbo more than two years on. Prince Andrew was today stripped of his military titles and royal patronages by the Queen, who said he will have to face his sexual assault lawsuit as a 'private citizen'. 

The Duke of York will no longer be allowed to use the styling 'HRH' in any capacity, signalling the royal family's attempt to distance itself from the ninth in line to the throne as he faces a humiliating trial in the US.  

The move to shred his ties with the military is likely to be particularly painful for Andrew, a military veteran who served as a helicopter pilot for the Royal Navy during the Falklands War. “

bertiebomber

why just andrew? why not all of them the bill gates, trump clinton including Hilary the english polititions the bankers why is he taking the fall?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118469278#Comment_118469278

They are probably covered in the $500,000 agreement she signed with Epstein.

TheValeyard

He has lost his titles...

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fcuk him.

Be right back

About time. Odious man.