ACCUMULATORS

YoungKhalifa

I only do accumulators as I feel it's the only way to possibly beat the bookie in the long run. That said it has been proving difficult to get 4 or 5 winners up in the same bet. Has anyone here ever won big on an accumulator?

Peintre Celebre

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

I only do accumulators as I feel it's the only way to possibly beat the bookie in the long run. That said it has been proving difficult to get 4 or 5 winners up in the same bet. Has anyone here ever won big on an accumulator?

Accumulators are the worst possible bet to win long term

nuckeythompson

madness, in saying that I do the odd lucky fifteen and at most make a slight profit. I only ever profit betting singles. The type of bet bookies are afraid are big weighty singles. a small multiple bet is fine on the side.
great time of year to keep / start betting diary. keep a record of the type of bet and you will see how much they cost you. paddy power and boylesports both have pocket diary which are great for it

kalinisi

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

I only do accumulators as I feel it's the only way to possibly beat the bookie in the long run. That said it has been proving difficult to get 4 or 5 winners up in the same bet. Has anyone here ever won big on an accumulator?

When I was younger I thought the same, also wasn't unusual for me to fancy 5 or 6 horses on a day and go for lucky 31s etc...
However once I refined my betting I stopped doing this, backed less and mainly singles, if I do however fancy a couple of horses I can't help but do a very small stakes lucky 15etc just incase! But to nowhere near what my singles bet would be.

matthew8

Nothing wrong with accumulators if they're good individual bets.

Francie Barrett

Accumulators are mug bets, but sometimes it's nice to throw a few together that you fancy for the chance to win big. Basically, think of it as a lottery ticket.

HarshOstrich

Friend of mine on Facebook
Has put up pictures of accumulators which came in from during last year, I would say about 10 accumulators came up with winning from between 800 to 1800. And a lot of the bets he only staked a fiver

I never win on accumulators, I did win with a 50 euro double earlier in the year when tiggy wiggy and brown panther won , returned near 800

Letyourselfgo

Yep should be avoided but sometimes when i go through the card and see a few shorties I'll throw them together as I don't really like backing them as singles. Also if I think a stable has a few nice ones out I'll put them together.
Ive actually gone for an Alistair Rawlinson treble tomorrow, here's hoping.

mr.jingle

Accumulater bets are for football and not for racing! Most I'd ever do nowadays would be a treble and even that's a stretch.

YoungKhalifa

Surprised no one else seems to think like this. I've come so close so many times. I went a whole week being let down by just one every day. Anyway gonna have a bash at it again tomorrow.

12.30 Fort Smith 1/8
12.50 Devilment 100/30
13.50 Carracci Apache 13/8
15.05 High Expectations 4/1
15.35 Kalopsia 9/4
15.55 Hold The Bucks 6/1



Each way... just in case

Moon Dice

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Surprised no one else seems to think like this. I've come so close so many times. I went a whole week being let down by just one every day. Anyway gonna have a bash at it again tomorrow.

12.30 Fort Smith 1/8
12.50 Devilment 100/30
13.50 Carracci Apache 13/8
15.05 High Expectations 4/1
15.35 Kalopsia 9/4
15.55 Hold The Bucks 6/1



Each way... just in case

Each way?? One of the horses is a 1/8 shot. The bookies must love you

mr.jingle

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Surprised no one else seems to think like this. I've come so close so many times. I went a whole week being let down by just one every day. Anyway gonna have a bash at it again tomorrow.

12.30 Fort Smith 1/8
12.50 Devilment 100/30
13.50 Carracci Apache 13/8
15.05 High Expectations 4/1
15.35 Kalopsia 9/4
15.55 Hold The Bucks 6/1



Each way... just in case

Why put a 1/8 shot in there at all! Just do a placepot or something

MyStubbleItches

mr.jingle wrote: »

Why put a 1/8 shot in there at all! Just do a placepot or something

Fully agree. While I'm a bookies dream myself, I would never even consider a 1/8 shot in a single, much less a multiple. Far too many factors against any horse getting around a track in one piece even if running on it's own, nevermind against others.

BorneTobyWilde

Noble Friend 9-1 3.55
McCarty Mor 5-1 1.10
Find Rightly 11-4 1.00
Tell us More 8-11 1.30
Balkinstown 6-1 3.05

Boo yaw! 50 win LOL

MyStubbleItches

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Noble Friend 9-1 3.55
McCarty Mor 5-1 1.10
Find Rightly 11-4 1.00
Tell us More 8-11 1.30
Balkinstown 6-1 3.05

Boo yaw! 50 win LOL

Balls. Have to back that. Just in case...

Arctic89

mr.jingle wrote: »

Accumulater bets are for football and not for racing! Most I'd ever do nowadays would be a treble and even that's a stretch.

Thought you gave it up?

MonkstownHoop

Ott but anyone know when 365 have all the racing prices up? Found myself up at this hour yet still nothing

mr.jingle

Arctic89 wrote: »

Thought you gave it up?

I still do some bets but not anywhere near the stages I was. It's become a bit of fun now rather than a necessity to gamble I've won money and lost money but one thing I've learned to do in these past 2yrs is not to chase my money. Seeing some of them post's actually remind me at my worst putting 1/8 shots in bets. I remember crazily have a load on Zaynar one year when he was 1/10 or something ridiculous trying to win an extra €20/€30 and he was beat. Ridiculous throwing horses at those prices in A bet

coopdog85

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

I only do accumulators as I feel it's the only way to possibly beat the bookie in the long run. That said it has been proving difficult to get 4 or 5 winners up in the same bet. Has anyone here ever won big on an accumulator?

You feel it's the only way to beat the bookie? I'd be very, very surprised if you have ever got an Accum up with horses in it.

Anyone doing an accum needs their head examined. Not only are they near impossible to land, you're also getting robbed - return wise. Say you've five 1/1 shots in a docket, taking into account the bookies margins then you're getting absolutely scammed. The bookies have big margins built in to every race & even with singles it's bad enough. But the reality is if you have all those 1/1 shots in your accum & it did ever click - the reality is you should be getting back probably double than what you are really getting.

Peintre Celebre

mr.jingle wrote: »

I still do some bets but not anywhere near the stages I was. It's become a bit of fun now rather than a necessity to gamble I've won money and lost money but one thing I've learned to do in these past 2yrs is not to chase my money. Seeing some of them post's actually remind me at my worst putting 1/8 shots in bets. I remember crazily have a load on Zaynar one year when he was 1/10 or something ridiculous trying to win an extra €20/€30 and he was beat. Ridiculous throwing horses at those prices in A bet

Yeah there's a fella I work with and I'd be quite concerned about his gambling but its not my place to say it to him. He laughs at me when I tell him I fancy a 20/1 shot. Every time he says the same thing 'yeah but will it win'. Has no appreciation for value or can't understand that you can fancy a big priced horse. Every time I say it 'If you came to me and said Frank there's a 1/3 shot tonight that will not be beaten I'd put 3k on it'. No such thing as a certainty no matter how its price may suggest it. Anyone remember Rachel Alexander getting beat at 1/20? Montjeu done at 1/10, Zafonic beaten by Kingmambo at the same price. Zaynar beaten by a nag at 1/14

oPATCHo

I think many people fall into thinking that odd's represents the changes of the horse actually winning! i.e. it's 1/3 and so it's a banker. Some people must look at me weirdly when I nap a 10/1 or bigger.

I'd love to see a breakdown of the market in terms of bets placed on favourites by 'Type of Punter'. I assume the majority of the market favourites are backed by those who havent even looked at the racecard, they are looking for a quick buck and only backing it because it's short price and HAS TO WIN, therefore driving the price even shorter. I'm thinking of the punter who throws 20 quid on A P McCoy in a Class 5 because they recognise the jockey. It's people like this who (i think) drive the market. It doesnt really indicate or justify the chances of the horse, it just means a lot of people (and some of them could be well misinformed or just guessing) have backed the horse. It's similar to the Grand National when you have average joe backing a horse because he/she likes their name - Shakalakaboomboom springs to mind, I wonder what price that horse would have went off at in last years national if it was called something else

In terms of accumulators, I do like to have an accumulator but know that when the bookies are offering 70/1, then there is a reason why they are offering 70/1. It's hard enough trying to pick out one winner, never mind 3, 4, 5 etc. I keep my stakes down to a minimal when placing accumulators, and my expectations are also kept to a minimal.

BumperD

QED. Fort Smith beaten at 1/7.

Nulty

mr.jingle wrote: »

I still do some bets but not anywhere near the stages I was. It's become a bit of fun now rather than a necessity to gamble I've won money and lost money but one thing I've learned to do in these past 2yrs is not to chase my money. Seeing some of them post's actually remind me at my worst putting 1/8 shots in bets. I remember crazily have a load on Zaynar one year when he was 1/10 or something ridiculous trying to win an extra €20/€30 and he was beat. Ridiculous throwing horses at those prices in A bet

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Yeah there's a fella I work with and I'd be quite concerned about his gambling but its not my place to say it to him. He laughs at me when I tell him I fancy a 20/1 shot. Every time he says the same thing 'yeah but will it win'. Has no appreciation for value or can't understand that you can fancy a big priced horse. Every time I say it 'If you came to me and said Frank there's a 1/3 shot tonight that will not be beaten I'd put 3k on it'. No such thing as a certainty no matter how its price may suggest it. Anyone remember Rachel Alexander getting beat at 1/20? Montjeu done at 1/10, Zafonic beaten by Kingmambo at the same price. Zaynar beaten by a nag at 1/14

Zaynar lol

I remember that day, heavy ground around somewhere like Stratford or something. That horse was a weird one.

Actually I remember it was a giant of a horse 'Que e 2' that beat him wasn't it? Brilliant name for a giant horse

YoungKhalifa

Well lads, you wouldn't believe! Switched out Devilment for Pain Au Chocolat at the last minute and left Fort Smith out.

FINAL BET

Pain Au Chocolat 8/11 WON
Caracci Apache 5/2 WON
High Expectations 6/1 WON
Kalopsia 5/2 WITHDRAWN
Hold The Bucks 9/2 WON

Thanks to all who said it's stupid to put in an 1/8 shot. Going up now to finally hold the bucks!! Yes, just beat the bookie and they ain't getting it back!

kalinisi

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Well lads, you wouldn't believe! Switched out Devilment for Pain Au Chocolat at the last minute and left Fort Smith out.

FINAL BET

Pain Au Chocolat 8/11 WON
Caracci Apache 5/2 WON
High Expectations 6/1 WON
Kalopsia 5/2 WITHDRAWN
Hold The Bucks 9/2 WON

Thanks to all who said it's stupid to put in an 1/8 shot. Going up now to finally hold the bucks!! Yes, just beat the bookie and they ain't getting it back!

Congrats! Always love to hear someone catching the bookies!!! Hope it pays a few christmas bills!

Gregk961

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Well lads, you wouldn't believe! Switched out Devilment for Pain Au Chocolat at the last minute and left Fort Smith out.
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To be honest I wouldnt believe it!

BumperD

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Well lads, you wouldn't believe! Switched out Devilment for Pain Au Chocolat at the last minute and left Fort Smith out.

FINAL BET

Pain Au Chocolat 8/11 WON
Caracci Apache 5/2 WON
High Expectations 6/1 WON
Kalopsia 5/2 WITHDRAWN
Hold The Bucks 9/2 WON

Thanks to all who said it's stupid to put in an 1/8 shot. Going up now to finally hold the bucks!! Yes, just beat the bookie and they ain't getting it back!

Unbelievable foresight. You replaced the two losing selections and kept all the winning ones.

Soft Falling Rain

I know a bloke who does a lot of accs, doubles and trebles, always consisting of short priced favs (and yes he'll throw in 1/3 shot, I think his record is about 1/8). He'll put €100, even €200 on them.....I can't help but laugh inside though when they go tits up as he's always waffling as if he knows it all about horses.

I usually don't take satisfaction in anyone losing but he's the type who won't mention losing (only winning) and if he does lose a bet you have pre-existing knowledge of he'll be onto you like a shot either saying he didn't do it in the end or had a "saver" on some other yoke.

I'm sure yis know the type.

2moreMinutes

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Well lads, you wouldn't believe! Switched out Devilment for Pain Au Chocolat at the last minute and left Fort Smith out.

FINAL BET

Pain Au Chocolat 8/11 WON
Caracci Apache 5/2 WON
High Expectations 6/1 WON
Kalopsia 5/2 WITHDRAWN
Hold The Bucks 9/2 WON

Thanks to all who said it's stupid to put in an 1/8 shot. Going up now to finally hold the bucks!! Yes, just beat the bookie and they ain't getting it back!

The first bolded is very accurate but ignoring that, the second bolded is not so accurate.

Backstreet Moyes

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Well lads, you wouldn't believe! Switched out Devilment for Pain Au Chocolat at the last minute and left Fort Smith out.

FINAL BET

Pain Au Chocolat 8/11 WON
Caracci Apache 5/2 WON
High Expectations 6/1 WON
Kalopsia 5/2 WITHDRAWN
Hold The Bucks 9/2 WON

Thanks to all who said it's stupid to put in an 1/8 shot. Going up now to finally hold the bucks!! Yes, just beat the bookie and they ain't getting it back!

Pure after timing either put up a picture of the docket or admit your talking sh!te.

Peintre Celebre

Woah what are the chances!? Outstanding foresight, kudos to you!

Shemale

Moon Dice wrote: »

Each way?? One of the horses is a 1/8 shot. The bookies must love you

I fail to see how that matters, if they all place or better its still 10/1 on his total stake (20/1 on the place).

Gregk961

I love when things come to a swift resolution. Man posts about unsuccesful bets, is told he is wasting his time by everybody, man wins life changing money. All wrapped up in 24 hours

BorneTobyWilde

So he won. That is 232-1 right?
I believe him/.

Would mixing an accumulator of 4 be a good thing.

1Z 2U 3Z 4Z 5H
1R 2S 3R 4T 5R
1P 2P 3D 4P 5O
1B 2C 3Y 4B 5B

Something like that .

BorneTobyWilde

Gregk961 wrote: »

I love when things come to a swift resolution. Man posts about unsuccesful bets, is told he is wasting his time by everybody, man wins life changing money. All wrapped up in 24 hours

Only in America

nuckeythompson

show us the docket. otherwise refer to the aftertiming sticky

keysersoze0330

nuckeythompson wrote: »

show us the docket. otherwise refer to the aftertiming sticky

Or in this case...Neither

sting60

If you back more than one horse in doubles/trebles the bookies love you.make an opinion on a horse and back it.that opinion might only be twice a month but that is what it takes.

Shemale

I occasionally do accumulators and only do them if I am fairly confident in my selections.

No harm in them, have lost way more bets than I have won but well up overall as my stake reflects my confidence in the selection.

The worst bets have to be Luckys Yankees etc.

Cantonesque

It does come up the odd time. The cash out with Betfair also helps with overall returns as can cash out one of your bets if you have a couple of legs up in a couple of accumulator bets and guarantee some form of return.

Although being honest the majority of the time there is a banker that lets u down. One rule of mine is to avoid putting any all weather runners in accumulators.

Was a neck away from another pay day today... But a neck is a neck so may as well have come last!

http://omg.wthax.org/7FJF92.jpg

Shemale

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So he won. That is 232-1 right?
I believe him/.

Would mixing an accumulator of 4 be a good thing.

1Z 2U 3Z 4Z 5H
1R 2S 3R 4T 5R
1P 2P 3D 4P 5O
1B 2C 3Y 4B 5B

Something like that .

Yeah, I do that a bit, pick out 3/4 I really like and 2/3 that I think have a good chance.

Got a new computer, used to have an excel sheet to work the combo.

I have a book somewhere in the attic with a whole load of different sytems, I will try dig out out if you are interested.

YoungKhalifa

Nuts102 wrote: »

Pure after timing either put up a picture of the docket or admit your talking sh!te.

Already cashed the docket. Had 15 each way on it. I don't really see a reason for me to lie. I picked out the horses yesterday and then after reading the comments about how you shouldn't put long odds on shots in, and looking into Pain Au Chocolat's form i just made a few adjustments. It was incredibly lucky the way it worked out because if Kalopsia had run I don't think he'd have beaten Sir Will, and Hold The Bucks looked beaten 3 out. Anyway gonna do a small bet tomorrow just for the interest.

12.55 New World 7/2
13.00 Jalingo 8/13
13.20 Dragon Tree 5/1
15.30 One More Go 4/5
15.40 Draco's Code 5/2

Each way of course just... in case

sting60

The few posts from the guys who know what they are posting is so good rather the gutter posts by idiots.

nuckeythompson

what was the return?

BorneTobyWilde

What I mean is to pick 4 races 4 horse and play accumulator. Then to replace one horse with horse from same race and play another accumulator, it could be the 2nd favourite ,just in case the first failed.
Then play another accumulator changing another horse with another from same race again.
4 or 5 accumulators based on the 4 races.Different combos
The odds are so big 300 plus that putting 15 on each is a small outlay considering.
One might find some success with this in fields where top four generally win, chase racing.

BorneTobyWilde

nuckeythompson wrote: »

what was the return?

Over 4k if his pants aren't on fire .

YoungKhalifa

Returned €3,840.70. Would have been over 4k if I didn't take 9/2 about Hold The Bucks which won at 6/1.

BorneTobyWilde

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Returned €3,840.70. Would have been over 4k if I didn't take 9/2 about Hold The Bucks which won at 6/1.

When I WIN, and I rarely back my picks I always take a pic of docket to post.
I think you will find people are happy to see people win big.
Shame you don't have pic.
Congrats though.

the groutch

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Returned €3,840.70. Would have been over 4k if I didn't take 9/2 about Hold The Bucks which won at 6/1.

according to Betcalculator.com, a €15 e/w accumulator at 8/11, 5/2, 9/2 & 6/1 pays between €3608 & €3639 depending on exact e/w terms.

Backstreet Moyes

YoungKhalifa wrote: »

Already cashed the docket. Had 15 each way on it. I don't really see a reason for me to lie. I picked out the horses yesterday and then after reading the comments about how you shouldn't put long odds on shots in, and looking into Pain Au Chocolat's form i just made a few adjustments. It was incredibly lucky the way it worked out because if Kalopsia had run I don't think he'd have beaten Sir Will, and Hold The Bucks looked beaten 3 out. Anyway gonna do a small bet tomorrow just for the interest.

12.55 New World 7/2
13.00 Jalingo 8/13
13.20 Dragon Tree 5/1
15.30 One More Go 4/5
15.40 Draco's Code 5/2

Each way of course just... in case

Is this online or in a bookies shop. Be very surprised if they handed over nearly 4k on the spot. I have had trouble trying to get out 1k a few times nevermind 4k in one go. Maybe it is common enough but not from my experience.

YoungKhalifa

In a shop. The girl behind the desk made me wait 15 mins until her co-worker came back from her break, not sure why. But other than that no problems. €3,200 in 50s, the rest in 20s.