3rd Antichrist?

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

The other seer is very specific. Late winter of 2018 (probably Jan 2019) for the quake. Geologists have expressed raised concerns about this area, along with others.

So it's either January or February of 2018 or 2019.
Or possibly this month?
That's not very specific at all.

Why can he not provide a more solid time frame? Or an actual date?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Fair amount of big grey ships getting bumped, no sinking as of yet as already I said, just a couple damaged (so far) which is correct.

Yes, but the prediction was for a sinking.
Saying that ships getting damaged somehow counts or somehow indicates that he's accurate is stretching.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

As stated they were published Sept of 2017, and relate to anytime since then, but emphasis is on '18, thus some of the list mentioned have already materalised e.g. so the engagement is correct.

Might have been helpful for him to provide a date for this to happen to indicate he's accurate.
Or maybe he could have given the name of a woman...

But he didn't. He guessed that a man around average marrying age would marry some one in the next 18 months or so.
Not very impressive.

But if it's the case that he's already covering stuff since September, then how come he's not predicting stuff like the Argentinian Sub sinking recently?
Or the shooting in Vegas?
Or the whole thing in Catalonia?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

This chap also predicted both trump and brexit previously.

So did a lot of people. This is not impressive either.
What else has he predicted? Any unforeseeable events with some level of accuracy.

And of course, how is he predicting this stuff? Magic?

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King Mob wrote: »

So it's either January or February of 2018 or 2019. Or possibly this month? That's not very specific at all. Why can he not provide a more solid time frame? Or an actual date?

Nope, again it was for late 2018 (and late winter) that isn't now. It's been a couple of thousand years since it last erupted (except for a slight, non-super eruption in 44), so to ask for the exact day is being a bit precious.

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, but the prediction was for a sinking. Saying that ships getting damaged somehow counts or somehow indicates that he's accurate is stretching.

And 2018 isn't over yet, it hasn't started. from memory a couple of US's big grey ships nearly sank, that doesn't happen every year, well hopefully not.

King Mob wrote: »

Might have been helpful for him to provide a date for this to happen to indicate he's accurate. Or maybe he could have given the name of a woman... But he didn't. He guessed that a man around average marrying age would marry some one in the next 18 months or so.

Yes, and maybe specify her favourite tv show and nail varnish colour or her favourite flavour of ice-cream.

King Mob wrote: »

But if it's the case that he's already covering stuff since September, then how come he's not predicting stuff like the Argentinian Sub sinking recently?
Or the shooting in Vegas? Or the whole thing in Catalonia?

There was mention in Sept 2016 (for '17) of a large 'fire' in LasVegas, not the same but not too far off. Yes no mention of Spain, but then again it hasn't separated not will it anytime soon without an official referendum like the Scots. No mention of the 'sub' (which is an underwater ship) sinking.

King Mob wrote: »

So did a lot of people. This is not impressive either.

86% of polls/people predicted the opposite even up to the day for Trump. I already envisaged both, and backed Trump (impressively) at 10 (ten fold ROI), and earlier Brexit at 4.33. Around Sept 2016 (when forecast) think Trump was still a 'laughable wildcard' at 26 (25/1). note: The June 2016 Brexit was predicted back in 11th Sept 2015.

King Mob wrote: »

What else has he predicted? Any unforeseeable events with some level of accuracy. And of course, how is he predicting this stuff? Magic?

The list above is worth watching, a long term one is for Italy to suffer severe financial difficulties and leave the EU (along later with Denmark). Another one that may be likely is the HoP to suffer a major fire. The cost of repairs in enormous and difficult, thus perhaps some sort of insurance claim would pay for it all.

Who know, and it's never 100% accurate, but better than most, including the notorious Nostradamus himself.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Nope, again it was for late 2018 (and late winter) that isn't now. It's been a couple of thousand years since it last erupted (except for a slight, non-super eruption in 44), so to ask for the exact day is being a bit precious.

Why would it be too much to ask for an exact day or location?
Do they not know the exact day or location?
If not, how do they know that it will happen at all?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

And 2018 isn't over yet, it hasn't started. from memory a couple of US's big grey ships nearly sank, that doesn't happen every year, well hopefully not.

Yes, that would make a nice plausible sounding prediction that is easy to stretch to (as you are doing).
However the prediction is about a boat sinking. Anything other than an american warship sinking is a failed prediction.
A location or time would have also be useful, but they don't give that either I assume?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Yes, and maybe specify her favourite tv show and nail varnish colour or her favourite flavour of ice-cream.

That's not really like for like.
Why would they be able to predict that he would be engaged, but aren't able to say when or to who?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

There was mention in Sept 2016 (for '17) of a large 'fire' in LasVegas, not the same but not too far off.

No. It's very very far off.
A mass shooting is not a fire.

This is how these predictions work. Folks like your self try to stretch things to cover for their failures and mistakes.
If they had predictive power, they would not say fire. They would say shooting.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Yes no mention of Spain, but then again it hasn't separated not will it anytime soon without an official referendum like the Scots.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

No mention of the 'sub' (which is an underwater ship) sinking.

Why no mention of these events? Or any others I can point to, yet Prince Harry's engagement is apparently vital information we need to know?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

86% of polls/people predicted the opposite.

So he was one of the 12%.
And...?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

The list above is worth watching

But why is it worth watching when it's obviously nonsense?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Who know, and it's never 100% accurate, but better than most, including the notorious Nostradamus himself.

It's about as accurate as making any number of wild, but likely guesses.

Again, what are they using to make these predictions? Why does it work in a way that makes it look exactly like they are making random guesses?

branie2

Nostradamus' predictions are vague and open to any type of interpretation

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branie2 wrote: »

Nostradamus' predictions are vague and open to any type of interpretation

Agree, the quatrains are numerous and written in such a cumbersome style to avoid being classed as actual predictions (to avoid being burnt at the stake).

However some references to AC2 (he called 'Histler') are interesting. Still easy to dismiss by some who want the exact day, time, spelling and co-ordinates of events.

Much prefer some of the more modern writers (some accurate, but most are not).

Suggest there is also an element of common sense too e.g. Folks such as myself saw nothing else but Trump and Brexit occurring (against the odds, and interestingly against all the left-wing paid-for media).

Applied (unpopular) Logic would suggest Italy will leave the EU before too long. The HoP may do an insurance job. Also that the only elegant solution to NK is the quiet (internal) removal of big Kim, before too long.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

However some references to AC2 (he called 'Histler') are interesting. Still easy to dismiss by some who want the exact day, time, spelling and co-ordinates of events.

Much prefer some of the more modern writers (some accurate, but most are not).

These seers are easy to dismiss because they are so vague.
By being so vague it looks exactly like they making wild guesses.
They are then helped by how folks like you bend over backwards to make predictions fit (like when you claim a fire is the same as a shooting).
Couple this with the fact you are cherry picking the "successful" predictions while ignoring the predictions that out right failed as well as the events that they did not predict.

If these people actually had any predictive powers at all, then they wouldn't be vague. They would be accurate and direct. The would be able to predict things that would be impossible to just randomly guess, like says people's names or more exact dates.
I'm not sure why you think it's so crazy to ask for these things.

And then it leaves the question you are ignoring: how are they making these predictions?
Magic? Psychic powers? Whispers from aliens?

BuilderPlumber

How easy is it to predict the future? Nostradamus could easily predict some things vaguely and maybe things more specific via a sequencing of events over time. Some near future things are easily enough predicted. Here's a stab at some:

2018 will see Brexit negotiations with the UK and EU getting what they want out of it. A major embarrassment to current American government will occur. Democrats will win a landslide in November midterm. The Republicans will dump hardliners and regroup behind moderates. North Korea will continue to threaten but there will be no real war. Someone like Rex Tillerson could end up president of America. Trumo will reinvent himself this time as a moderate. He will sell out hardliners to save himself.
2019 will see a much more moderate American policy and the Republicans will choose a moderate candidate for the 2020 election (maybe Tillerson).
2020 will see the election of a moderate US president.
During the next few years, the Middle East will modernise in many ways. A new cold war between Iran and Saudi Arabia will lead to an arms and oil race.
World superpowers will remain USA, Russia and China for the foreseeable future.
The next decades will include periods of booms and recessions. Wars will erupt in places currently peaceful and current warzones will become safe.

Tylerdurex

My vote goes to Teresa May . The concept of Brexit is so bad there must be another hidden agenda behind it all

Den14

Emme wrote: »

Leaders of powerful countries often act under the direction of powerful people in the background - the hidden hand so to speak. I can think of a powerful person who has a name with 5 letters and one is the letter "S". Not a world leader but somebody who has a lot of influence globally.

The Antichrist would not go around with horns and a blazing tail. He or she would probably be very charistmatic, appeal to youth and support good causes which would ultimately suit his or her agenda.

Nostradamus's predictions have been twisted to suit different agendas over the years so I would pay little heed to them. Everyone is capable of good and evil.

George SOROS?

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Tylerdurex wrote: »

My vote goes to Teresa May . The concept of Brexit is so bad there must be another hidden agenda behind it all

Doubt TM 'as the AC' very much. It's a bit of a surprise to everyone she's still PM (as mentioned on the list of 14 above). The whole subject of Brexit is a complicated one, with a near even split either way. The new order don't want it, the old order does (the exit).

Both Trump and Brexit are probably the biggest political shock events in to occur within the last few decades. Moves towards Italiaxit may well begin during the summer of '18, as some suggested.

The next 'AC' (if there is such a thing) will be someone obsessed with control, control and then some more control. Everyone will be tagged/microchipped/rfid within 10yrs so that will certainly factor into it.

Voodoo_rasher

Why must the ANtichrist be an all powerful commanding figure on the world stage , when it could be an ordinary Joe Soap??

I shall make the claim of being the Antichrist. My special numbers are 911 and 666. I no longer have a Soul because medication of Abilify took it away.
Also, I do not have special powers . To predict the future or be in 2 places at once.

Voodoo_rasher

In order to purchase things with Bitcoin in the future, everybody will need to be microchipped/rfid'ed. The only way to rid yourself of the chip is to cut your hand off.

BuilderPlumber

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Doubt TM 'as the AC' very much. It's a bit of a surprise to everyone she's still PM (as mentioned on the list of 14 above). The whole subject of Brexit is a complicated one, with a near even split either way. The new order don't want it, the old order does (the exit).

Both Trump and Brexit are probably the biggest political shock events in to occur within the last few decades. Moves towards Italiaxit may well begin during the summer of '18, as some suggested.

The next 'AC' (if there is such a thing) will be someone obsessed with control, control and then some more control. Everyone will be tagged/microchipped/rfid within 10yrs so that will certainly factor into it.

Sounds like Skyfall and SPECTRE!

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Plenty of Nostradamus stuff here relating to 'events to come', but could well just refer to the Ottoman Empire and the early Crusades.
The only reference to the 3AC related to something freezing off Canada.

http://www.michelnostradamus.org/quatrainsfuture.html

Cheerful Spring

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Plenty of Nostradamus stuff here relating to 'events to come', but could well just refer to the Ottoman Empire and the early Crusades.
The only reference to the 3AC related to something freezing off Canada.

http://www.michelnostradamus.org/quatrainsfuture.html

Nostradamus prediction is nonsense, nobody knows what the quatrains are about. Guy lived hundreds of years ago so we can't ask him can you explain this, please.

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Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Nostradamus prediction is nonsense, nobody knows what the quatrains are about. Guy lived hundreds of years ago so we can't ask him can you explain this, please.

The quatrains where written in a form of code for a reason, but it's not encryption, just a type of phraseology open to interpretation.

It's certainly not to taken as literal, but they do all seem to contain a type of theme about the downfall of Europe.

Plenty of other lads also wrote semi-fiction bestsellers hundreds or thousands of years ago, in different sociological times to today e.g. The Book of Revelations, and are often taken very literally.

Cheerful Spring

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

The quatrains where written in a form of code for a reason, but it's not encryption, just a type of phraseology open to interpretation.

It's certainly not to taken as literal, but they do all seem to contain a type of theme about the downfall of Europe.

Plenty of other lads also wrote semi-fiction bestsellers hundreds or thousands of years ago, in different sociological times to today e.g. The Book of Revelations, and are often taken very literally.

Yes, but nobody has deciphered them, and there no way to know if Nostradamus was seeing the future our he was just a madman writing down stuff for the audience in his time or was a quick buck scheme? My main problem is every year Nostramadus quatrain is predicting a world disaster. The guessing is the most annoying part, for me.

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Cheerful Spring wrote: »

Yes, but nobody has deciphered them

Yes many did (to an extent after translation). Did you even read the link above, no? This is the very 1st one, that sounds like operation IRQ Freedom of 1991:


(Centurie 3 Quatrain 61) 3,61: The armies of Christendom gather on borders of the lrak. Syria observes with an interested eye.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

and there no way to know if Nostradamus was seeing the future our he was just a madman writing down stuff for the audience in his time or was a quick buck scheme?

Same for all seers, religions or mystics. He had to write them as poetry to avoid detection, so not the best marketing tactic. There was no great adwords monitisation or mass publishing back in those days anyway.

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

My main problem is every year Nostramadus quatrain is predicting a world disaster. The guessing is the most annoying part, for me.

They were never predicted 'by/for each year' so yet another false presumption from yourself. Not always a disaster neither e.g. Blockchain and move away from the fiat dollar:

4,30 : The world eleven economic recessions foreseen by the magus. An economist of genius eventually finds a definitive solution to this cyclic problem. Events at the same time of the past and of the future.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Same for all seers, religions or mystics. He had to write them as poetry to avoid detection, so not the best marketing tactic. There was no great adwords monitisation or mass publishing back in those days anyway.

So he had to make his predictions not look like predictions.
He also couldn't make them specific or accurate in terms of dates or events.
And they can only be interpreted in hindsight and can be done so for many different, unconnected events for the same passage...

Sounds an awful lot like it's nonsense...

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King Mob wrote: »

So he had to make his predictions not look like predictions.
He also couldn't make them specific or accurate in terms of dates or events.
And they can only be interpreted in hindsight and can be done so for many different, unconnected events for the same passage...

Sounds an awful lot like it's nonsense...

Yes, much like the revelations in the little book that used to be found in most hotels throughout the world, and all other sky-god equivalents.

Some are very specific indeed, but to ask for the exact date and time is a bit like asking the time-traveler chap over on the other forum. for tonight's 2018-03-09 20:00hrs Euromillions numbers (which btw, may well contain numbers 4, 16 and/or 40-43).

NIMAN

Anyone who has ever read about Nostradamus knows that you can twist his writings to fit any scenario you want.

There is no one way to decipher them either, different people have different methods and as such get different meanings.

His writings are tied to events after they happen, not before. So it's not a predictor, but just something people twist afterwards.

It's all bunkum if you ask me.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Some are very specific indeed,

For example?
Please point to a prediction he made that
1) can be clearly shown to be one of his.
2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

but to ask for the exact date and time is a bit like asking the time-traveler chap over on the other forum. for tonight's 2018-03-09 20:00hrs Euromillions numbers (which btw, may well contain numbers 4, 16 and/or 40-43).

Why not?
Why would a date or specific details be so hard?
Is he not predicting the future?

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King Mob wrote: »

For example?
Please point to a prediction he made that
1) can be clearly shown to be one of his.
2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.

Why not?
Why would a date or specific details be so hard?
Is he not predicting the future?

Plenty of them have specifics, if you ever care to browse the translation and many, many interpretations.

Don't believe them all as scientific truth of course, simply 'interesting', is all.

And all your arguments can be exactly applied similarly for all and every books or written documentation from the various worldly skygods and such like.

So you may as well discount all and every known religions, prophets, visions and seers in one go.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Plenty of them have specifics, if you ever care to browse the translation and many, many interpretations.

Cool. Please point to them using the criteria I posted above.

Which is his most convincing or accurate or "interesting" prediction in your opinion?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

And all your arguments can be exactly applied similarly for all and every books or written documentation from the various worldly skygods and such like.

So you may as well discount all and every known religions, prophets, visions and seers in one go.

I do.
None of these people have ever shown any kind of predictive power.
Nostrodamus is no different.

So again, why is he not able to give specifics?

What about his claims are any more "interesting" than any of the thousands of other clearly nonsense claims of future sight?

BuilderPlumber

The funny thing about the third anti-Christ is he has changed so often. At the moment, Vladimir Putin is often the most popular candidate but he is one of many Russian leaders who have been considered. Trump was considered too but he too is one of many American presidents to be listed (IIRC, each one of the preceding 4 US presidents were also proposed as the third anti-Christ). It is inevitable that the leader of a powerful country will get listed. As well, the latest bogeyman will be listed. Saddam in particular was and there was an attempt to make out Nostradamus predicted the anti-Christ as Saddam spelled backwards as Mabbas which is like Mabus.

But if one believes in Nostradamus as fact (I don't personally and see it as the medieval answer to Mad Max or Blade Runner as a prediction of a bleak future), US politician Ray Mabus or Saudi king in waiting Mohammed bin Salman known as MBS would be the more obvious choices.

branie2

The Man Who saw Tomorrow was spoofed in yesterday's new episode of the Simpsons on Sky One

Cheerful Spring

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Yes many did (to an extent after translation). Did you even read the link above, no? This is the very 1st one, that sounds like operation IRQ Freedom of 1991:


(Centurie 3 Quatrain 61) 3,61: The armies of Christendom gather on borders of the lrak. Syria observes with an interested eye.

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I have reviewed and read most of Nostradamus quatrains and none of them are describing future events in a clear way people would understand.

Even the Quatrain you reveal here is not accurate.

Century 3 Quatrain 61 in Nostradamus French is this.
La grande bande & secte crucigere,
Se dressera en Mesopotamie:
Du proche fleuue compagnie legere,
Que telle loy tiendra pour ennemie.

English translation. There is no way you can say Nostradamus is talking about Iraq Invasion 1991
The great band and sect of crusaders
Will be arrayed in Mesopotamia:
Light company of the nearby river,
That such law will hold for an enemy.

Ipso

Only if you assume Iraqi history started the day before.

BuilderPlumber

The problem with a lot of the Nostradamus stuff is it can be reimagined for any current or recent events. The Middle East was often in the thoughts of Europeans back then and we can now interpret Nostradamus' writings in light of today's events. You will see Mohammed bin Salman, future king of Saudi Arabia and known as MBS, referred to more and more as Mabus. He ticks all the boxes. He is from the Middle East, is initially seen as a force for good but also has a hostile side. Just like Saddam in other words who too was seen as a force for good prior to 1990 and who always showed a hostile side. Most of these leaders are and were a mix of good and bad with a lot of similarities. That Nostradamus' Mabus would share traits with modern Middle Eastern leaders comes as no surprise. Most fictional bad guys who lead countries, territories or organisations would be very similar. Mohammed bin Salman is a product of his times. On one hand, he sees himself as the next leader of a country with a very bad PR image and wants to reform it by getting rid of nonsense like dress codes. On the other hand, he wants to be number one regional superpower in the Middle East and this is also part of his modernisation drive. We have seen leaders like this before in the Middle East who also were predicted to be Mabus.

BuilderPlumber

Mohammed bin Salman is perhaps really the closest to Nostradamus' third anti-Christ. He is in a unique position where he is caught between a desire to modernise and for his family to cling onto power. He is initially being seen as a force for good. Women's rights improved, drinkers rights to improve, Saudi Arabia to distance itself from intolerant interpretations of Islam and terrorist groups will be some of his legacy. His OTHER desire is what could set trouble in motion and pit him against 2 superpowers. His other desire is to defeat Iran possibly by war. What does that mean?

Iran = Russian ally. Trump = Russian ally. Saudi Arabia = Trump ally. Iran = Trump ally (denies it officially). Saudi Arabia attacks Iran = potentially seen as declaration of war on Russia and America. The mask of pretend and fake enemies slip and Saudi Arabia sees itself at war not with Iran but with Putin and Putin's American stooges. MBS/Mabus then has to turn to the ONLY source he knows to defeat conventional enemies: Islamic terrorists. From there, anything can develop.

Personally, I do not think MBS will be allowed go to war with Iran. Too risky. Instead, it is more likely this cold oil war will see both MBS and Iran fight proxies in poorer states.

King Mob

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Mohammed bin Salman is perhaps really the closest to Nostradamus' third anti-Christ. He is in a unique position where he is caught between a desire to modernise and for his family to cling onto power. He is initially being seen as a force for good. Women's rights improved, drinkers rights to improve, Saudi Arabia to distance itself from intolerant interpretations of Islam and terrorist groups will be some of his legacy. His OTHER desire is what could set trouble in motion and pit him against 2 superpowers. His other desire is to defeat Iran possibly by war. What does that mean?

Iran = Russian ally. Trump = Russian ally. Saudi Arabia = Trump ally. Iran = Trump ally (denies it officially). Saudi Arabia attacks Iran = potentially seen as declaration of war on Russia and America. The mask of pretend and fake enemies slip and Saudi Arabia sees itself at war not with Iran but with Putin and Putin's American stooges. MBS/Mabus then has to turn to the ONLY source he knows to defeat conventional enemies: Islamic terrorists. From there, anything can develop.

Personally, I do not think MBS will be allowed go to war with Iran. Too risky. Instead, it is more likely this cold oil war will see both MBS and Iran fight proxies in poorer states.

I'm confused, do you think that Nostrodamus could actually magically see the future?
If so, how?
If not, what relevance does Nostrodamus have?

BuilderPlumber

King Mob wrote: »

I'm confused, do you think that Nostrodamus could actually magically see the future?
If so, how?
If not, what relevance does Nostrodamus have?

I personally do not think Nostradamus could magically see the future. It is like interpreting the reasons for the worlds in Mad Max, The Handmaid's Tale or Blade Runner through today's events. Nostradamus is futuristic fiction but others take his word as gospel.

Predicting anti-Christs is easy. They have and will come. Someone wanting to dominate the world has always been a constant and modern examples like ISIS as well as superpowers like the West and Russia are all part of that. Saudi Arabia and Iran meanwhile are locked into a cold oil war but I do not think either one would risk direct war as there would be no winners. By Middle Eastern standards, both countries are stable and do not want to risk that.

King Mob

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I personally do not think Nostradamus could magically see the future. It is like interpreting the reasons for the worlds in Mad Max, The Handmaid's Tale or Blade Runner through today's events. Nostradamus is futuristic fiction but others take his word as gospel.

So what relevance does he have and why would it matter that some guy has a vaguely similar name to the one supposedly predicted by Nostrodamus?

If your theories have nothing to do with Nostradamus, what relevance does this have in conspiracy theories?

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By entirely dismissing all elements of Nostradamus, you may as well dismiss 'all prophets' including the world's two largest religions and thus the voiding the title of this thread or indeed any reference to the 'AC'. Nostradamus rise to fame from an age of conservatism and without facebook or any form of mass media is curious.

Whilst certainly not 'gospel' there may be 'small elements of usefulness' in such seers.
There are plenty others out there over the centuries, another more recent one is 'Baga Vanga'.

Horror, horror! The American brothers will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be gushing.
— Predicted in 1989 by Baba Vanga

Baba also worryingly predicted Ruska could take over or destroy the world if it so chooses.
Just today, the Pent' admitted it's defenselessness in the face of their new hypersonic throwing sticks from, which have the ability to change course very quickly at extreme speeds.

Another more modern current one with about 80% margin of correctness predicted both Brexit and Trump. Also said Italy, then Denmark would leave the euro next.
Today, the market price on exchanges for Italy to leave next, is half of what it was last year, even shorter than Greece.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

By entirely dismissing all elements of Nostradamus, you may as well dismiss 'all prophets' including the world's two largest religions and thus the voiding the title of this thread or indeed any reference to the 'AC'. Nostradamus rise to fame from an age of conservatism and without facebook or any form of mass media is curious.

Again, I do dismiss all seers as none of them have ever been able to demonstrate any predictive power in an objective way.
Nostradamus is no different as you have not supplied an example of one of his predictions that stands up to any scrutiny.

Also, and this is an important point, seers cannot exist because there's no such thing as magic.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Whilst certainly not 'gospel' there may be 'small elements of usefulness' in such seers.

How? Especially given that their powers only seem to be true after the events they predict and all of their misfires are ignored.
And again, no magic, so there's no way their predictions could be accurate.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

There are plenty others out there over the centuries, another more recent one is 'Baga Vanga'.

Horror, horror! The American brothers will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be gushing.
— Predicted in 1989 by Baba Vanga

Another seer who's touted all over the internet, but another one I wager you've never bothered to examine or question.

For example, how do you know that they actually said that supposed quote?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Another more modern current one with about 80% margin of correctness predicted both Brexit and Trump. Also said Italy, then Denmark would leave the euro next.

Which one and when?
Why do they only have 80% correctness? Can they only see 80% of the future?

When will Italy and Denmark leave the euro? And why can the people who can magically see the future not be specific about it?

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Well King Mob, you're clearly a skeptic on all things that are not exactly forthright and presented to you in black and white, laid out on a plate.

Tell me one thing, do you dismiss entirely also the idea also of 'any life existing beyond this planet'?

Ipso

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Well King Mob, you're clearly a skeptic on all things that are not exactly forthright and presented to you in black and white, laid out on a plate.

Tell me one thing, do you dismiss entirely also the idea also of 'any life existing beyond this planet'?

What an unusual question. Let me guess, people who don't believe in Roswell, Mj12, the stuff the fella from Blink 182 sells or anal probing green men aren't open minded.

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Ipso wrote: »

What an unusual question. Let me guess, people who don't believe in Roswell, Mj12, the stuff the fella from Blink 182 sells or anal probing green men aren't open minded.

Let the King Mob answer, without this gibberish. He clearly doubts all that isn't proven so.
Naturally he should immediately deny any possibility of existence of life outside of Earth.

beefburrito

I read all the holy books and I seriously think they're so ingrained into our psyche going down through the age's...

It's easy to see how the book of revelations can be manipulated to identify with current war's and political intrigue.

Most of the war's are concentrated in one area...

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Well King Mob, you're clearly a skeptic on all things that are not exactly forthright and presented to you in black and white, laid out on a plate.

I'm not asking for anything to be presented "black and white, laid out on a plate."

I'm asking why you think that there's something to the notion of people being able to magically see the future.

My running theory is that you have just read it on the internet and you have never bothered to look at it with any scrutiny or scepticism.
You dodging and dismissing my questions isn't doing much to dissuade me from that theory.

We can try again however:
Please point to a prediction that Nostradamus or any seer has made that
1) can be clearly shown to be one of theirs.
2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.

If you can't point to a single example of this that meets these really basic criteria, then please explain why you believe anyone can magically see the future?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Tell me one thing, do you dismiss entirely also the idea also of 'any life existing beyond this planet'?

No.
What a silly irrelevant question...

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King Mob wrote: »

No.
What a silly irrelevant question...

A very, very, very relevant question. You see you're a pure total outright 100% skeptic in all and anything, that isn't absolutely certified beyond all belief and presented to you in a suitable form for your narrow logic to process.

Hence there is very little point in any further discussion.

Denying the possibility for example that there may be other lifeforms of any type in the universe established this fact. Not even a maybe, perhaps or 'who knows', just a plain absolute 'no'.

Astronomers estimate there are 100 billion habitable Earth-like planets, just in the Milky Way, '50 sextillion' in the (known) universe. The late Hawkings and all eminent scientists worth their salt therefore very likely disagree with you.

The founders of the SETI program, all planetary exploration programs and indeed all the trillions invested in dark projects/budgets is burnt cash in your view. Multiverse, quantum or any type of space-time distortion is all wasted chalk on a blackboard in your view.

As regards the 'seers' (including all the religious prophets), I simply stated that they were 'useful and interesting', but you strangely seem to take great offense to this.

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

A very, very, very relevant question. You see you're a pure total outright 100% skeptic in all and anything, that isn't absolutely certified beyond all belief and presented to you in a suitable form for your narrow logic to process.

You seem to have misunderstood my response.
No, I don't dismiss entirely the idea of any life existing beyond this planet.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

As regards the 'seers' (including all the religious prophets), I simply stated that they were 'useful and interesting', but you strangely seem to take great offense to this.

No, I'm asking you why you think they are useful and interesting.
You seem unable to answer this question or show that you've applied even the most basic level of skepticism to the claims of these seers.

My question is very very simple:
Please point to a prediction that Nostradamus or any seer has made that
1) can be clearly shown to be one of theirs.
2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened.

If you are unable to provide this, please explain so.

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King Mob wrote: »

You seem to have misunderstood my response.
No, I don't dismiss entirely the idea of any life existing beyond this planet.

Fair enough, so you are open to the idea of the existence of alien life, (although that can't be proved). Well that's equally as interesting.

Going by the very same levels of probability there is likely far more intelligent life than us. What most humans over millennia may consider 'god-like' entities out there. But you of course deny all religious, and god-like concepts.

King Mob wrote: »

I'm asking you why you think they are useful and interesting.
You seem unable to answer this question or show that you've applied even the most basic level of skepticism to the claims of these seers.

My question is very very simple:
Please point to a prediction that Nostradamus or any seer has made that
1) can be clearly shown to be one of theirs.
2) has clear and specific details about a single future event and cannot be stretched or reinterpreted for any other event.
3) was claimed to be a prediction before the event actually happened...

Some specific 'predictions' are indeed useful and interesting to me. Whilst some should be dismissed. Some sources are consistently better than others. One chap that posts them (every September for the following year) has aided in securing me profit from the following events:

Con Maj government in the UK x1,300% ROI, Trump x1,000% ROI, Brexit: 450% ROI, Itaexit (pending ROI) 760%.

If e.g. you were considering buying a holiday home or indeed a manufacturing/export base in either Italy or Denmark, this would not be recommended.

Barely 1/4 into 2018 and generally seems again to be on track, some are open to slight interpretation e.g. LV which of course you will nit-pick at, but overall it's a generally a decent effort, especially for major events.

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King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Going by the very same levels of probability there is likely far more intelligent life than us. What most humans over millennia may consider 'god-like' entities out there. But you of course deny all religious, and god-like concepts.

Not really following you again. You seem to be accusing me of something, but I can't quite make sense of it.
Yes, I don't believe any religions.
No I don't believe any aliens are gods, nor do I believe that Gao'ould are coming for it.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Some specific 'predictions' are indeed useful and interesting to me. Whilst some should be dismissed. Some sources are consistently better than others. One chap that posts them (every September for the following year) has aided in securing me profit from the following events:

If these are the best examples you have, then I've a bridge you'd be really interested in buying.

But that aside, how does this anonymous person on the internet get their information? Via magic? Via Aliens?
Why are they so non specific? Why do they not mention other major unexpected events?

Why do their predictions look exactly like they are guessing randomly?
Why does it label things as correct which are not correct?
Why is stuff blacked out?

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King Mob wrote: »

Not really following you again. You seem to be accusing me of something, but I can't quite make sense of it.
Yes, I don't believe any religions.
No I don't believe any aliens are gods, nor do I believe that Gao'ould are coming for it.

Surely as you believe in possibility of alien life forms, and the probability figures show the likelyhood that plenty of these are likely to be highly advanced compared to us mere mortals.

Thus any contact our civilisation would ever have had with these, would surely be considered as 'god-like' and would easily form a basis for some of the hundreds of various world religions.

Anyway we'll leave it as that, aliens=1, gods=0.

King Mob wrote: »

If these are the best examples you have, then I've a bridge you'd be really interested in buying.

Not bad eh? Am all sorted for bridges.

King Mob wrote: »

But that aside, how does this anonymous person on the internet get their information? Via magic? Via Aliens?
Why are they so non specific? Why do they not mention other major unexpected events?
Why do their predictions look exactly like they are guessing randomly?
Why does it label things as correct which are not correct?

Who knows for sure, it could well be those aliens (that you now accept may well exist). It's likely that it's not sent in by fax with precise exact details anyway.

Trump is fairly specific, as are others. Most folks had a fit of laughter when they seen him on my accumulator bets, think he was actually around 25/1 in Sept 16. You should read some of the comments on the Trump for POTUS thread 25/1. Folks were even offering to donate money if he won. Another lad said he spend the day driving around bookies placing bets on Hilary, pure madness. That small matter of Brexit was fairly unlikely, again almost laughable! A conservative majority in the UK, 7.69% chance for that one, some chance!

I blocked a couple so as not to get anyone worried about future ones.

Which one(s) aren't correct?

King Mob

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Surely as you believe in possibility of alien life forms, and the probability figures show the likelyhood that plenty of these are likely to be highly advanced compared to us mere mortals.

Sure, but describing them as gods doesn't follow or really mean anything. Nor does it mean such things exist or are in anywhere near us.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Thus any contact our civilisation would ever have had with these, would surely be considered as 'god-like' and would easily form a basis for some of the hundreds of various world religions.

There is no evidence such a thing has happened.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Who knows for sure, it could well be those aliens (that you now accept may well exist). It's likely that it's not sent in by fax with precise exact details anyway.

So short answer:
You don't know. It's magic.

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Trump is fairly specific, as are others. Most folks had a fit of laughter when they seen him on my accumulator bets, Think he was actually around 25/1 in Sept 16. That small matter of Brexit was fairly unlikely, again almost laughable! A conservative majority in the UK, 7.69% chance for that one, some chance!

Trump is specific as it's it was a 50/50 guess. Likewise with Brexit and all such elections.

Had this person come back with exact numbers and percentages, then it would have been specific.
Why would they not be able to do so?

Aileen Gorgeous Wiper wrote: »

Which one(s) aren't correct?

Main ones:
Fire in Las Vegas
US lending Nukes to Japan

These are labeled correct, yet they are not true.

Please go back and address the rest of my questions:
How does this anonymous person on the internet get their information? Via magic? Via Aliens?
Why are they so non specific? Why do they not mention other major unexpected events?

Why do their predictions look exactly like they are guessing randomly?
Why does it label things as correct which are not correct?
Why is stuff blacked out?

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Really pointless to continue any conversation with King Mob, he needs full explanation for anything he process such as the possibility of sky-gods.

Yet happy to hold belief in the likely-hood of Alien life existing, even though this hasn't exactly been proven, a curious predicament indeed.
How can you hold belief in aliens, if you have no proof? Is there specific data you can present to back this up? exact percentages or numbers?

Btw Trump, ConsMaj and Brexit weren't 50/50, if they were the bookies payouts and polls would have been what is called 'even's.
But sure, try to manipulate this clear fact, dumb it down into a AvB scenario.

The only two there open to interpretation are the 'fire' in LV an Japan, which has just bought the 133m US Aegis defense system and likely has temporary Nu-offensive capabilities now within it's territory.

Sure keep a look out for the arrival of sky-gods in the meantime.
Whilst slating all other concepts of gods or anything that is unproven.

Ipso

Given that life has already originated once already, it's not that big of a leap to say it could have originated again.

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Ipso wrote: »

Given that life has already originated once already, it's not that big of a leap to say it could have originated again.

Very much agree, the level of probability is very high indeed, although not proven, it does call for a certain amount of 'faith' or expectation. Nothing solid of course to go on.

It's likely also many other lifeforms would highly developed, almost considered to be 'god like' in comparison to our basic existence. With many older star systems and even ancient red dwarfs still having planets in their orbit.

Many scientists support multiverse, wormhole and quantum theories whereby time itself isn't 'linear' as we know it. Some even suggest we could be living in a holographic universe, which complicates things somewhat further, ah who knows for sure.