Are Dentists in Ireland more expensive than other Similar Euro Countries

Specialun

Well are they

80 notes here for a normal filling....

Why so expensive?

bodice ripper

the minimum amount of money that 80 notes could be is 400

darkpagandeath

Yes it the same for all healthcare, If you pay peanuts you get monkeys apparently. Or if you pay loads you get consultants that don't see anyone like we do now.

The Moldy Gowl

bodice ripper wrote: »

the minimum amount of money that 80 notes could be is 400

Maybe they are notes from his Mother?

dar100

Far more expense in Ireland, much cheaper in parts of Europe

_Brian

But are they any more expensive than other healthcare providers ??

Our 6yo has some problems with her teeth, she had an extraction today, spent an hour with the dentist for €45.

I've had reason to visit physio's who charge €40 for 30-40 minute sessions..

Think of the cost of dental equipment, she had a dental nurse to pay, rent, rates, insurance, electricity, professional registration etc all before she had a bob for herself.. I'd be surprised if she earned much more than €15 for herself for the hour. Put onto that the cost of her education and I wouldn't consider it expensive.

KungPao

I just use Polyfilla. And to avoid barber costs, I cut my hair with the Flymo. Saves me a pretty penny.

dar100

You seem to have answered your own question!!! Although that's not the one you first asked!!

It's much cheaper in parts of Europe, to answer your original question

Annasopra

Of course they are - sure loads and loads of people goto dentists in the North of Ireland and Budapest because they are much cheaper

Annasopra

They even call it Dental tourismh

ttp://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/irish-go-dental-abroad-holidays-part-of-the-bargain-in-budapest-1.1995059

Andrewf20

I know its not Europe, but I got a dental inspection, clean and xray in the USA last year. Cost? $300. Thankfully insurance paid for it but a rip off if I had to foot the bill. A clean recently in Dublin cost me 40euro and the subsequent filling was 90eu. Considering the labour / skills involved, I dont actually think its bad value.

hfallada

We have very few new dentist coming out of college here. Most go abroad for better opportunities. So there is very little competition. Also my dentist has a receptionist and dental nurse. Their wages must be around €25-30 per hour. Plus he has huge rents overhead. But he is worth it.

The Backwards Man

My dentist is in the North, gave him the guts of £10k in the last four years (an accident with a toilet bowl in Newcastle), and there's no way I could have got it done cheaper anywhere else factoring in flights, accommodation, time off work etc,

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

My dentist is in the North, gave him the guts of £10k in the last four years (an accident with a toilet bowl in Newcastle), and there's no way I could have got it done cheaper anywhere else factoring in flights, accommodation, time off work etc,

Didn't I warn you about drinking out of the toilet? ( joke can't do wink on phone)

The Backwards Man

Jake1 wrote: »

Didn't I warn you about drinking out of the toilet? ( joke can't do wink on phone)

Ha, I wish, landed in Newcastle sober as a judge (scouts honour), went for a shower, slipped in it, fell full whack of the toilet bowl. The two front teeth that broke clean were the cheapest!

Still lasted the weekend though, drinking peroni and sweet and sour sauce from straws.

/Bear Grylys

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Ha, I wish, landed in Newcastle sober as a judge (scouts honour), went for a shower, slipped in it, fell full whack of the toilet bowl. The two front teeth that broke clean were the cheapest!

Still lasted the weekend though, drinking peroni and sweet and sour sauce from straws.

/Bear Grylys

Crap , I feel bad now. That sounds awful

SpaceTime

Basically what it comes down to is Ireland (and Britain too) have to compete with very, very overpaid medical posts in the USA and Australia (public spending bubble in Oz).

Other EU countries generally don't have the same degree of movement to and from those countries due to lingusitic barriers and also lack of familiarity.

If medical wages in Ireland are too low, we basically lose all our doctors.

What's happening at the moment is that the career paths are lousy and the jobs are too difficult due to lack of resources and short staffing so Irish medics are going abroad in large numbers to countries with extremely expensive private systems (USA) or the Aussie bubble where public services are being funded from mineral boom revenues.

The NHS is bleeding staff too. Not as dramatically but it's happening.

Not my fave paper :

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/10995371/Thousands-of-doctors-planning-to-leave-NHS-to-work-abroad.html

The Backwards Man

Jake1 wrote: »

Crap , I feel bad now. That sounds awful

Ah don't on the plus side I had to pay fcuk all tax that year!

ballsymchugh

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Of course they are - sure loads and loads of people goto dentists in the North of Ireland and Budapest because they are much cheaper

most things in ireland are more expensive than in eastern europe. the cost of doing business here is the problem.

Nesta99

Specialun wrote: »

Why so expensive?

One major overhead is insurance cover for any medical practioner in private practice. The joys of living in a litigious society or at least insurance companies using this as an excuse to load premiums. My aunt retired as a consultant obstertician as to cover her insurance would have meant really crazy fees (and she hadnt any case taken against her). Ok its a particularly 'high risk' discipline when things go wrong but this would influence premiums in other medical areas including dentistry.

High levels of water usage in dentistry for example is a big overhead + equipment (especially xray) are major costs certainly in relation to say a GP/physio practice. So bit of a vicious cycle occurs in that dentistry practice running costs in an expensive country means pricey fees meaning suppliers of equipment feel they can load their prices and so on and the patient carrys a good proportion of the burden....the dentist is hardly going to be happy with a net income of 30k or there abouts to keep their fees down...

MadsL

Andrewf20 wrote: »

I know its not Europe, but I got a dental inspection, clean and xray in the USA last year. Cost? $300. Thankfully insurance paid for it but a rip off if I had to foot the bill. A clean recently in Dublin cost me 40euro and the subsequent filling was 90eu. Considering the labour / skills involved, I dont actually think its bad value.

40+90 = 130 euro = 170 USD in 2013. Not far off, and most people have some dental cover.

Personally I'd pay the extra, my dentist here has got far superior equipment. A Drip anesthetic machine that only numbs the tooth she's working on, and a 3D X-ray machine that lets her judge exactly the length of screw for the implant I had done. She also gave me far better advice than any dentist is saw in Ireland, Irish or Polish

BeerWolf

Definitely --- Spain's really cheap.

osarusan

Cost me (by today's exchange rate) about 60 euro to have 4 wisdom teeth removed here, in two different visits*. Maybe the same again in prescription painkillers.

*Never worked out if it was cheaper because I was sent to a dental university clinic instead of a regular clinic, because of how close the teeth were to the nerve. Maybe the roomful of dental students observing my contortions was in lieu of cash. If so, great!

Grayson

Nesta99 wrote: »

One major overhead is insurance cover for any medical practioner in private practice. The joys of living in a litigious society or at least insurance companies using this as an excuse to load premiums. My aunt retired as a consultant obstertician as to cover her insurance would have meant really crazy fees (and she hadnt any case taken against her). Ok its a particularly 'high risk' discipline when things go wrong but this would influence premiums in other medical areas including dentistry.

High levels of water usage in dentistry for example is a big overhead + equipment (especially xray) are major costs certainly in relation to say a GP/physio practice. So bit of a vicious cycle occurs in that dentistry practice running costs in an expensive country means pricey fees meaning suppliers of equipment feel they can load their prices and so on and the patient carrys a good proportion of the burden....the dentist is hardly going to be happy with a net income of 30k or there abouts to keep their fees down...

It's still cheaper in the north. They'd have comparable insurance costs.

There's a dentistry forum or something like it on boards. I stumbled across it looking for reviews of foreign dentists. The mod automatically slaps down anyone who has anything good to say about foreign dentists. According the that forum everywhere else in the world has substandard dental care and we should be grateful we don't pay twice as much as we do here.

There was one thread where someone replied and said that the supplies they use in Eastern Europe are substandard. One poster found out what they use and showed that it's the exact same stuff as here. Just here there's something like an 800% markup here.

Piliger

Specialun wrote: »

Well are they

80 notes here for a normal filling....

Why so expensive?

One major reason is simply because they can .... They act like a closed shop and coordinate their fees.

conorhal

Because we like closed shops and cosy professional cartels in this country.

Another reason prices are high is down to the fact that it was largely the professional classes (lawyers, bankers, doctors and dentists) that invested heavily in property and 'partied' the hardest during the boom years. This is why I reccomeded both my folks to visit the dentist while abroad on holidays after both were reccomended expensive and largely unnecessary treatments for dental problems. That second opinion was invaluable in saving them thousands.

Piliger

About five years ago I had long overdue work done on my teeth. I had had a massive amount of work done when I was a kid, in the Dental Hospital here in Dublin. I had been visiting Poland a lot for business and personal reasons so I asked them to recommend a dentist in the local biggest city - which was a city called Kielce in central Poland.
When I went to him I discovered he was absolutely bloody fantastic. His clinic was super modern with the latest equipment and he himself was a hoot.
I had 80% of my teeth beautifully crowned, including ceramics and four veneers, over a period of several months. I flew there on about six visits overall. The total cost including hotels and flights was €3,800. I priced the work here in Dublin and it would have been €15,000+ !

Aongus Von Bismarck

Dentists tend to charge well in Ireland for their services and expertise. The standards are high though. You wouldn't think it though with the state of some of the mouths you see out in public in Ireland.
I was home for Christmas and the state of some people. Stained teeth jutting out at all sorts of angles. Not a care in the world. A routine examination, clean and polish every 6 months is the very least you should be doing.

jester77

I paid €120 here for a filling with no anasthetic. My health insurance, which costs around €500 a month, doesn't cover it.

keithclancy

Here are the recommended prices in Holland, roundabouts what it should cost:

https://translate.google.nl/translate?sl=nl&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tandarts.nl%2Ftarieven-verzekering%2Frekeningen%2Fwat_kost_een_behandeling&edit-text=

Wabbit Ears

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Dentists tend to charge well in Ireland for their services and expertise. The standards are high though.

This is a massive irish lie we tell ourselves that is being extended to dentists. Ive had dental work done in Poland, Hungary and up north as well as several places in Ireland and the standards of the practices themselves, knowledge of the profession, equipment and materials used made most Irish dentists look like they are still in the dark ages.

One example was a dentist in Poland recommended that I have a dark ugly filling replaced and commented that I must have had it years. He was truly shocked that It had only been done the year before.

faceman

I get all my dental work done in Spain. The dentist is Norweigan and her husband is an Ortadontist.

I got 2 fillings, a deep clean and polish and 4 X-Rays for €180 the last time I was there.

I'm in Spain regularly though so I factor in dental visits when I'm there

spurious

My partner visits a Latvian dentist who flies in regularly and works out of a Dublin surgery. Not quite Latvian prices, but cheaper than the usual Dublin prices.

wahesh32

MadsL wrote: »

40+90 = 130 euro = 170 USD in 2013. Not far off, and most people have some dental cover.

Personally I'd pay the extra, my dentist here has got far superior equipment. A Drip anesthetic machine that only numbs the tooth she's working on, and a 3D X-ray machine that lets her judge exactly the length of screw for the implant I had done. She also gave me far better advice than any dentist is saw in Ireland, Irish or Polish

I found dental prices to be at least 150% and usually closer to 200% higher In the USA than here in Ireland if you don't have insurance. Insurance in the USA brings the costs closer to Irish prices. (I had a root canal done in the USA that was $1100 before insurance, and I paid $700 with insurance. Smiles Dental would have charged me 355eur). I'm getting the crown down here in Ireland, and was quoted 500eur at Smile Dental, but in US I remember it was over $1000 (I don't remember what the insurance would have covered, but it wasn't much).

The percentage of people in the USA with private dental coverage is just at 50% (although if you include medicare/medicaid it's closer to 60%)
http /www .gao .gov/products/GAO-13-754 (I can't post the link because of my low post-count)

Falcon L

In my experience, Ireland is definitely more expensive than most of Europe. I've had work done in France and Spain much cheaper than I would get here,and the quality of the work isn't sub-standard.

keithclancy

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

This is a massive irish lie we tell ourselves that is being extended to dentists. Ive had dental work done in Poland, Hungary and up north as well as several places in Ireland and the standards of the practices themselves, knowledge of the profession, equipment and materials used made most Irish dentists look like they are still in the dark ages.

One example was a dentist in Poland recommended that I have a dark ugly filling replaced and commented that I must have had it years. He was truly shocked that It had only been done the year before.

I would agree with you, there are good dentists and bad ones in every country.

It's just when it goes wrong with anything health related it's difficult to go after them when its an a different country that isn't your native language.

Assuming a dentist is automatically good or bad because they are in a certain country is a mistake though

I was in Bulgaria and developed an abscess on my tooth. Went to Dentist, he did and xray and handed me antibiotics. Charged me €10.
Am xray on its own here is €30. Then they charge for writing a prescription.
There was nothing substandard about the dental practice either.

Stojkovic

Budapest is the way to go.
Beautiful city too.

Graces7

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Ha, I wish, landed in Newcastle sober as a judge (scouts honour), went for a shower, slipped in it, fell full whack of the toilet bowl. The two front teeth that broke clean were the cheapest!

Still lasted the weekend though, drinking peroni and sweet and sour sauce from straws.

/Bear Grylys

Bears out my hatred of showers! Dangerous places;) Commiserations of course..

Graces7

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Dentists tend to charge well in Ireland for their services and expertise. The standards are high though. You wouldn't think it though with the state of some of the mouths you see out in public in Ireland.
I was home for Christmas and the state of some people. Stained teeth jutting out at all sorts of angles. Not a care in the world. A routine examination, clean and polish every 6 months is the very least you should be doing.

Will never forget the first Irish bishop I met; his teeth are literally green..

The Moldy Gowl

Graces7 wrote: »

Will never forget the first Irish bishop I met; his teeth are literally green..

What does him being a Bishop have to do with anything?

Were they literally green or just figuratively green?

Grayson

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

Dentists tend to charge well in Ireland for their services and expertise. The standards are high though. You wouldn't think it though with the state of some of the mouths you see out in public in Ireland.
I was home for Christmas and the state of some people. Stained teeth jutting out at all sorts of angles. Not a care in the world. A routine examination, clean and polish every 6 months is the very least you should be doing.

I need a few implants, some bridge work and veneers. The reason I haven't got them is price. It'd cost well over 10k for the work here.

I'd have gotten the work done here except for the price. 10k is not something I have at all. And to be honest, I hate my teeth. I really want the work done.

When you see someone with bad teeth it might be worth your while remembering that they are probably all too aware they look horrible and would do something if it wasn't for the ridiculous prices charged here.

but feel free to judge anyway.

Grayson

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

One example was a dentist in Poland recommended that I have a dark ugly filling replaced and commented that I must have had it years. He was truly shocked that It had only been done the year before.

My first fillings were those kind. I was surprised because I thought it was really ugly. The next couple were the same. A few years later I went to the most expensive dentist in the town. He put in a white filling on one of my front teeth. A few days later and it turned yellow from tea/coffee. I had that yellow spot for years until another dentist removed it and replaced it with one that doesn't stain.

I've probably been to 10 dental surgeries in Ireland over the years. They're all rubbish except for the one I'm at now. He's reasonably priced for the basic stuff too. Unfortunately for the amount I need done I'm going to have to go abroad as it'll be 1/3 the price or about 9k cheaper.

gqma0

We've been going to the gentle dental clinic in Warrenpoint in NI over the last 3 years and I don't regret the 1h trip.
Simply compare the prices from a regular filling to a crown and see by yourself.

Also, VHI always treated the claims without any issues,

TheBeardedLady

Spain is much cheaper. I was quoted around 2000 for a crown in 2002 in Ireland and I paid 400 for it last year in Spain (after the temporary filling finally fell out) and I was extremely happy with the service and what they'd done; very professional service. I paid 700 quid for that, 6 fillings and a clean (I hadn't gone for a very long time because of the expense). I understand overheads are more expensive in Ireland but it seems the difference is a little bonkers.

I'll be coming here again for all my major dental work.