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Bootros Bootros wrote: »I am thirsty and have to piss. At the same time.
Where's your Dawkins now Atheists?
Why here he is! Speaking about the evolutionary "design" of the body.
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Thinly veiled 'I live in a really sunny place' post.
If only. I am in Germany and spend a few days last week shoveling snow off the paths around my home.For all religions, non-believers are the lowest of the low.
True to a point. But also interesting to consider the fact that.... for example.... the "10 commandments" do not refer to non-believers but false believers. Which suggests some religions look down on believers of false religions a little more than non-believers.constance tench wrote: »I'm saying we shouldn't discount the existence of something we don't fully understand.
A good approach but not applicable here. The problem here is not that atheists are dismissing the evidence for a god they do not fully understand. The issue is that they have not been OFFERED such evidence.
And one simply can not dismiss what one has not even been offered in the first place. That would be like you passing the potatoes and me declining saying "No thanks, I do not eat peas".'atheists' are not a homogeneous group of people, akin to those who share a religion.
Hell even they are not homogeneous most of the time. Look at Christianity for example. The last edition of the World Christian Encyclopedia I picked up recognizes over 33,000 branches, sects and off shots of this alone.
And I remember two little old ladies in my life who had sat together in church every day for decades. During a conversation with me it came to light that, and neither of them knew it before, their mutual ideas of "god" and various aspects of their particular faith, were wildly contradictory. Especially their idea of what the Consecration of the Cracker actually meant and entailed.Sofiztikated wrote: »I'll have a good old argument with people IRL about Religion™, but in the end, it always ends up being an argument about the definition of atheism, rather than the topic at hand.
You would be depressed to see just how many threads on the atheism forum go down that route too.
This is why I simply do not use the word atheist to describe myself when I can at all help it. I simply do not identify with the word at all. Nor do I like the word agnostic because the original definition is not one I identify with at all, and the modern definition/use of it is so dilute as to be essentially meaningless.
I define myself by what I AM. Not by what I am NOT.sh1tstirrer wrote: »Interesting, seeing that you are an atheist what are your beliefs?
On what topic exactly? I subscribe to so many ideas myself that an answer to your question would be novel length. IF you could be more specific I could too. I am led to believe, for example, that the speed of light in a vacuum is essentially constant. I also find myself under the impression I see to eat to prevent death. And that is just 2 beliefs I hold out of several thousands.Kalani Scrawny Aunt wrote: »Why is it that all they do in the atheist forum is take pot shots at those who believe in God
They do much more than that. Perhaps you need to read more of the posts there and less of the making it up for yourself.im an atheist and bible bashers shoving god down my neck is just as annoying as an arrogant atheist.
I think however that that one has already been done.
Baggy Trousers wrote: »I wish people cared about Planet Earth as much as they do about who created it.
Unfortunately many religions positively ensure the opposite will happen. Those people who genuinely believe that Jesus is going to return without their life time, or shortly after, and rapture us all into another realm for example..... what possible reason do such people have to care about slow destruction of this planet? The speed of such destruction simply does not scale onto the length of time they believe the planet will be under our stewardship.What do atheists say instead of ohh God when having sex.
Actually I am quite verbose during sex, just as much as I am on this forum and I say all kinds of things. Not all of it secular or non-religious.
As what other people label "atheist" I have no issue with using language with religious roots. Any more than a Christian has trouble saying "Thursday" despite its links to pagan religions related to Thor. Even the word "Goodbye" has an etymology in "God be with you". And "Holidays" comes from "Holy days".
I simply have no met a single atheist myself who has issue with the fact that language has cultural origins over a long period of time, and our cultural history was indeed steeped in religion.Baggy Trousers wrote: »
I remember the first person who told me that joke. It was my primary school teacher in Belgrove in Clontarf. I was 7We are all made of star dust and energy cannot be destroyed only converted.
So maybe consciousness does move on to some higher plane of existence once we pass on.
I am genuinely baffled as to how you went from the first sentence to the second one. Could you elaborate."Oh Scientific Method" "OH SCIENTIFIC METHOD!"
Well the scientific method involves the ability to be able to repeat your results. So I would certainly be happy to apply that to the sexual scenarios
Then again it also requires peer review, and third party observation, and that others repeat your results. Not sure I am into that 0 -
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irish coldplayer wrote: »If you've been indoctrinated into a religion by your family as a child and your family all adhere to the tenets and customs of that religion then I'd say a hell of a lot of thinking is required to reject these concepts later in life.Not really. I mean I stopped believing when I was around 10 or 11. It started off when a teacher told us that heaven wasn't actually a place in the sky and my little mind went "woah, woah, woah, what? But that's what we always were told so who's lying?". So, like the strange child I was, I decided to read the Bible and reading through it actually stopped the belief altogether. I read in my teens then again when I decided to teach myself about various religions instead of just being handed Alive magazines every religion class. It's actually made me wonder how many people have read the Bible and how many just follow the snippets the priests say at mass...
But both examples above are an absence of belief as a consequence of the the rejection of the initial indoctrination of belief, no?
But what if neither of you had never been indoctrinated, would you still question the validity of the things you were being told? Would you still have thought about just how unbelievable some of this stuff is before you searched for answers to your questions and concluded that you couldn't relate to these concepts you were indoctrinated with because they had no basis in reality and there was no evidence to support the beliefs you'd been taught, that in fact the evidence was contradictory at best at all levels?
The point I'm making is that you employed critical thinking and questioning after the fact so to speak, but if you'd never been taught these beliefs in the first place, then you wouldn't have had to think about them and whether or not you could relate to them.
Chances are you'd just smile and nod politely and dismissively say "that's niiiice", when someone would impart these beliefs to you as an adult (or you might tell then to eff right off, I dunno), and you'd think no more of it. You might think the person was a few sandwiches short of a full loaf depending on the conviction of their belief!
I'd say there'd be a lot more non-believers if they actually read the whole Bible that they're supposed to be following. Same hold true for most religions...
I dunno, I mean that genuinely, I don't know if I could say that could ever actually be true. I mean, I've read a couple of holy books in my time (of the major religions anyway), and I've studied their history. I suppose it depends on what way an individual decides to interpret them for themselves. Like ANY book really, some people would be inclined to think "well that was a load of cock!", some people would think it was interesting, some people would buy into the ideology hook, line and sinker. It doesn't speak to anything regarding their intelligence. It's simply evidence that different people relate to different concepts... differently.
That's about the only thing I've found true for all human beings, regardless of their beliefs, or absence thereof.
Where do you stand on the existence of extraterrestrial life in the known universe?
(Nah it's grand, I'm only messing, but I find it interesting that some people believe extraterrestrial life forms exist or have existed, yet when someone claims to have been abducted to spend a weekend being probed, they're nuts!)
That's off-topic though, but it's a close enough analogy to demonstrate that people, depending on what they can or cannot relate to, will always find almost ingenious ways to rationalise their biases for themselves.0 -
One eyed Jack wrote: »But both examples above are an absence of belief as a consequence of the the rejection of the initial indoctrination of belief, no?
But what if neither of you had never been indoctrinated, would you still question the validity of the things you were being told? Would you still have thought about just how unbelievable some of this stuff is before you searched for answers to your questions and concluded that you couldn't relate to these concepts you were indoctrinated with because they had no basis in reality and there was no evidence to support the beliefs you'd been taught, that in fact the evidence was contradictory at best at all levels?
The point I'm making is that you employed critical thinking and questioning after the fact so to speak, but if you'd never been taught these beliefs in the first place, then you wouldn't have had to think about them and whether or not you could relate to them.
Chances are you'd just smile and nod politely and dismissively say "that's niiiice", when someone would impart these beliefs to you as an adult (or you might tell then to eff right off, I dunno), and you'd think no more of it. You might think the person was a few sandwiches short of a full loaf depending on the conviction of their belief!
I dunno, I mean that genuinely, I don't know if I could say that could ever actually be true. I mean, I've read a couple of holy books in my time (of the major religions anyway), and I've studied their history. I suppose it depends on what way an individual decides to interpret them for themselves. Like ANY book really, some people would be inclined to think "well that was a load of cock!", some people would think it was interesting, some people would buy into the ideology hook, line and sinker. It doesn't speak to anything regarding their intelligence. It's simply evidence that different people relate to different concepts... differently.
That's about the only thing I've found true for all human beings, regardless of their beliefs, or absence thereof.
Where do you stand on the existence of extraterrestrial life in the known universe?
(Nah it's grand, I'm only messing, but I find it interesting that some people believe extraterrestrial life forms exist or have existed, yet when someone claims to have been abducted to spend a weekend being probed, they're nuts!)
That's off-topic though, but it's a close enough analogy to demonstrate that people, depending on what they can or cannot relate to, will always find almost ingenious ways to rationalise their biases for themselves.
I think I would anyway, due to the fact I did study a lot of religions. I've never really been one to accept something without proof except when I was a child and everyone was telling me the same thing. I like understanding thingsm especially when they concern myself.
The thing is though, many things that are said in many texts (the individual things) are genuinely batshít crazy!
As for ET life, well given the zillions of planets out there, I'd say more than likely there's some sort of life somewhere. I don't think they've visited earth, mainly because of how limited our perception is and how the mind can play tricks on you and as you say "rationalise their basis for themselves". I mean, if someone really wanted to believe that aliens kidnapped them, that's what they're going to believe. Same with religion. And that's okay, as long as they don't try and convert others to that same thing.0 -
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Zubeneschamali wrote: »Atheists have values. But atheism cannot supply them. I reject all systems with gods in them. How can that, on its own, tell me how to live? It can't.
There's humanism, communism, liberalism, libertarianism - lots of other isms that have values, and goals, and no Gods, but there are no values and goals in atheism, it's just a lack or theism, an absence of one particular kind of belief.
A completely different thing than you originally tried to say. And what you seem to be trying to say, but in a very confusing manner, is that Atheism itself does not supply values, as it is simply a lack of belief in god(s).
If that is what you are trying to say then you are right 0 -
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