Athiests - Who cares

Baggy Trousers

smash wrote: »

mrsbyrne's buddy.

Who is that? I don't follow.

Tar.Aldarion

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He's not wrong, there's a strong correlation between intelligence and atheism, and between education and atheism. Working scientists are much more likely to be atheists than the average Joe.

Not that any of that proves anything.

There is correlation in lots of things like this, atheists and veg*ns and x group have higher iqs, better educated, wealthier etc. Mostly it's coming down to education i would image, which is a byproduct of wealth sometimes.

kneemos

shruikan2553 wrote: »

The deity doesn't. Belief in the deity does.

Yes but it's the actions that make the deity real.

Baggy Trousers

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

The guy who was mentioned in the quote of the post that you yourself quoted.

I know that but "he" wasn't named!

Peist2007

Fuhrer wrote: »

This guy just said anything you think is real, is real.


Therefore if someone thinks there is no god, then there is no god.

I do not think that is what the guy said. But hey

shruikan2553

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Who is "he" out of curiosity?

Me probably, she called me thick once and I replied with I cant be that stupid, once, no "frequently". Also accused me of wanting genocide before. I think she is an ex of mine.

I was thick for not believing in god. Hence how atheism came up.

constance tench

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

There is correlation in lots of things like this, atheists and veg*ns and x group have higher iqs, better educated, wealthier etc. Mostly it's coming down to education i would image, which is a byproduct of wealth sometimes.

Is that why Jesuits are poor and uneducated?

o1s1n

constance tench wrote: »

Is it possible you have a flawed understanding of what god is?

'A god' or 'the god'?

If it's 'a god' then you could easily go by any dictionary definition.

If it's 'the god' several thousand religions are going to give you a different answer and understanding. So how can it be flawed with so many possible answers?

Atomic Pineapple

kneemos wrote: »

Yes but it's the actions that make the deity real.

Please define what actions provide undeniable proof that a catholic god and jesus christ exist? These actions could change the course of human history.

constance tench

o1s1n wrote: »

'A god' or 'the god'?

If it's 'a god' then you could easily go by any dictionary definition.

If it's 'the god' several thousand religions are going to give you a different answer and understanding. So how can it be flawed with so many possible answers?

No, just god.

Roger Hassenforder

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

This thread is hilarious [Posted in the name of the Queen Xenomorph]
.

She sounds hot. I'm imagining tanned, toned and curved, an almost transparent negligee with gold filigree on a type of chaise lounge. With sex slaves

mrsbyrne

o1s1n wrote: »

I don't go out of my way to mock others, but if your beliefs are so easily mocked perhaps it's time to find new beliefs?

Generally if people are mocking something it's because it has an element of truth to it.

You see it going on with the whole Muslim cartoon thing at the moment. Muslims don't allow depictions of their Prophet, therefore go mad when people do so.

Many people find this unreasonable and end up satirizing/mocking the belief.

It's the belief that is the issue here as it is dictating how non believers must act. The mocking is just a product of this.

Who said my beliefs are "easily" mocked ? If its not ok to say to a vegetarian "I think your an idiot/stupid/thick because you don't like to eat meat and I think your vegetarian handbook is a pile of crap" then why is it ok to say " I think your beliefs make you an idiot/stupid/thick and your Bible/Koran/siddur is a pile of crap?"

The_Valeyard

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

This thread is hilarious [Posted in the name of the Queen Xenomorph]

/Forevermore this post shall exist as the undeniable proof that the Queen Xenomorph is a real thing and not in anyway the fictional work of a movie production.

It's that kind of attitude and mockery that does tend to annoy people. Bit like the whole spaghetti monster thinge

o1s1n

constance tench wrote: »

No, just god.

There are millions of gods throughout human history. As someone who doesn't believe in any of them, I don't know which one you're talking about.

You'll need to specify.

Atomic Pineapple

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

She sounds hot. I'm imagining tanned, toned and curved, an almost transparent negligee with gold filigree on a type of chaise lounge. With sex slaves

Bang on the money and all you have to do to make sure you get your own sex slaves when you die is to go to a crossroads at midnight every thursday and twerk for 15 minutes. You will then be welcomed to the eternal brothel in the sky upon your death.

*Genuinely worried, based upon some posts in this thread, that this may spawn an actual religion.

keithclancy

The_Valeyard wrote: »

It's that kind of attitude and mockery that does tend to annoy people. Bit like the whole spaghetti monster thinge

People who hear people talking about the Holy Ghost, saying a prayer for a driving test and an immaculate conception also find it a bit annoying since its in the same arena as Aliens and Chem trails

constance tench

o1s1n wrote: »

There are millions of gods throughout human history. As someone who doesn't believe in any of them, I don't know which one you're talking about.

You'll need to specify.

Is it possible you have a flawed understanding of what god is?

Legend_DIT

constance tench wrote: »

What's the big deal?
If he's an atheist it wouldn't be a real baptism!
Or would it...?

I am an atheist and my wife is expecting our first child. Fortunately, she is non-religious and so not getting the child baptised is something we have both agreed on.

We also had a humanist wedding - why not just go along to get along and not risk upsetting others who would like a traditional wedding/baptism? Because on important days in my life, I do not want to be lying about who I am and saying words that I do not mean. I feel there are many people in Ireland for whom religion plays no role whatsoever in their life. These people are culturally Christian who see themselves as good people but have no interest in developing a personal relationship with God or learning more about their faith (I'd love to know the proportion of Catholics who believe in literal transubstantiation!) but have never really thought about it at all and just does the church wedding, baptism, mass once a year at Christmas because it's the done thing.

Being an atheist can be difficult and some families won't accept it. I'm very lucky but I know that others have had real issues because of it.

If my child develops a real belief system that doesn't come through indoctrination at a young age, I won't be disappointed - they can believe whatever as long as they've come to it with an inquisitive mind and can respect that others do not believe the same!

I don't think I'm better for not believing and in some ways I would like to so I could hope to see departed family and friends in an afterlife.

Atomic Pineapple

The_Valeyard wrote: »

It's that kind of attitude and mockery that does tend to annoy people. Bit like the whole spaghetti monster thinge

I'm not mocking anyone's beliefs, I'm mocking the concept that just because someone does something or believes in something offers undeniable proof to everyone.

The_Valeyard

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

How did you grow out of not having something?

The more I studied , the more I grew, the more I became involved in science, the more I studied science, the more convicened I became, that atheism was not for me.

kneemos

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

Please define what actions provide undeniable proof that a catholic god and jesus christ exist? These actions could change the course of human history.

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

o1s1n

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Who said my beliefs are "easily" mocked ? If its not ok to say to a vegetarian "I think your an idiot/stupid/thick because you don't like to eat meat and I think your vegetarian handbook is a pile of crap" then why is it ok to say " I think your beliefs make you an idiot/stupid/thick and your Bible/Koran/siddur is a pile of crap?"

Mocking a belief is mocking a belief.

Mocking a person is mocking a person.

You seem to be confusing the two.

Who said it's not okay to tell a vegetarian (or anyone on a particular specific diet) that it might be useless/damaging to their health/a pile of crap etc?

If someone was on a diet purely of sweets would you say nothing to them because this was their 'belief?'

Jesus tonight, nobody lives in a bubble. We're all grown adults capable of making decisions and listening to people's opinions on those decisions.

o1s1n

constance tench wrote: »

Is it possible you have a flawed understanding of what god is?

Ah, repetition. The first sign that someone is brainwashed.

I shall bid good day to you sir and engage no further.

TheChizler

kneemos wrote: »

Yes but it's the actions that make the deity real.

People do actions in the name of hundreds of different gods daily, do these actions make each of these deities real, simultaneously?

mrsbyrne

shruikan2553 wrote: »

Me probably, she called me thick once and I replied with I cant be that stupid, once, no "frequently". Also accused me of wanting genocide before. I think she is an ex of mine.

I was thick for not believing in god. Hence how atheism came up.

Nah, that's not how that happened. tell us shruikan which of us posters was first to use the word "thick" on that thread?
Your letting yourself down now. For someone who has allegedly been first in their class for the last three years you shouldn't really be admitting that someone as illustrious as you would ever shag someone as "thick" as me.

constance tench

o1s1n wrote: »

Ah, repetition. The first sign that someone is brainwashed.

I shall bid good day to you sir and engage no further.

Ah, right. Good day!

Zubeneschamali

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you

I think that you are using unusual definitions of "god" and "real". I like the Philip K. Dick definition:

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.

Roger Hassenforder

Atomic Pineapple wrote: »

Bang on the money and all you have to do to make sure you get your own sex slaves when you die is to go to a crossroads at midnight every thursday and twerk for 15 minutes. You will then be welcomed to the eternal brothel in the sky upon your death.

*Genuinely worried, based upon some posts in this thread, that this may spawn an actual religion.

Praise be her perky nipples, but I'm not worthy to be even a sex slave

CruelCoin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

It's that kind of attitude and mockery that does tend to annoy people. Bit like the whole spaghetti monster thinge

The whole spaghetti monster thing came about in the USA as an attempt to highlight the stupidity of teaching as fact something that cannot be proven. Creationism, etc.

The logic being "If i can't disprove yours and it must be accepted and thaught in schools, then neither can you disprove my god".

The Bible of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (all praise to his noodly goodness) is fully fleshed out, with religious feasts, miracles, garb, greetings, prayers, etc. Its a fully formed religion. Not sure how you can be annoyed by it, given that it's really no different to christianity. Words in a book treated as absolute proof and fact.

In the past 12 months i have been subjected to annoying christian messages far more than i have pastafariansim. No booze on whatever holy day, the angelus, etc.

You're ok with one thing that annoys people, but not the other?

Kiwi in IE

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

But if I leave food out every night for the nocturnal unicorn that lives in my garden because I believe that it exists, it does not make it's existence factual does it? I really don't follow what you mean here?

Zubeneschamali

The_Valeyard wrote: »

atheism was not for me.

This is somewhat ambiguous. It might mean "Yelling at people at closing time that there is no God is not for me", and it might mean "That dude with the beard on the cloud created everything".

Or something in between.

shruikan2553

mrsbyrne wrote: »

Nah, that's not how that happened. tell us shruikan which of us posters was first to use the word "thick" on that thread?
Your letting yourself down now. For someone who has allegedly been first in their class for the last three years you shouldn't really be admitting that someone as illustrious as you would ever shag someone as "thick" as me.

I said if someone said we should close down all hospitals and replace them with prayer they are thick.
I had no idea you or anyone else thought that we should close down all hospitals. Please dont hurt me.

The_Valeyard

keithclancy wrote: »

People who hear people talking about the Holy Ghost, saying a prayer for a driving test and an immaculate conception also find it a bit annoying since its in the same arena as Aliens and Chem trails

Not sure how to do the whole roll eyes emoticon thinge on the phone.

Atomic Pineapple

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

An earth shattering let down maybe. I don't believe in God but I don't discount the possibility and was looking forward to someone at last providing some evidence that is not nonsensical. Proof that I will see my father again come my death would make my day.

podgemonster

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

So according to your logic by people leaving a carrot out for Rudolph on Christmas Eve, the flying Red-Nosed reindeer therefore undeniably exists.

keithclancy

Legend_DIT wrote: »

I am an atheist and my wife is expecting our first child. Fortunately, she is non-religious and so not getting the child baptised is something we have both agreed on.

We also had a humanist wedding - why not just go along to get along and not risk upsetting others who would like a traditional wedding/baptism? Because on important days in my life, I do not want to be lying about who I am and saying words that I do not mean. I feel there are many people in Ireland for whom religion plays no role whatsoever in their life. These people are culturally Christian who see themselves as good people but have no interest in developing a personal relationship with God or learning more about their faith (I'd love to know the proportion of Catholics who believe in literal transubstantiation!) but have never really thought about it at all and just does the church wedding, baptism, mass once a year at Christmas because it's the done thing.

Being an atheist can be difficult and some families won't accept it. I'm very lucky but I know that others have had real issues because of it.

If my child develops a real belief system that doesn't come through indoctrination at a young age, I won't be disappointed - they can believe whatever as long as they've come to it with an inquisitive mind and can respect that others do not believe the same!

I don't think I'm better for not believing and in some ways I would like to so I could hope to see departed family and friends in an afterlife.

We just did the Civil Marriage.

In Holland, many people get married on paper on the day its free in the City Hall and then have a ceremony the next day.

Our friends did it, went on the thursday to City Hall, got married on paper and then had a ceremony and a large bbq and outdoor disco at home.

My understanding of the Humanist thing is you can do pretty much whatever you want during the legal ceremony?

CruelCoin

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

Thats ridiculous.

I do everything in the name of a massive mountain full of ovulating strippers.

Alas, simply doing it in the name of something does not make it true.

Peist2007

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

So believing fervently in something means that, by virtue of that belief, there is an afterlife and heaven etc? Who came back from the dead and told you this?

iDave

Cant help but behold just how threatened theists are be atheists.

Penn

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

May not be as earth shattering as you suspect.

"maybe not to you" is the problem with your argument, kneemos. Something either exists, or it doesn't.

What you're actually talking about is the idea of God, and that belief in his existence makes people do stuff God related. That doesn't mean that the belief is true, it only means that the person who performs that action believes it to be true.

God may or may not exist. It's impossible to know and illogical to claim truth either way. The very nature of a god or gods is supernatural, and as such can't be measured or proven by any known natural laws (as supernatural deities would exist outside of that scope). That's why it's a belief, not a fact.

Zubeneschamali

Peist2007 wrote: »

So believing fervently in something means that, by virtue of that belief, there is an afterlife and heaven etc? Who came back from the dead and told you this?

I think it is more that kneemos uses "x is real" to mean "the idea of x exists" for values of x which don't actually exist.

Hence "God is real" means something different from "the thumbtack on your chair, point upwards, is real".

Peist2007

Penn wrote: »

"maybe not to you" is the problem with your argument, kneemos. Something either exists, or it doesn't.

What you're actually talking about is the idea of God, and that belief in his existence makes people do stuff God related. That doesn't mean that the belief is true, it only means that the person who performs that action believes it to be true.

God may or may not exist. It's impossible to know and illogical to claim truth either way. The very nature of a god or gods is supernatural, and as such can't be measured or proven by any known natural laws (as supernatural deities would exist outside of that scope). That's why it's a belief, not a fact.

I agree with all you have said but, when the existence of God is derived from books written by people who, as you say, had no way of knowing themselves, i tend to lean on the side that their beliefs were just that, beliefs, with no evidence or proof.

Telling people that faith signifies reality is mental and, in 2015, it should be safe to regard it as mental

smash

kneemos wrote: »

Anything that is done in Gods name or because I believe in God obviously means that God is real,maybe not to you but if people do stuff God related then it is plainly undeniable that God exists.

Can you address my previous post...

smash wrote: »

Back up there... Going by that logic, Muslim extremists who murder in the name of Allah must prove the existence of Allah, therefore all other religions are worshipping a false god because obviously Allah exists.

Tar.Aldarion

constance tench wrote: »

Is that why Jesuits are poor and uneducated?

No, that is totally unrelated to my post. Shows a lack of understanding of society/culture as well as statistics.

Peist2007

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think it is more that kneemos uses "x is real" to mean "the idea of x exists" for values of x which don't actually exist.

Hence "God is real" means something different from "the thumbtack on your chair, point upwards, is real".

I see what you're saying. What a nonsensical way of looking at things!

What i find funny is if you told a religious person that you saw a UFO or unicorn, they would seek evidence and not believe you until said evidence was produced.

Religion, to me, shows the power of indoctrination on children's minds. Those children become adults and still it has a hold despite us living in an information age

constance tench

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

Peist2007

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

Incorrect.

Baggy Trousers

Legend_DIT wrote: »

I am an atheist and my wife is expecting our first child. Fortunately, she is non-religious and so not getting the child baptised is something we have both agreed on.

We also had a humanist wedding - why not just go along to get along and not risk upsetting others who would like a traditional wedding/baptism? Because on important days in my life, I do not want to be lying about who I am and saying words that I do not mean. I feel there are many people in Ireland for whom religion plays no role whatsoever in their life. These people are culturally Christian who see themselves as good people but have no interest in developing a personal relationship with God or learning more about their faith (I'd love to know the proportion of Catholics who believe in literal transubstantiation!) but have never really thought about it at all and just does the church wedding, baptism, mass once a year at Christmas because it's the done thing.

Being an atheist can be difficult and some families won't accept it. I'm very lucky but I know that others have had real issues because of it.

If my child develops a real belief system that doesn't come through indoctrination at a young age, I won't be disappointed - they can believe whatever as long as they've come to it with an inquisitive mind and can respect that others do not believe the same!

I don't think I'm better for not believing and in some ways I would like to so I could hope to see departed family and friends in an afterlife.

Well done Sir. I have had a similar path.

constance tench

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

No, that is totally unrelated to my post. Shows a lack of understanding of society/culture as well as statistics.

Yes, correlation is not causation.
Shows your lack of understanding of human nature.

shruikan2553

constance tench wrote: »

Atheist logic: There are no other dimensions except the first, second and third.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime