if we ever had a terrorist attack in ireland ??

Grayson · 09-01-2015 1:37pm

Gatling wrote: »

Because most of the terrorist related attacks were carried out in the north and dealt with by British military .
So by saying we are very successful at dealing with counter and anti terrorism operations is a large stretch of the imagination

We do have terrorists here. the real IRA are active south of the boarder. Remember the massive fcuk off bomb that was found at the queens visit? Even though we've scaled back since the troubles ended we still have an active counter terrorist unit that have close to 80 years experience behind them.

just because there hasn't been a massive detonation in a few years doesn't mean our police have forgotten everything they knew.

Graces7 · 09-01-2015 2:38pm

bjork wrote: »

I envy the younger ones on this thread who didn't grow up with a bombing/shooting/kneecapping in Ireland on the news every evening.

still happens too frequenty..

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-01-2015 2:42pm

Panrich wrote: »

I seriously doubt if we have major intelligence or infiltration of the muslim community here.

Our neighbours intelligence services would have that info

Dan_Solo · 09-01-2015 2:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

serious question how would Ireland handle it if it ever happened. Which I hope it never does.

Sinn Fein PR department, you've earned your Xmas bonus!

09-01-2015 2:44pm

We would send in Enda Kenny to negotiate with the terrorists. Then all will be fine.

Panthro · 09-01-2015 2:46pm

Send in Ming with a load a smhoke and let him do the negotiating, be grand!

Oat23 · 09-01-2015 2:50pm

Before everyone pops their iodine pills and heads out west to us, get the e-voting machines out of storage and build a wall along the east coast with them.

bjork · 09-01-2015 2:58pm

Graces7 wrote: »

still happens too frequenty..

I went to listen to Nuala O' Loan & Co speak at a conference not too long ago. It was eye opening to say the least. The most heart moving speech was a comment from a man in the audience and how it is affecting his community.

Mackas_view · 09-01-2015 3:02pm

(On a serious note)I'd be fairly confident that certain units in The army along with the best the Gardai have to offer would deal with it competently.
We have a very small threat because of Shannon airport so I'm sure the Army and the Gardai haven't overlooked this.

The Backwards Man · 09-01-2015 3:05pm

Ireland would handle a terrorist attack remarkably well, as it always has in the past. Does any history of the last hundred years at all be taught in the schools these days?

Dan_Solo · 09-01-2015 3:05pm

Mackas_view wrote: »

We have a very small threat because of Shannon airport so I'm sure the Army and the Gardai haven't overlooked this.

The Gardai have been overlooking the threat illegal activity at Shannon airport poses for years actually.

Mackas_view · 09-01-2015 3:12pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

The Gardai have been overlooking the threat illegal activity at Shannon airport poses for years actually.

Bit of elab please buddy :-)

Dan_Solo · 09-01-2015 3:16pm

Mackas_view wrote: »

Bit of elab please buddy :-)

Refuelling bombers? Rendition? Any of this ring a bell?

Mackas_view · 09-01-2015 3:24pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Refuelling bombers? Rendition? Any of this ring a bell?

I thought that's what you meant but that's completely the well paid men in the suits call not the guards surely?

They just have to posses the skills and wait for the call!!

lazybones32 · 09-01-2015 3:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

serious question how would Ireland handle it if it ever happened. Which I hope it never does.

What pro-cautions does Ireland have in place ?

This is the same Country that ground to a halt when it snowed a few years ago...

I guess: the Gardai would investigate it. Simple as. There's no way to 100% eliminate the threat of terrorist acts.

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 4:13pm

Everlong1 wrote: »

The Gardai, in cooperation with the PSNI have been very successful in infiltrating the alphabet soup of Republican murder groups since the Omagh atrocity. I'd echo Panrich's comment though about their capacity in relation to potential Islamist nutters. Apart from the occasional burst of outrage like the recent one about the Islamic nutter who wants all Irish Mulsim kids segregated in school, we haven't had any problems yet with home grown Islamist nutbars.

Ah domestic terrorist and Captain midnight..... All them fellas cant wait to spill their guts how they are "on a mission with a new agenda" down the pub. The Gardai bring them in and they rat out someone elses....repeat the process, next thing you know they are all ratting on eachother. The only one that didnt rat is in Jail. That is how you bring paranoia into a an organisation...... and they are all ratting on you.

Wait until young Ibraheem Halawa gets home from Egypt ...... then we are going to see trouble

Crooked Jack · 09-01-2015 4:26pm

Gatling wrote: »

Because most of the terrorist related attacks were carried out in the north and dealt with by British military .
So by saying we are very successful at dealing with counter and anti terrorism operations is a large stretch of the imagination

It was the gardai more so than the PSNI that crushed the RIRA

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 4:31pm

Crooked Jack wrote: »

It was the gardai more so than the PSNI that crushed the RIRA

Didnt they have a plot to get the Queen while she was here? They got as far as getting two grenades. Didnt the RIRA have a Court Marital afterwards? to weed out the informer?
The one leading it was most likely the informer like StakeKnife, Freddy Scapattici? was that his name in 50 dead men walking

Boring username · 09-01-2015 4:46pm

It would appear there are now two threads on this subject....perhaps the Mods might merge the two?

uch · 09-01-2015 4:52pm

Sisko wrote: »

Thats Northern Ireland though.

Think the OP was asking about Ireland.

No such Place

Son Of A Vidic · 09-01-2015 5:11pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Didnt they have a plot to get the Queen while she was here? They got as far as getting two grenades. Didnt the RIRA have a Court Marital afterwards? to weed out the informer?
The one leading it was most likely the informer like StakeKnife, Freddy Scapattici? was that his name in 50 dead men walking

I suspect you're reading too much Sunday Word, or similar works of fiction.

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 5:18pm

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I suspect you're reading too much Sunday Word, or similar works of fiction.

guilty as charged ... but it was the (Irish) Sunday Times but Paul Williams is usually Ok

MarkY91 · 09-01-2015 5:20pm

i think we would make a mockery of ourselves infront of the world if faced with the paris sutations. (personal opinion)

Sunnyisland · 09-01-2015 5:25pm

Its my opinion that the residence of the American embassdor in the Phoenix park is wide open to an attack,as anyone walking around can see.

And yes i do think Ireland will suffer an attack of some sort from extreme Islam fanatics and i do think the Muslim community here would suffer greatly for it.

Drakares · 09-01-2015 5:26pm

90% of the AH users would form a massive thread telling us it's not the fault of a peaceful loving religion so that the Muslims don't get offended.

Dan_Solo · 09-01-2015 5:30pm

Crooked Jack wrote: »

It was the gardai more so than the PSNI that crushed the RIRA

The collapse of the RIRA was probably more to do with the "disapproval" of SF/IRA than anything else.

Ruu · 09-01-2015 5:31pm

Threads merged.

Mod.

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 5:33pm

MarkY91 wrote: »

i think we would make a mockery of ourselves infront of the world if faced with the paris sutations. (personal opinion)

Hmmm I can think of countries who mad bigger Boo boos.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0105/125995-dorset/

Remember some (unsuspecting) Slovakian guy was travelling to Dublin. Slovak intelligence decided to plant an inert bomb to see how far it would get through the Airport and retrieve it before it left Slovakia. This was done as a test of Slovak Airport securitry evaluation.

However Slovak intelligence never recovered the bomb in time and it travelled the whole way from Bulgaria to Dublin airport and still not detected. Dublin were never warned about the exercise. The EOD cleared it all up tidily and professionally. the Poor guy was treated as a terrorist....

Now that is a fairly embarassing screw up from Start to finish

Son Of A Vidic · 09-01-2015 5:34pm

Training may have improved, but the Gardai have had their fair share of bungled operations where they shot themselves and civilians. The Athy and Abbeyleix debacles being unfortunate examples of this. So I would much prefer to see the elite ARW, take care of all terrorist related matters.

Sunnyisland · 09-01-2015 5:34pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

The collapse of the RIRA was probably more to do with the "disapproval" of SF/IRA than anything else.

Rira had not got that much support of the nationalist people, after omagh it had none.The Rira in Dublin turned into a another solely criminal gang and then was decaptated by another criminal gang with the killing of Alan Ryan ,after which it imploded.

Señor Fancy Pants · 09-01-2015 5:35pm

MarkY91 wrote: »

i think we would make a mockery of ourselves infront of the world if faced with the paris sutations. (personal opinion)

What is your personal opinion based on?

Dyr · 09-01-2015 5:37pm

I'd imagine a lot of people will die and the government will do their best to do nothing about the actual crime but use it as an excuse to give the guards more powers to harass the disso's.

worked for them with the dublin monaghan bombings

The security anoraks will hope the ARW put in an appearance I'd imagine

ACANDROID · 09-01-2015 5:39pm

Pretty sure the Ranger Wing do a lot of training with the GIGN in France, they seem to have just handled that mess quite well. Not sure if this was said but the Ranger Wing are widely regarded as one of the best trained special force units in the world.

Sunnyisland · 09-01-2015 5:50pm

ACANDROID wrote: »

Pretty sure the Ranger Wing do a lot of training with the GIGN in France, they seem to have just handled that mess quite well. Not sure if this was said but the Ranger Wing are widely regarded as one of the best trained special force units in the world.

This is not a dig at our defence forces or Garda.

But where did you read that and who regarded them as the one of the best ?

Practice makes perfect and fortunately or unfortunately our special forces have not had the experience of real time operations,there have been a few instances in Africa last year ?? But otherwise, nothing.

Once again not a dig at our men and women who do a great job as best there allowed.

Jawgap · 09-01-2015 5:51pm

MarkY91 wrote: »

i think we would make a mockery of ourselves infront of the world if faced with the paris sutations. (personal opinion)

I'd say the ERU backed by the ARW would acquit themselves very well.

The 'marauding gunman' scenario is difficult to prevent so it comes down to reaction and I don't doubt that the Guards and Army have a contingency plan(s) and that they train on it.

Dan_Solo · 09-01-2015 5:53pm

realies wrote: »

This is not a dig at our defence forces or Garda.

But where did you read that and who regarded them as the one of the best ?

Probably the same guys who reckon Irish doctors are the best in the world... themselves...

Dan_Solo · 09-01-2015 5:55pm

Jawgap wrote: »

I don't doubt that the Guards and Army have a contingency plan(s) and that they train on it.

What part of anything the Gardai have done over the last 50 years makes you think there'd be any sort of coherent rapid response to a lone gunman massacre?

ACANDROID · 09-01-2015 5:56pm

realies wrote: »

This is not a dig at our defence forces or Garda.

But where did you read that and who regarded them as the one of the best ?

Practice makes perfect and fortunately or unfortunately our special forces have not had the experience of real time operations,there have been a few instances in Africa last year ?? But otherwise, nothing.

Once again not a dig at our men and women who do a great job as best there allowed.

They have won many international contests against the likes of Delta Force, the British and Australian SAS and the german GSG9, the sniper team a couple of years back took gold or silver against other sniper teams from around the world. Google their accolades..

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 5:58pm

realies wrote: »

This is not a dig at our defence forces or Garda.

But where did you read that and who regarded them as the one of the best ?

Practice makes perfect and fortunately or unfortunately our special forces have not had the experience of real time operations,there have been a few instances in Africa last year ?? But otherwise, nothing.

Once again not a dig at our men and women who do a great job as best there allowed.

Oh dear god you are sooo far out of touch. Irish Rangers were first trained in North Carolina at Ranger School. Then there has been plenty of cross training not just with the elite French GIGN (Djubouti), Dutch Marine Kommandos and the SAS. At the European union Special forces competition (combat driving, shooting and absailing to name a few) the Irish came third, read that in An Cosantoir. These boys dont be shiniing their boots all day they earn their living over seas and cross training across Europe and Africa.

Jawgap · 09-01-2015 6:01pm

Dan_Solo wrote: »

What part of anything the Gardai have done over the last 50 years makes you think there'd be any sort of coherent rapid response to a lone gunman massacre?

Because that's what emergency services do - plan for major incident contingencies and train on them.

Since Kenya and Mumbai, the 'marauding gunman' scenario has formed part of European police and security services planning. Given the Guards are members of EuroPol I'd imagine they participate in such planning and develop their own specific planning for here.

Señor Fancy Pants · 09-01-2015 6:09pm

Riiiiiight,

ARW personnel are very well trained. The fact that they are Irish and not regularly deployed or "battle tested" does not take away from the fact. They regularly cross train with other SOF units worldwide. Their tactics, capabilities and roles are very similar.

They have repeatedly performed well in skills competitions against other various international units. These competitions obviously don't compare to actual operational situations, but, none the less are a good indication to their standard. The best in the World? No. Very well trained and capable of dealing with a situation like this? Yes.

The handful of times that they have been used, have been very successful.

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 6:25pm

Truffle Pig wrote: »

These competitions obviously don't compare to actual operational situations, but, none the less are a good indication to their standard. The best in the World? No. Very well trained and capable of dealing with a situation like this? Yes.

The handful of times that they have been used, have been very successful.

Didnt they help arrest Charles Taylor in Liberia? then there are Border Ops we hear very little about. Remember when the Zambian Cadets were training in ireland here about 20 years ago? What do you think we got in return? Then there were WEU missions in the 90's in Bosnia. Just because you dont hear about them doesnt mean there aren't Ops going on.

Señor Fancy Pants · 09-01-2015 6:33pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Didnt they help arrest Charles Taylor in Liberia? then there are Border Ops we hear very little about. Remember when the Zambian Cadets were training in ireland here about 20 years ago? What do you think we got in return? Then there were WEU missions in the 90's in Bosnia. Just because you dont hear about them doesnt mean there aren't Ops going on.

No they didn't help arrest Charles Taylor in Liberia and I know plenty of what goes on man.

DarkyHughes · 09-01-2015 6:36pm

twincamman wrote: »

serious question ..if we ever had a terrorist attack in Ireland similar to paris..do we have the people to deal with it ? as in trained armed people

We were pretty sh!t at stopping the people who blew up 27 innocent Dubliners in May 1974. I don't know if we've got any better at it. The UVF were stopped from a similar bomb attack in 1994 by an IRA man who got shot & killed for it if that counts.

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 6:45pm

DarkyHughes wrote: »

We were pretty sh!t at stopping the people who blew up 27 innocent Dubliners in May 1974. I don't know if we've got any better at it. The UVF were stopped from a similar bomb attack in 1994 by an IRA man who got shot & killed for it if that counts.

In all fairness the UVF had the best training, When Bobby Niraic wasn't running with the Provos one night he was training the UVF the other night..... see the Miami Showband...... guess who was supervising?

DarkyHughes · 09-01-2015 6:51pm

skooterblue2 wrote: »

In all fairness the UVF had the best training, When Bobby Niraic wasn't running with the Provos one night he was training the UVF the other night..... see the Miami Showband...... guess who was supervising?

And Kingsmill according to some. Anyway it was still a half arsed attempt to catch those who did the bombing, probably because they knew of the collusion involved.

skooterblue2 · 09-01-2015 7:02pm

Truffle Pig wrote: »

No they didn't help arrest Charles Taylor in Liberia and I know plenty of what goes on man.

I stand corrected

http://www.politics.ie/forum/defence/118570-irish-army-training-excercise-donegal-didnt-know-they-had-them-3.html

That was hearsay rather than gospel.

Mister Vain · 09-01-2015 7:03pm

The gardai would be too busy shtoping vehicles for shpeeding to notice any terrorist attacks.

demanufactured · 09-01-2015 7:09pm

If we had a terrorist attack here... The first thing the guards would do Is put the kettle on.

JPCN1 · 09-01-2015 7:09pm

Boring username wrote: »

Sadly, it's not a matter of if, but when there is a major terrorist attack in Ireland. It may surprise you to know that Ireland has supplied the highest number of foreign fighters in Syria and Iraq:

independent.ie/irish-news/news/ireland-tops-list-of-jihadi-fighters-in-foreign-wars-30563746.html

Eventually, a radicalised fighter will return to Ireland and carry out an attack here. Ireland, unlike most countries, does not have a dedicated intelligence unit . All monitoring is carried out by the Army intelligence unit, G2, and by the National Surveillance Unit of the Gardai, which operate on a shoestring budget.

I don't think there will be a 'spectacular' type attack with bombs or aircraft, as these type of attacks require a lot of access to dangerous materials and advanced weaponry. Likewise, a location such as an embassy would be too well defended.
But I do think we could well be facing a Mumbai style attack in the coming years, where a small cell of armed individuals attack a remote location such as a school or hospital where they could inflict massive casualties before the authorities had a chance to respond quickly.

Unfortunately, the public seem to have this 'sure we're Irish, it'll be grand' mentality when it comes to the reality of modern Islamic terrorism.

I think you are quite right, we're complacent here. The new Jewish museum better have good security so it doesn't end up like Mumbai where the folk inside were tortured, mutilated horribly and then murdered. We're dealing with a whole new type of evil with some of these guys.

if we ever had a terrorist attack in ireland ??

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