Flightradar24 Thread Part II

Shannon Control

Not too sure. The breaking news website got that info from a post last page.

snubbleste

RT picking up de Indo
www.rt.com/news/329959-istanbul-plane-bomb-threat/

Shannon Control

http://www.flightradar24.com/RYR1/89f15f7 RYR1 inbound to NOC. O'Leary might just open the door and give them the finger then depart again.

EchoIndia

snubbleste wrote: »

RT picking up de Indo
www.rt.com/news/329959-istanbul-plane-bomb-threat/

Indo article gleaned from monitoring ATC and FR24. Low-cost journalism all-round.

JCX BXC

May I ask OP, why did you think Dublin? Was it originally requested by crew or just a mistake?

Pat Dunne

EchoIndia wrote: »

Indo article gleaned from monitoring ATC and FR24. Low-cost journalism all-round.

I don't quite get the point you're making, the sources used by the journalist are very accurate.

The article in my opinion, is in no way sensationalist and portrays a good understanding of the emergency procedures put into place by SNN.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/transatlantic-jet-makes-emergency-landing-at-shannon-amid-bomb-threat-34391491.html

Transatlantic jet makes emergency landing at Shannon amid bomb threat
Pat Flynn

A transatlantic passenger jet made an emergency landing at Shannon this morning following a bomb threat
Turkish Airlines flight TK-34 departed Houston, Texas at 9.07pm local time on Saturday (4.07am Irish time Sunday) and was due in Istanbul, Turkey at around 3.45pm Irish time.
There were 227 passengers and crew on board the Boeing 777-300 jet.
It's understood that the crew became aware of the bomb threat after a written note was discovered on board. The crew informed their operations centre who in turn alerted authorities in Ireland.
The pilot requested permission to divert and land at Shannon and was cleared to reroute to the mid west airport.
With the flight still almost two hours from Shannon, the airports emergency plan was put into action.
Units of the local authority fire service from Shannon and Ennis were sent to the airport as back up to the airport's own fire and rescue service. Ambulances from Ennis and Limerick were also mobilised along with Gardaí.
The Irish Coast Guard was also alerted to the incident and placed the RNLI lifeboat based at Kilrush on standby until the flight had safely crossed the west coast.
At around. 10.20am Irish time, the crew made radio contact with controllers at the Irish Aviation Authority's North Atlantic Communications Centre at Ballygirreen in Co Clare.
The crew issued a Pan-Pan distressed call and requested permission to dump fuel over the Atlantic to ensure they touched down within safe landing weight levels.
The flight landed safely at around 11.02am.

Calina

EchoIndia wrote: »

Indo article gleaned from monitoring ATC and FR24. Low-cost journalism all-round.

I'd tend to disagree with this. Did you want them to go down to Shannon and into an ATC tower itself or what?

Shannon757

Anyone going out to see it?

highlydebased

https://twitter.com/S118869/status/691239180593049601

JCX BXC

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Hopefully another costly hoax.

Can anyone tell me why the plane will only be inspected after its actual time to land in Istanbul will have passed?

This is the quote from Breaking News....

The jet will then remain parked until its scheduled flight time to Istanbul elapses. Authorities will then inspect the aircraft and speak to the crew.

In my head I imagine the tip may have added that the bomb will go off before it reaches Istanbul or something like that, so its on a timer. After the arrival time has passed any timer will likely have expired.

sharkman

Carnacalla wrote: »

May I ask OP, why did you think Dublin? Was it originally requested by crew or just a mistake?

I believe Dub was requested by crew, then changed to SNN around 10.15 .

Locker10a

EIN911 just went around at NOC ! Is there weather there ?

Shannon Control

20 knot crosswind so a bit of a breeze alright. Nothing drastic.

EDIT: Metar hadn't updated for me, apologies.

JCX BXC

ATC wind 180 degrees 23kts G 31kts. If windshear was also present then it's well enough to make it unstable.

coffeepls

Locker10a wrote: »

EIN911 just went around at NOC ! Is there weather there ?

It's down now. Can you imagine the gazillion Hail Marys said on that flight.

cgill

Locker10a wrote:

EIN911 just went around at NOC ! Is there weather there ?

Go around was due to a windshear warning

highlydebased

Turkish expected to get motoring again from Shannon shortly

sjb25

Some pics from the ramp at Shannon earlier

https://www.facebook.com/www.fireireland.com2015/posts/1049728221756032

flanzer

Jesus, these airline bomb warnings (written, phone, e-mail etc) are doing my t!ts in. IS don't do warnings FFS. At least with most of the IRA ones, they had the some courtesy to call it in. The IS/al-Qaeda ones are unfortunately intelligence led

fr336

Gardai have an armed response unit? Did not expect that considering the posts I've read on Boards before!!

JCX BXC

fr336 wrote: »

Gardai have an armed response unit? Did not expect that considering the posts I've read on Boards before!!

If ya ever get a chance to watch RTE News you will hear it. At this stage I can hear the news reader saying "The Garda Armed Response Unit"

EchoIndia

Calina wrote: »

I'd tend to disagree with this. Did you want them to go down to Shannon and into an ATC tower itself or what?

I fully agree about the accuracy of the report, which appears to be from a freelance journalist. What I think this shows, though, is that the media are increasingly offering no real added value over what the lay person can find out from the same primary sources. It's interesting that the two sites I saw (Indo and Irish Times) carried essentially the same report and the bit that was up to the media organisation to address, a photo of a TK aircraft, came up with an A321 and 737 respectively, even though the text specifically said it was a 777-300. Not a major issue for the lay reader but indicative of the lack of much specialist knowledge within media organisations, certainly where aviation is concerned.

fr336

Carnacalla wrote: »

If ya ever get a chance to watch RTE News you will hear it. At this stage I can hear the news reader saying "The Garda Armed Response Unit"

Did you listen back to any of the ATC? The 08:30 stream of Shannon higher doesn't work.

sjb25

fr336 wrote: »

Gardai have an armed response unit? Did not expect that considering the posts I've read on Boards before!!

Here's one of them showing of the gear they have

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBLaST44oY

_dof_

I see from the track of the Turkish plane that on the approach to Shannon it overflew Ennis at around 5000 feet. Surely a plane with a possible bomb on board should avoid overflying populated areas as much as possible?

Gaoth Laidir

_dof_ wrote: »

I see from the track of the Turkish plane that on the approach to Shannon it overflew Ennis at around 5000 feet. Surely a plane with a possible bomb on board should avoid overflying populated areas as much as possible?

Yes, they should have ditched in the sea just to be sure.

_dof_

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Yes, they should have ditched in the sea just to be sure.

Well clearly I meant for the plane to track a couple of miles north or south of the town in the admittedly unlikely event that there was a bomb on board, but thanks for the feedback.

JCX BXC

The route over Ennis seems to be standard for transatlantic traffic coming in from whatever waypoint is there out in the Atlantic. Suppose in a potential emergency situation there's a lot to be worrying about and following the standard routing is probably the most convenient. I understand and agree with your point though. If there's reasonable room to avoid populated areas, why not avoid them? When you compare it to the approach to say LHR its nothing but surely any risk that can be avoided should be avoided.

Shannon Control

From the crew's point of view, if you potentially have a timed bomb on board, the last thing you want to do is add track miles. Nonetheless, I see your point.

pepe the prawn

Stobart enroute to Kerry using one of their new ATR's, EI-FMJ. Normally see one of the older and smaller ATR's doing this route, either EI-CBK or EI-EHH. Nice bonus for the pax to be on a brand new machine

JCX BXC

pepe the prawn wrote: »

Stobart enroute to Kerry using one of their new ATR's, EI-FMJ. Normally see one of the older and smaller ATR's doing this route, either EI-CBK or EI-EHH. Nice bonus for the pax to be on a brand new machine

As of late Kerry has been getting a lot of upgrades. Once upon a time it would always be the -42, then the -72-200 started making a few apperences, now its almost always the -72-200 or -72-600.

pepe the prawn

Carnacalla wrote: »

As of late Kerry has been getting a lot of upgrades. Once upon a time it would always be the -42, then the -72-200 started making a few apperences, now its almost always the -72-200 or -72-600.

Yes, maybe the route is becoming more popular thus necessitating the larger capacity aircraft. Or maybe the -42 series machines are needed elsewhere.. Either way, nice to see Kerry getting a new machine on the route for a change.

Edit: according to FR24, EHH positioned to Southend in the last few days, perhaps being practically unliveried it better serves a Flybe route on the other side of the pond as opposed to an Aer Lingus liveried machine.

EchoIndia

_dof_ wrote: »

I see from the track of the Turkish plane that on the approach to Shannon it overflew Ennis at around 5000 feet. Surely a plane with a possible bomb on board should avoid overflying populated areas as much as possible?

The aircraft was being radar-vectored by ATC and flew a standard downwind leg before being turned, again under radar direction, to join the ILS for runway 24. This is not VFR flying, with navigation according to ground landmarks. You have to remember too that the landing was precautionary rather than predicated on a definitive existence of a device.

_dof_

_dof_ wrote: »

I see from the track of the Turkish plane that on the approach to Shannon it overflew Ennis at around 5000 feet. Surely a plane with a possible bomb on board should avoid overflying populated areas as much as possible?

They'd never land if they kept having to avoid every town and village on the way in. Yes probably not the wisest to vector directly over Ennis but do you then sacrifice a smaller village but have the same total number of deaths of something was to happen.

_dof_

Thanks all for the feedback.

EchoIndia wrote: »

The aircraft was being radar-vectored by ATC and flew a standard downwind leg before being turned, again under radar direction, to join the ILS for runway 24. This is not VFR flying, with navigation according to ground landmarks.

Yep, I know they're not flying VFR, but ATC know where Ennis is, so they could have that built into the procedure for routing a "high risk" flight a mile north or south of the town.

They'd never land if they kept having to avoid every town and village on the way in. Yes probably not the wisest to vector directly over Ennis but do you then sacrifice a smaller village but have the same total number of deaths of something was to happen.

Well I meant major population centres, and apart from Limerick, Ennis is the major population centre in the area with around 20k people.

I was just thinking what would happen in the worst case, if there was a bomb which exploded as the plane was approaching the overflight of Ennis and showered the town with bits of 777. There would be a lot more deaths on the ground than if it happened over a smaller village or open countryside.

Of course there are valid reasons (some mentioned above) for not deviating from standard arrival procedures that would be available to the crew in their FMC, especially as it is for an airport that they would probably not be familiar with.

Or course if the worst happened, there would be uproar in the media for overflying Ennis, I don't know if the AAIU report would recommend changing the routing though, especially if it added track miles.

Bussywussy

The perpetrator probably owned up when they realised they landed in Shannon

Pat Dunne

EchoIndia wrote: »

I fully agree about the accuracy of the report, which appears to be from a freelance journalist. What I think this shows, though, is that the media are increasingly offering no real added value over what the lay person can find out from the same primary sources. It's interesting that the two sites I saw (Indo and Irish Times) carried essentially the same report and the bit that was up to the media organisation to address, a photo of a TK aircraft, came up with an A321 and 737 respectively, even though the text specifically said it was a 777-300. Not a major issue for the lay reader but indicative of the lack of much specialist knowledge within media organisations, certainly where aviation is concerned.

Can I ask you the following question, how many "lay people" do you think would be looking at FR24, whilst listening to Liveatc.net, on an average Sunday morning?

Please remember that we aviation enthusiasts are very much a minorty and that we have the necessary insight and knowledge of the various resources available to obtain this type of information very rapidly. The average "lay person" as you put it, does not!

I say "fair play" to Pat Flynn the accredited reporter, for putting a very good and factual report together.

JCX BXC

EI-DEO (IRFU livery plane) inbound SNN from Treviso with the Munster Rugby team.

SEPT 23 1989

Do plane bombers usually write notes?

JCX BXC

According to RTE News it was a piece of paper with bomb written on it. Was likely to be nothing, but you have to take every risk seriously.

Shannon757

Pat Dunne wrote: »

Can I ask you the following question, how many "lay people" do you think would be looking at FR24, whilst listening to Liveatc.net, on an average Sunday morning?

Please remember that we aviation enthusiasts are very much a minorty and that we have the necessary insight and knowledge of the various resources available to obtain this type of information very rapidly. The average "lay person" as you put it, does not!

I say "fair play" to Pat Flynn the accredited reporter, for putting a very good and factual report together.

1. I agree Pat Flynn is great at these reports.
2.Do you know how many looks you'd get for being an aviation enthusiast? I don't know about Dublin but in Shannon I get so many looks for taking pictures of planes. At a bloody airport!

JCX BXC

Its awful at Shannon. Even in the bloody designated area I get people look at me funny for stepping out of the car when there's one on approach.

Shannon757

Carnacalla wrote: »

Its awful at Shannon. Even in the bloody designated area I get people look at me funny for stepping out of the car when there's one on approach.

The one beside Lufthansa technik or the veiewing gallery in the terminal? On a side note, the viewing gallery was closed today. Wonder why?

JCX BXC

Wouldn't want to be driving into the one in the terminal!

Half the time the reason it's closed is the staff forget to open the door.

Shannon757

Carnacalla wrote: »

Wouldn't want to be driving into the one in the terminal!

Half the time the reason it's closed is the staff forget to open the door.

Never closed any other day I'd been there.

JCX BXC

Shannon757 wrote: »

Never closed any other day I'd been there.

Happened me twice last year I just went to the information desk and asked them to open the door.

Negative_G

I've personally never understood the attraction of 'spotting'. I've had an interest in aviation since I was young but the thought of spending several hours at an airport taking photos and noting registrations never appealed to me as a hobby.

I'd be genuinely interested to hear what people like or enjoy most about this particular hobby.

JCX BXC

I wouldn't be a major spotted, couldn't spend more than an hour and I don't take any notes or anything. Just watching the amazing machine land and take off and fly is fascinating to me. Such a good product of Innovation.

It's like a few of the friends I have spend hours on Done Deal every evening looking at Cars. It would drive me besurk but they seem to find it interesting

Pat Dunne

Anyone having trouble with either the FR24 app or website loading?

Growler!!!

Carnacalla wrote: »

Its awful at Shannon. Even in the bloody designated area I get people look at me funny for stepping out of the car when there's one on approach.

Depends on the time you are there. It's known as "the back of the airport" by the locals and it's a euphonium used similar to the modern "Netflix and chill":D