Will Petrol be coming down here in Ireland?

gsi300024v

I find it interesting what this price of petrol does to world politics, Putin is under the gun, they get so much of there finances from oil, he's actually having to soften his stance on Ukraine to try not have anymore sanctions placed upon the country. The Russian currency has taken a massive drop too against the dollar.

Gavman84

I filled up in Ballincollig last night for 124.9 so not all garages in Cork are taking the mick at least! 57 to fill the focus long may it last!

gsi300024v

How does it work for garages, so the price of crude goes down, does the price of petrol supplied to garages instantly go down or is there a time delay, so lets say crude oil was the same price for 12 months and taxes in Eire stayed the same, and in one week crude dropped 20%, how long before we'd see lower savings at the pumps?

serious3

1.33.9 in clifden still

gsi300024v

Gavman84 wrote: »

I filled up in Ballincollig last night for 124.9 so not all garages in Cork are taking the mick at least! 57 to fill the focus long may it last!

If I bought my petrol at this price, I'd save about 20 euro per fill up compared to the highest price I paid of 1,69 back 2 years ago.
Nice saving I'd grateful for!

gsi300024v

Gavman84 wrote: »

I filled up in Ballincollig last night for 124.9 so not all garages in Cork are taking the mick at least! 57 to fill the focus long may it last!

If I bought my petrol at this price, I'd save about 20 euro per fill up compared to the highest price I paid of 1,69 back 2 years ago.
Nice saving I'm grateful for!

Cleveland Hot Pocket

gsi300024v wrote: »

But if we cut the dole to 100 euro in the morning, while we'd have more people looking for jobs we wouldn't have more jobs out there, that is all I am saying. I do know some people who retired to go on the dole, I totally disagree with this. It's there as a support if you can't find a job or are retraining to find a job.
I suppose it depends what you call rich, I'm not laughing, just saying I'd not class people on the dole as rich, they've not probably sending kids to private school not buying new cars. Should they be let spend some of it in the pub?
Would you like to be on the dole and told where you can and can't spend your money.
I suppose too, turkey's don't vote for Christmas, no one things they themselves should make more of a contribution, we all point to someone else.
I was in a class before where the lecturer was saying how a company manger said he couldn't understand why the staff wouldn't take a 20% cut in salaries to keep the company a float. But the company owner didn't understand that for some they'd not be able to survive on 20% less so there was no point agreeing to it.
It's easy to say dole is too high with all the add ons so people are not motivated to get off it and find a job.
But look at actual cases, a friend was on the dole, he was not in the pub, was finding it hard to make ends meet as it was, he was offered a job that by the time he added in petrol he would be 20 euro a week worse off, he was already finding it hard to pay his was, how can he go back to work for that job? He can't use 20% less gas and electricity, eat 20% less, use 20% less petrol.
There was a very interesting piece on tv before, they simply asked who should pay more tax, everyone agreed the rich should pay more, but when they asked people from different salary brackets who were the rich, even those on 150,000 sterling didn't consider themselves rich.
What do long term JSA recipients offer the country? Is this not going down the lines of if you don't offer anything you are not welcome here? My mother has not worked in 25 years, she was a full time mother, we're all grown and moved on, she paid very little tax but will get a pension, she is not on the dole but is also offering nothing, should we ask her to leave?

I just think there is an ill-informed view of the dole, the vast majority would love to have a job and not feel ****ty collecting it and signing on every week. You'll always have some lazy people, some though are just not skilled enough to get what is going.
I spoke to a bloke once who was hoping to be a senator one day in the usa, his kids were given 50k a year education, he thought why can't people just get a job, I tried to say it is a different world for those on the bottom then those like his kids at the top, they can't use connections or are not educated enough.
I suppose to put it simply, if we stopped TD's taking no more then their salary and we kicked off the dole anyone who'd been on it more than a year, it would not change in my opinion the state of our countries finances that much.
It would not mean we could lower the rate of tax instantly.
If we'd no people on the dole we'd be screwed a bit too, who'd take up the new jobs we're creating.

This is the motors forum. It is not the place to be doling out advice on the economy. I don't think it benefits the forum and I think we could all afford to do without this focus.
I understand that this was a taxing issue to write that post so I appreciate the allowance you have taken, but as I said think - it benefits no-one.

YbFocus wrote: »

Jesus lads this isn't the place for that.

I paid 1.30 for petrol last night. It's not overly cheap near me!

Yeah it seems only cheap/cheaper in certain places.

Worth noting that imo 1.20 odd per litre (while cheaper than it was) is not cheap.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

gsi300024v wrote: »

If I bought my petrol at this price, I'd save about 20 euro per fill up compared to the highest price I paid of 1,69 back 2 years ago.
Nice saving I'd grateful for!

gsi300024v wrote: »

If I bought my petrol at this price, I'd save about 20 euro per fill up compared to the highest price I paid of 1,69 back 2 years ago.
Nice saving I'm grateful for!

Echooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

listermint

The ESB and the rest will be on shortly offering price cuts for their 6 months worth of massive falls in costs.... im sure....

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mrolaf

I've noticed its less to fill my tank now

Pov06

The prices have come down a decent amount to be fair. I remember petrol being as high as 1.60 euro/litre... Shocking prices.

Foxhole Norman

Only took me €58 to fill from a 1/4 of a tank instead of €75, nice saving there since it was 1.54 odd!

gsi300024v

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

This is the motors forum. It is not the place to be doling out advice on the economy. I don't think it benefits the forum and I think we could all afford to do without this focus.
I understand that this was a taxing issue to write that post so I appreciate the allowance you have taken, but as I said think - it benefits no-one.


Yeah it seems only cheap/cheaper in certain places.

Worth noting that imo 1.20 odd per litre (while cheaper than it was) is not cheap.

It is not the place to be doling out advice on the economy. I love the pun!!!!!
Yeah you are right, it's fun but not the right place.

gsi300024v

If you want a shock, I remember in Finland petrol was a good 30 cent more than here. But then I did get 1000kms from my 2 litre petrol 1998 omega. No traffic and straight roads we need not lower fuel prices.

Jesus.

Pov06 wrote: »

The prices have come down a decent amount to be fair. I remember petrol being as high as 1.60 euro/litre... Shocking prices.

Think it was up at 1.70 at one point

Jesus.

gsi300024v wrote: »

Because I'd see the government as taking our money to spend and share out among us. So while more is been taken off us, more is than there to be shared out among us.
So I suppose I would take calling it as being ripped off as not really true. We could say as motorist we'd prefer if we hadn't quite so much taken off us. But it's not like the money is taken and we see no benefit from it.

I think when you add in the ludicrous motor tax rates, people get annoyed at being one of the dearest Countries for Motoring in the World.

pa990

Going OT here, but Kerosene is going up by 2c tonight, presumably because of the falling euro (but brent is still dropping ?)

so i wouldn't be surprised if petrol/diesel saw a little increase as well





Prices ex-vat


Company Date Unleaded Diesel
Campus 13/01 111.23 109.75
ConPhil 13/01 100.31 98.30
Topaz 10/01 110.17 109.60
Esso 12/01 109.05 107.35
Texaco 13/01 109.09 107.49
Maxol 09/01 110.17 109.39
Emo 13/01 112.79 112.06
Morris 13/01 108.93 108.38
Top 13/01 109.85 109.54

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Where is that? Those prices are a bit cheaper than normal

gsi300024v

Jesus. wrote: »

I think when you add in the ludicrous motor tax rates, people get annoyed at being one of the dearest Countries for Motoring in the World.

In Canada you have to pay tax on selling second hand cars too, ~I heard another place can't remember where, but there is a 150% tax on new cars I think it's Singapore, do really just assume that everything in Ireland is ****?

Alanstrainor

gsi300024v wrote: »

In Canada you have to pay tax on selling second hand cars too, ~I heard another place can't remember where, but there is a 150% tax on new cars I think it's Singapore, do really just assume that everything in Ireland is ****?

Let's not have this discussion here please.

gsi300024v

Sorry

tom_tarbucket

pa990 wrote: »

Going OT here, but Kerosene is going up by 2c tonight, presumably because of the falling euro (but brent is still dropping ?)

so i wouldn't be surprised if petrol/diesel saw a little increase as well








Company Date Unleaded Diesel
Campus 13/01 111.23 109.75
ConPhil 13/01 100.31 98.30
Topaz 10/01 110.17 109.60
Esso 12/01 109.05 107.35
Texaco 13/01 109.09 107.49
Maxol 09/01 110.17 109.39
Emo 13/01 112.79 112.06
Morris 13/01 108.93 108.38
Top 13/01 109.85 109.54

what country is this from ?

pa990

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

Where is that? Those prices are a bit cheaper than normal

ex vat prices. (i've amended my post to reflect that )
Obviously bulk buying gets it cheaper for the petrol stations, but its a good indicator as to the trend of prices

pa990

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

what country is this from ?

Ireland

see above post

tom_tarbucket

pa990 wrote: »

Ireland

see above post

ok have ya now, but for the average Joe, no point in posting ex vat prices, we want the true picture.

pa990

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

ok have ya now, but for the average Joe, no point in posting ex vat prices, we want the true picture.

I've posted those weekly prices before,
This time I just forgot to put the ex vat bit in.

Jesus.

pa990 wrote: »

Prices ex-vat

Company Date Unleaded Diesel
Campus 13/01 111.23 109.75
ConPhil 13/01 100.31 98.30
Topaz 10/01 110.17 109.60
Esso 12/01 109.05 107.35
Texaco 13/01 109.09 107.49
Maxol 09/01 110.17 109.39
Emo 13/01 112.79 112.06
Morris 13/01 108.93 108.38
Top 13/01 109.85 109.54

Why would you post these prices ex-VAT, Pa?

Bandara

Jesus. wrote: »

Why would you post these prices ex-VAT, Pa?

Because he's taken it from the Platts Index which is ex vat due to it being trade prices

And for todays gold star award who can spot the big disparity with all these cost prices?

tom_tarbucket

I think a while back petrol was always 10 cent dearer than diesel.

This gap seems to be getting smaller. in a maxol today, there was only 6 cent of a difference.

Foxhole Norman

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I think a while back petrol was always 10 cent dearer than diesel.

This gap seems to be getting smaller. in a maxol today, there was only 6 cent of a difference.

I saw a Maxol today with only a 4c difference, ours has a 6 difference.

tom_tarbucket

Foxhole Norman wrote: »

I saw a Maxol today with only a 4c difference, ours has a 6 difference.

interesting.
I wonder will the price of diesel ever overtake petrol here in Ireland.

_Jumper_

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

interesting.
I wonder will the price of diesel ever overtake petrol here in Ireland.

It did years back.

Gael23

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

interesting.
I wonder will the price of diesel ever overtake petrol here in Ireland.

It used to be more and then the haulage companies kicked up so duty on it was reduced. That wasn't very many years ago.

gsi300024v

I was reading something on why the Saudi's won't cut back on production to push the price up like they did before, one reason, they did before and lost market share, another, low price means Russian and Iran in the ****s, Saudi not big fans of these. Another is possibly that with low prices it help there be a lack of research into new ways to get the harder more expensive oil out of the ground.
What happened to that popular notion of peak oil?

Cleveland Hot Pocket

gsi300024v wrote: »

I was reading something on why the Saudi's won't cut back on production to push the price up like they did before, one reason, they did before and lost market share, another, low price means Russian and Iran in the ****s, Saudi not big fans of these. Another is possibly that with low prices it help there be a lack of research into new ways to get the harder more expensive oil out of the ground.
What happened to that popular notion of peak oil?

It's still going to happen.
Just not yet apparantly.

jimgoose

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

It's still going to happen.
Just not yet apparantly.

Sometime between now and 2030 apparently, with some arguing that "conventional" light-and-sweet has already peaked.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

jimgoose wrote: »

Sometime between now and 2030 apparently, with some arguing that "conventional" light-and-sweet has already peaked.

I must admit that I thought peak oil had happened in 2010 when prices kept rising and rising, but recent events have proven me wrong.
It must be remembered that the gross cost before tax is approximately 40-45 cents per litre - so we are nowhere near peak oil yet. Adjusted for inflation I would say that we currently are at a cheap ebb (pretax).

Caliden

gsi300024v wrote: »

I was reading something on why the Saudi's won't cut back on production to push the price up like they did before, one reason, they did before and lost market share, another, low price means Russian and Iran in the ****s, Saudi not big fans of these. Another is possibly that with low prices it help there be a lack of research into new ways to get the harder more expensive oil out of the ground.
What happened to that popular notion of peak oil?

The Saudi's will only do what suits themselves, hurting Iran/Russia is a side effect.

They're lowering the price so it makes U.S. shale oil less profitable to the point of them losing money to extract it.

Once that point is reached the supply will be reduced again and the price will go up.

Jesus.

They gave me one of those points cards in the petrol station yesterday.

Are they worth using or are you better off just continuing to shop around?

pa990

Jesus. wrote: »

They gave me one of those points cards in the petrol station yesterday.

Are they worth using or are you better off just continuing to shop around?

I use the Topaz points card, for the work vehicles, so i get my free gift every month.

But for my own cars and bikes, i use a fuel card for ESSO , from my credit union that gives 4c off a litre. no clubcard type point there.

Topaz petrol can be a few cents more expensive per litre, so if you need 200 points for a free coffee and pastry.. how much extra have you spent on 200 L to get that free gift ?

Bandara

FYI

Unleaded wholesale prices have been going up everyday since last Friday.

gsi300024v

So fill up now if we want to pinch the pennies?

Bandara

gsi300024v wrote: »

So fill up now if we want to pinch the pennies?

No tbh the signs are that it will start falling again from Friday, yes fill up anyway as its at a very low pricepoint anyway so your still ahead !

Its very volatile, we only get half a days notice of increases or decreases

Seweryn

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I must admit that I thought peak oil had happened in 2010 when prices kept rising and rising, but recent events have proven me wrong.
It must be remembered that the gross cost before tax is approximately 40-45 cents per litre - so we are nowhere near peak oil yet. Adjusted for inflation I would say that we currently are at a cheap ebb (pretax).

We may have peaked already or the peak may well be in near future. We will know that it happened about a decade after the peak.

pa990

as of 19/1/15

Company Unleaded Diesel
Campus 112.19 110.62
ConPhil 101.44 99.38
Topaz 109.80 109.07
Esso 109.85 107.95
Texaco 110.17 108.49
Maxol 109.58 108.57
Emo 113.75 111.80
Morris 109.90 109.24
Top 110.82 110.41

exc vat

Cleveland Hot Pocket

I think the question is, where is conphil?

pa990

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I think the question is, where is conphil?

Conaco-Philips, that's the refinery in Whitegate, cork

Special Circumstances

Cleveland Hot Pocket wrote: »

I think the question is, where is conphil?

TBH, I don't know what I'm looking at apart from a list of numbers and names.
Ex VAT prices available where, and to whom?
Price the average station pays per litre to fill their forecourt tank?
Price at mystery location X before distribution costs?
Price ( before VAT) the average punter would get if he went to mystery location X with a suitable container?

Preset No.3

In Florida at the moment. Regular unleaded is $1.96 a gallon.

Jesus.

Preset No.3 wrote: »

In Florida at the moment. Regular unleaded is $1.96 a gallon.

Works out at 0.45 Euro per liter. Near enough to one third the price of here.