Best EPL goalkeeper

GavRedKing

Quazzie wrote: »

Why did Szcz win the Golden glove ahead of De Gea last year so?

He shared it with cech who played less games.

Quazzie

Will I Amnt wrote: »

You serious? Arsenal won the most games to nil.

But De Gea is still so much better than him yea? The gap isn't as big as you think. De Gea is massively overrated due to some good PR by Sky.

GavRedKing wrote: »

He shared it with cech who played less games.

But Szcz was benched the last game which he would've kept a clean sheet so there are arguments for both side.

Will I Amnt

Quazzie wrote: »

But De Gea is still so much better than him yea? The gap isn't as big as you think. De Gea is massively overrated due to some good PR by Sky.



But Szcz was benched the last game which he would've kept a clean sheet so there are arguments for both side.

Hilarious how simplistic you're being. Stick Szczesney in that United team last season and see how close he gets to the golden glove. A slap in the gob with a rubber glove would be about the height of it.

GavRedKing

Quazzie wrote: »

But De Gea is still so much better than him yea? The gap isn't as big as you think. De Gea is massively overrated due to some good PR by Sky.

But Szcz was benched the last game which he would've kept a clean sheet so there are arguments for both side.

There was 2 clean sheets in the last 4 league games that cech missed too.

Blatter

It's not 2011 anymore lads. De Gea's command of the box has improved dramatically. It's very rare that you'll see him flap at a high ball these days and he comes out to collect plenty of crosses. Not as many as Neuer or Courtois but they're freaks in that aspect.

Quazzie

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Hilarious how simplistic you're being. Stick Szczesney in that United team last season and see how close he gets to the golden glove. A slap in the gob with a rubber glove would be about the height of it.

Says it all really. :rolleyes:

Will I Amnt

Quazzie wrote: »

Says it all really. :rolleyes:

It does yeah, I wasn't wide of the mark at all when I asked if you thought Szczeney was better, there's a part of you that wants to say he is

Timmyctc

Quazzie wrote: »

Says it all really. :rolleyes:

I love how offended you seemed when Will asked if you thought Szcz was better than De Gea, then you go on to basically say you think he is on par with De Gea. DdG is lightyears better than Szcz and if we're going off Conor74's flawless logic above, Szcz made a howler in the past year therefore is a crap keeper or something.

shrewdness

To say that De Gea never comes off his line or is still uncomfortable under crosses is pure nonsense. Courtois is ahead of him in these areas, but De Gea has improved immeasurably since he joined, I'd never have any fears in those situations now.

I couldn't care less if he looks a bit slight. Van Der Sar had a lanky sort of build but it never did him any harm. De Gea has put on alot of lean muscle in the last few years and is alot stronger now.

Quazzie

Will I Amnt wrote: »

It does yeah, I wasn't wide of the mark at all when I asked if you thought Szczeney was better, there's a part of you that wants to say he is

I'd like to say he is, and in some aspects he is, like I said. Overall though he isn't but the gap isn't anywhere near as big as you make out. And looking at the poll results so far you're not alone in buying into the hype. De Gea is not at the same level as Courtois, and to have the results so close is embarrassing for the forum.

Timmyctc

Quazzie wrote: »

I'd like to say he is, and in some aspects he is, like I said. Overall though he isn't but the gap isn't anywhere near as big as you make out. And looking at the poll results so far you're not alone in buying into the hype. De Gea is not at the same level as Courtois, and to have the results so close is embarrassing for the forum.

David De Gea is on another planet to Szcz, a planet where people know how to tend goal decently.

To have the results so close is accurately representing how closely talented the two players are. But people will chalk that down to Moar united fans than smart fans or something.

Quazzie

Timmyctc wrote: »

David De Gea is on another planet to Szcz, a planet where people know how to tend goal decently.

Keepers are allowed use the whole box. De Gea can't. Simple as. Over rated by many, no more than here by the looks of it.

Will I Amnt

Quazzie wrote: »

Over rated by many, no more than here by the looks of it.

When so many others have a differing opinion to you, it usually means you're wrong,

smileyj1987

Quazzie wrote: »

Keepers are allowed use the whole box. De Gea can't. Simple as. Over rated by many, no more than here by the looks of it.

DDG is twice the keeper the arsenal one is !!
Once DDG bulks up and fixes his weakness at corners then there is no reason he couldn't become the best in the world .

Timmyctc

Quazzie wrote: »

Keepers are allowed use the whole box. De Gea can't. Simple as. Over rated by many, no more than here by the looks of it.

I love how you acted as if you werent rating Sczc and others more highly than the joint best keeper in the PL.

Ludo

ADRIAN...definitely ADRIAN

Quazzie

Timmyctc wrote: »

I love how you acted as if you werent rating Sczc and others more highly than the joint best keeper in the PL.

Joint best keeper in the EPL???

When did I say I rate Szcz higher than anyone? Please point me to where I stated that. If you can't then please stop putting words in my mouth in an attempt to further your own agenda.

Bobby Baccala

Szczesny is a good keeper, unfortunately his shíte performance against Southampton is gonna follow him around for a while now. I wouldn't put him above de gea or courtois or Cech anyway.

Lloris is one of the most over rated keepers in the league imo.

Timmyctc

Quazzie wrote: »

Joint best keeper in the EPL???

When did I say I rate Szcz higher than anyone? Please point me to where I stated that. If you can't then please stop putting words in my mouth in an attempt to further your own agenda.

Joint best. It means like tied-best. Imply the title is shared with another.

Ah look tbh, your opinion is more retarded than the dialogue in a porno.

I'm off anyways to further my agenda and convince young children that De Gea is a capable goalkeeper.. Peace.

KingdomYid

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Szczesny is a good keeper, unfortunately his shíte performance against Southampton is gonna follow him around for a while now. I wouldn't put him above de gea or courtois or Cech anyway.

Lloris is one of the most over rated keepers in the league imo.

Can't agree with you there, watching Lloris week in week out and he is a top class keeper who is right up there with the best in the league imo.

Am sure Arsenal would love a keeper of his calibre.

fozz10

smileyj1987 wrote: »

DDG is twice the keeper the arsenal one is !!
Once DDG bulks up and fixes his weakness at corners then there is no reason he couldn't become the best in the world .

yes there is... neur, cech, courtuois. Thats just tough for him Im afraid. he is not in the same league as those three. people forget also how good cech is. he is one of the main reasons chelsea won the trophies they one, especially UCL. also he is at least as good as courtouis probably slightly better, but chelsea had to make a decision based on age really.

Quazzie

Timmyctc wrote: »

Joint best. It means like tied-best. Imply the title is shared with another.

Ah look tbh, your opinion is more retarded than the dialogue in a porno.

I'm off anyways to further my agenda and convince young children that De Gea is a capable goalkeeper.. Peace.

[YOUTUBEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5mI407Uks4[/YOUTUBE]

Demonstrates the level of your intelligence really.

Dirty Steve

Poll needs more Brad Jones.

Frankie Lee

Guzan is very under rated, mistakes are very rare, commands his area as good as anyone in the league, excellent shot stopper and distribution is well above average. If it wasn't for him in the last couple of seasons Villa would have been relegated. I'd have him as a top 6 goalkeeper.

Bobby Baccala

KingdomYid wrote: »

Can't agree with you there, watching Lloris week in week out and he is a top class keeper who is right up there with the best in the league imo.

Am sure Arsenal would love a keeper of his calibre.

You know what I retract my statement, Joe Hart is the most over rated keeper in the league

Flincher

Lloris is definitely one of my favourite keepers of all time.

You'll always find a keeper to command the area like Courtois, make one-on-one saves like de Gea, distribution like Reina, but you'll never find another keeper to match Lloris in the most vital of all goalkeeping qualities.

Nonchalance.

SantryRed

Timmyctc wrote: »

David De Gea is on another planet to Szcz, a planet where people know how to tend goal decently.

To have the results so close is accurately representing how closely talented the two players are. But people will chalk that down to Moar united fans than smart fans or something.

that is the the reason though. Yes, De Gea is supremely talented, but Courtois is up there in the same conversation as Neuer. De Gea isn't yet. He could make it there though.

dfx-

Lloris for me

Al Capwned

Yes I'm biased, but I voted for de Gea.

Truthfully, there is very little between him and Courtois, and you'd hve to be happy with having either one. I'd imagine a lot of peoples selections are based on club loyalty (or club rivalry?) but it very hard separate the two.

But I just love DDG.

Bridge93

Sorry if I'm wrong but has Szczesny not been dropped a couple of times this year including last weekend? 11 players ahead of him in the poll too with only two votes. There's a fair bit between him and De Gea and I don't support either team.
I don't think its close at all.

Bobby Baccala

Bridge93 wrote: »

Sorry if I'm wrong but has Szczesny not been dropped a couple of times this year including last weekend? 11 players ahead of him in the poll too with only two votes. There's a fair bit between him and De Gea and I don't support either team.
I don't think its close at all.

Yeah he's been dropped for our 2nd choice David Ospina, who I think should keep his spot for a few matches.

Giggsy11

Blatter wrote: »

It's not 2011 anymore lads. De Gea's command of the box has improved dramatically. It's very rare that you'll see him flap at a high ball these days and he comes out to collect plenty of crosses. Not as many as Neuer or Courtois but they're freaks in that aspect.

Easy to see who makes posts without watching him play at all and goes by what media fed couple of years back.

His catching has improved so much, not only when it comes to crossing but also from long shots. He just catches them.

Also didn't Neville showed some stat where it shows he catches around 83%?

dfx-

dfx- wrote: »

Lloris for me

Excellent keeper.

Cantona's Collars

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Easy to see who makes posts without watching him play at all and goes by what media fed couple of years back.

His catching has improved so much, not only when it comes to crossing but also from long shots. He just catches them.

Also didn't Neville showed some stat where it shows he catches around 83%?

Hasn't dropped one ball so far this season,the guy has improved so much it's unreal.
Bias doesn't come into it,he's my choice for best 'keeper in the league.

byrneg28

1. Courtois
2. De Gea
3. Forster
4. Lloris
5. Hart
6. Szczesny
7. Howard
8. Guzan
9. Begovic
10. Krul
11. Adrian
12. Fabianiski
13. Tom Heaton
14. Speroni
15. McGregor
16. K Schmeichel
17. Foster
18. Green
19. Pantilimon
20. Mignolet


I think the Premier League is blessed with an abundance of Goalkeeping talent (even moving down to 2nd choice and 3rd choice, apart from Liverpool, sort it out lads) here's my list of 1-20, who I think the best keepers are

byrneg28

byrneg28 wrote: »

1. Courtois
2. De Gea
3. Forster
4. Lloris
5. Hart
6. Szczesny
7. Howard
8. Guzan
9. Begovic
10. Krul
11. Adrian
12. Fabianiski
13. Tom Heaton
14. Speroni
15. McGregor
16. K Schmeichel
17. Foster
18. Green
19. Pantilimon
20. Mignolet


I think the Premier League is blessed with an abundance of Goalkeeping talent (even moving down to 2nd choice and 3rd choice, apart from Liverpool, sort it out lads) here's my list of 1-20, who I think the best keepers are

Interested to know what you used to categorise a 1-20 list.

Not disagreeing with it btw.

Ferris_Bueller

rarnes1 wrote: »

Interested to know what you used to categorise a 1-20 list.

Not disagreeing with it btw.

Cech would surely be in that list?

shrewdness

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Cech would surely be in that list?

Its surely just the starters listed. The likes of Caballero and Valdes would also be in there if it wasn't.

byrneg28

shrewdness wrote: »

Its surely just the starters listed. The likes of Caballero and Valdes would also be in there if it wasn't.

This^

byrneg28

rarnes1 wrote: »

Interested to know what you used to categorise a 1-20 list.

Not disagreeing with it btw.

As in the format, or how I consider different goalkeepers being better than one another?

elefant

I'd be curious to see how the voting would look if one was precluded from choosing a keeper from their supported club.

I would suspect that a huge bulk of De Gea's votes are coming from United fans.

GavRedKing

elefant wrote: »

I'd be curious to see how the voting would look if one was precluded from choosing a keeper from their supported club.

I would suspect that a huge bulk of De Gea's votes are coming from United fans.

If I wasnt voting for Courtois, De Gea would be my next vote.

Theres probably as many anti Utd posters picking Courtois TBF.

byrneg28

GavRedKing wrote: »

If I wasnt voting for Courtois, De Gea would be my next vote.

Theres probably as many anti Utd posters picking Courtois TBF.

And a lot of Liverpool fans picking Mignolet, while he is quite certainly the worst first choice in the league. It's saying something when your dropped for Brad Jones who couldn't get his game at Shelbourne and Wes Hoolahan noted 'the worst goalkeeper he's every played with'

I mean even in the Championship , Ruddy and Marshall would walk into most mid-table, lower premier league team! Also Ben Hamer sub-keeper for Leicester is brilliant!

matrim

Frankie Lee wrote: »

Guzan is very under rated, mistakes are very rare, commands his area as good as anyone in the league, excellent shot stopper and distribution is well above average. If it wasn't for him in the last couple of seasons Villa would have been relegated. I'd have him as a top 6 goalkeeper.

He has very good command of the area and is a good shot stopper but is prone to the odd mistake and his distribution is pretty poor. He's a good keeper and probably in the top 10 but he's not one of the best.

GavRedKing

I wouldnt say Mignolet is the worst in the list of starters. I'd say Schemichel, Heaton, Fabiniski, Foster and Green are all as bad if not worst than Mignolet.

Green is terrible and Fabiniski is a very poor version of Szczesny which makes him a really poor GK IMO.

Beefy78

Green isn't terrible. He's a decent keeper and a big reason why QPR have got any points at this stage.

I agree that Mignolet isn't the worst in the league though. He's an alright keeper going through a terrible run of form.

byrneg28

GavRedKing wrote: »

I wouldnt say Mignolet is the worst in the list of starters. I'd say Schemichel, Heaton, Fabiniski, Foster and Green are all as bad if not worst than Mignolet.

Green is terrible and Fabiniski is a very poor version of Szczesny which makes him a really poor GK IMO.

I'd throw him in that pile alright.

Apart from Heaton, I think he's a very good goalkeeper.

I think I'm probably so harsh on Mignolet because of the hype that surrounded him when he joined Liverpool. He can't catch a cross.. he really can't.. and that doesn't cut it in a very direct/set-piece focused league.

He's been found out because he's gone from a bottom side saving long-shots all day to a bigger club who when playing against teams like Stoke, West Ham, Aston Villa etc. are more likely to grab a goal from a set-play and the fact that he can't deal with them, really illustrates he shouldn't be at Liverpool.

Bit harsh on Fabianski and Szczesny, definitley prone to mistakes (along with Mannonne.. what is it about Arsenal goalkeepers??) but I think Szczesny's great saves, command in the box, shot stopping and athleticism is overlooked by both his constant shuffling of the back 4, media, the fact arsenal are suscepitable to a counter attack..

2ndcoming

Has to be Courtois for me, Lloris 2nd. Scz is still young and at his best can be superb, but badly needs to work on his general consistency. Playing for Arsenal may mean you're only asked to do a couple of things in a game but in that case focus in those few moments is vital and his "1st shot on target = goal conceded" rate has been far too high this season.

De Gea hugely improved this season but for all those Man U fans voting for him you might want to ask Valdes be added to the poll. De Gea is absolutely nailed on for a switch to Madrid in the summer.

GavRedKing

byrneg28 wrote: »

I'd throw him in that pile alright.

Apart from Heaton, I think he's a very good goalkeeper.

I think I'm probably so harsh on Mignolet because of the hype that surrounded him when he joined Liverpool. He can't catch a cross.. he really can't.. and that doesn't cut it in a very direct/set-piece focused league.

He's been found out because he's gone from a bottom side saving long-shots all day to a bigger club who when playing against teams like Stoke, West Ham, Aston Villa etc. are more likely to grab a goal from a set-play and the fact that he can't deal with them, really illustrates he shouldn't be at Liverpool.

Bit harsh on Fabianski and Szczesny, definitley prone to mistakes (along with Mannonne.. what is it about Arsenal goalkeepers??) but I think Szczesny's great saves, command in the box, shot stopping and athleticism is overlooked by both his constant shuffling of the back 4, media, the fact arsenal are suscepitable to a counter attack..

I'm not dismissing Szczesny, he can become a n excellent GK if his erratic decisions are cut out, my point was Fabiniski is somewhat like Szczesny but a few levels belwo him, IMO. Hes got all the bad points of Szczesny with a lot less ability to turn it around.

SlickRic

just so everyone knows, it's highly likely that Liverpool fans are choosing Mignolet to be ironic, or rival fans are choosing him to take the píss and/or are doing it so they can accuse Liverpool fans of bias.

No Liverpool fan thinks Mignolet is anywhere close to best keeper in the Premier League.