Number of Champions in Different Countries

764dak

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/World_Football_Leagues.html

England: 23 champions from 115 tournaments
Scotland: 11 champions from 117 tournaments
Northern Ireland: 12 champions from 113 tournaments
Ireland: 18 champions from 94 tournaments
Wales: 6 from 22

Spain: 9 from 83
Portugal: 5 from 80
France: 29 from 100
Netherlands: 26 from 115
Italy: 17 from 111
Germany: 29 from 102
Brazil: 17 from 57
Argentina: 24 from 182
Uruguay: 7 from 81

What do you think?

Lovely Bloke

what do you think?

anncoates

I've got a stats horn on me now.

764dak

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

what do you think?

The Big 3 in Portugal are really dominant.

duffman13

No idea what's happening here

LuckyLloyd

duffman13 wrote: »

No idea what's happening here

It's stats that show the relative depth of title winners in major leagues. Like all stats, it's a somewhat flawed metric as:

- the character of leagues would have changed since inception;
- competitiveness is not just about the amount of differebt title winners and a significant gap may exist between a small sunset of clubs capable of winning a title and the rest of the league pyramid;
- In that regard the past could be s poor indicator of future performance;

Also: lol Portugal

NIMAN

Why don't the big 3 in Portugal just play off against each other?
Their league could last 1 week!

Plus those stats are since the leagues began, if you were to check the last decade, a lot of leagues would show a couple of teams dominating such as Spain and Scotland.

greendom

NIMAN wrote: »

Why don't the big 3 in Portugal just play off against each other?
Their league could last 1 week!

Plus those stats are since the leagues began, if you were to check the last decade, a lot of leagues would show a couple of teams dominating such as Spain and Scotland.

That's probably true if you pick on any decade in the past though. However Champions League money probably means it will be harder for clubs that don't regularly qualify to challenge in the future.

lassykk

Looking at it over the last 30 years it looks like this:

Spain: 5 different winners
- Barca 13
- Real 12
- Athletico 2
- Valencia 2
- Deportivo 1

Germany: 6 different winners
- Bayern 17
- Dortmund 5
- Bremen 3
- Stuggart 2
- Kaiserslautern 2
- Wolfsburg 1

England: 8 different winners
- United 13
- Arsenal 5
- Liverpool 3
- Chelsea 3
- Everton 2
- City 2
- Blackburn 1
- Leeds 1

France: 10 different winners
- Lyon 7
- Marseille 5
- PSG 4
- Bordeaux 4
- Monaco 3
- Nantes 2
- Auxerre 1
- Lens 1
- Lille 1
- Montpellier 1

Italy: 8 different winners
- Juve 9
- AC Milan 8
- Inter 6
- Napoli 2
- Roma 1
- Verona 1
- Lazio 1
- Sampdoria 1

Scotland: 3 different winners
- Rangers 17
- Celtic 12
- Aberdeen 1

Portugal: 4 different winners
- Porto 20
- Benfica 7
- Sporting 2
- Boavista 1

For those who would care to add these up France and Italy don't add to 30 as Juve and Marseille were stripped of one title each.

I thought it was interesting to see the chances of a one of team winning the league were higher in France and Italy. Also can't believe Verona won a league but then again I wasn't born!

Porto only started their domination in Portugal in the late 70s.. Before that it was only Benfica or Sporting winning the league there (bit like Scotland)

doncarlos

In past 10 seasons in the LOI there has been 8 champions, in the last 30 seasons, 9.

Shels 6
Rovers 5
Pats 5
Dundalk 4
Bohs 4
Cork 2
Derry 2
Sligo 1
Drogheda 1

LuckyLloyd

doncarlos wrote: »

In past 10 seasons in the LOI there has been 8 champions, in the last 30 seasons, 9.

Shels 6
Rovers 5
Pats 5
Dundalk 4
Bohs 4
Cork 2
Derry 2
Sligo 1
Drogheda 1

The Irish situation is not a positive one though. While competitiveness is nice in theory, the story of the league is different teams overstretching to win and then going bust from the effort.

Lovely Bloke

Preach it, at least 3 of those 6 Shels titles were build on quicksand.

Same goes for pretty much every club that's won the title since about 2000

NIMAN

What about if we were to look at the potential likelihood of teams to win their leagues in the future now?

That would probably make the likes of the EPL look less competitive, as you might only have Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd.

Spain would probably have only Barca, Madrid, Atleti. Probably 2 though.

Germany, probably Bayern then another 1 or 2.

I think its safe to say that the leagues are getting less competitive and number of potential winners decreasing.

Magico Gonzalez

NIMAN wrote: »

What about if we were to look at the potential likelihood of teams to win their leagues in the future now?

That would probably make the likes of the EPL look less competitive, as you might only have Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd. Southampton
Spain would probably have only Barca, Madrid, Atleti. Probably 2 though.

Germany, probably Bayern then another 1 or 2.

I think its safe to say that the leagues are getting less competitive and number of potential winners decreasing.

Fixed that for you there.

Cookiemunster

NIMAN wrote: »

What about if we were to look at the potential likelihood of teams to win their leagues in the future now?

That would probably make the likes of the EPL look less competitive, as you might only have Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd.

Spain would probably have only Barca, Madrid, Atleti. Probably 2 though.

Germany, probably Bayern then another 1 or 2.

I think its safe to say that the leagues are getting less competitive and number of potential winners decreasing.

I think Valencia could be back in there soon. Provided Lim comes up with the money he promised obviously.

doncarlos

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

The Irish situation is not a positive one though. While competitiveness is nice in theory, the story of the league is different teams overstretching to win and then going bust from the effort.

I think the situation has improved in recent years. The last four winners are pretty secure financially.
With the LOI the wage gap between the top teams and the bottom team isn't really that much so a few decent signings can have any side challenging. Dundalk are a perfect example of this having to play in a play off match to remain in the division in 2012 to finishing second in 2013 to winning in 2014.

keano_afc

Are Derry City the only club in the world to have won the league in 2 different countries?

titan18

keano_afc wrote: »

Are Derry City the only club in the world to have won the league in 2 different countries?

Had to google this once I saw it. Rapid Vienna won the German League when Austria got annexed by Germany and of course, have won lots of Austrian leagues.

DerekDGoldfish

keano_afc wrote: »

Are Derry City the only club in the world to have won the league in 2 different countries?

You could argue (although its a stretch) that Wolves won a US league

During the close season in 1967, Wolves played a mini season in North America as part of the fledgling United Soccer Association league which imported clubs from Europe and South America. Playing as the "Los Angeles Wolves", they won the Western Division and ultimately the championship by defeating the Eastern Division champions Washington Whips in a final decider.

DaveyCakes

keano_afc wrote: »

Are Derry City the only club in the world to have won the league in 2 different countries?

Dinamos Minsk, Kiev, Tbilisi, Ararat Yerevan.... (Russia is considered the successor state to the Soviet Union so I'm not including Russian sides)
Slovan Bratislava
Dinamo Zagreb, Hajduk Split, Zeljeznicar Sarajevo