Man tries to kill unborn baby!!!

hollster2

WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD???:eek:


Man Who Didn’t Want Baby Stomped on His Pregnant Wife’s Stomach to Cause Abortion
by Steven Ertelt | Melbourne, Australia | LifeNews.com | 1/12/15 5:10 PM

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A man who didn’t want his wife to give birth to their baby stomped on her stomach in an attempt to force her to miscarry, or have an abortion. A court in Melbourne, Australia held a hearing about the man’s attempt to kill his own child, and the judge in the case denied him bail.


He also forced her to have sex against her will, also in an attempt to somehow cause a miscarriage and kill the baby.

From The Age newspaper:

pregnantwoman37The man, 40, was on Monday refused bail when a magistrate heard that police had serious concerns for the safety of the woman, who was so frightened of her husband that she refused to enter the courtroom when his case was called.

Melbourne Magistrates Court heard that the man said to his partner one day this year “Get used to it” when she told him she did not want to have sex.

Senior Constable Graeme Gooding said the man wanted sex to abort the baby, and he had previously stomped on the woman with a similar intention. The court was not told of the health of the woman or her unborn child.

At one point the man told his wife: “I am the father, I have the right to have the baby when I want.”

Since 2010 the man had twice made the woman undergo termination procedures against her wishes, the court heard. The man, from Melbourne’s inner north-western suburbs, is charged with two counts of assault and two counts of making a threat to kill.

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Police allege he threatened to kill his wife and her teenage son unless she underwent an abortion.

Representing himself in court, the accused man said he loved children but could not afford to become a father. He denied the allegations against him.

Senior Constable Gooding said the man had shown no regard for anyone but himself and had problems with alcohol. The police had concerns for the woman’s safety if he was granted bail.

Magistrate Jonathan Klestadt agreed and said he regarded the alleged conduct as “extremely serious”. The man posed a “significant danger” if released from custody.

Timberrrrrrrr

hollster2 wrote: »

WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD???:eek:


Man Who Didn’t Want Baby Stomped on His Pregnant Wife’s Stomach to Cause Abortion
by Steven Ertelt | Melbourne, Australia | LifeNews.com | 1/12/15 5:10 PM

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A man who didn’t want his wife to give birth to their baby stomped on her stomach in an attempt to force her to miscarry, or have an abortion. A court in Melbourne, Australia held a hearing about the man’s attempt to kill his own child, and the judge in the case denied him bail.

Abortion activists go to great lengths to make abortion about women’s rights, yet cases like these underscore the fact that abortion merely empowers men. In this particular case, the man had already forced his wife to have two abortions she didn’t really want.

He also forced her to have sex against her will, also in an attempt to somehow cause a miscarriage and kill the baby.

From The Age newspaper:

pregnantwoman37The man, 40, was on Monday refused bail when a magistrate heard that police had serious concerns for the safety of the woman, who was so frightened of her husband that she refused to enter the courtroom when his case was called.

Melbourne Magistrates Court heard that the man said to his partner one day this year “Get used to it” when she told him she did not want to have sex.

Senior Constable Graeme Gooding said the man wanted sex to abort the baby, and he had previously stomped on the woman with a similar intention. The court was not told of the health of the woman or her unborn child.

At one point the man told his wife: “I am the father, I have the right to have the baby when I want.”

Since 2010 the man had twice made the woman undergo termination procedures against her wishes, the court heard. The man, from Melbourne’s inner north-western suburbs, is charged with two counts of assault and two counts of making a threat to kill.

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Police allege he threatened to kill his wife and her teenage son unless she underwent an abortion.

Representing himself in court, the accused man said he loved children but could not afford to become a father. He denied the allegations against him.

Senior Constable Gooding said the man had shown no regard for anyone but himself and had problems with alcohol. The police had concerns for the woman’s safety if he was granted bail.

Magistrate Jonathan Klestadt agreed and said he regarded the alleged conduct as “extremely serious”. The man posed a “significant danger” if released from custody.

Would ya ever feck off posting that ****e :rolleyes:

hollster2

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Would ya ever feck off posting that ****e :rolleyes:

EDIT :rolleyes:

whiskeyman

hollster2 wrote: »

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No thanks.

The Peanut

Im not sure if this should be left open, there's very little to discuss here. Horrific.

Edit; ignore comment. I hurriedly read article as I found it disturbing. More going on than I originally observed.

The Backwards Man

Makes a change from articles from partisan news sources such as Russia Today and Fox News I suppose.

Akrasia

hollster2 wrote: »

WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD???:eek:


Man Who Didn’t Want Baby Stomped on His Pregnant Wife’s Stomach to Cause Abortion
by Steven Ertelt | Melbourne, Australia | LifeNews.com | 1/12/15 5:10 PM

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International 4371 Share
A man who didn’t want his wife to give birth to their baby stomped on her stomach in an attempt to force her to miscarry, or have an abortion. A court in Melbourne, Australia held a hearing about the man’s attempt to kill his own child, and the judge in the case denied him bail.

Abortion activists go to great lengths to make abortion about women’s rights, yet cases like these underscore the fact that abortion merely empowers men. In this particular case, the man had already forced his wife to have two abortions she didn’t really want.

He also forced her to have sex against her will, also in an attempt to somehow cause a miscarriage and kill the baby.

From The Age newspaper:

pregnantwoman37The man, 40, was on Monday refused bail when a magistrate heard that police had serious concerns for the safety of the woman, who was so frightened of her husband that she refused to enter the courtroom when his case was called.

Melbourne Magistrates Court heard that the man said to his partner one day this year “Get used to it” when she told him she did not want to have sex.

Senior Constable Graeme Gooding said the man wanted sex to abort the baby, and he had previously stomped on the woman with a similar intention. The court was not told of the health of the woman or her unborn child.

At one point the man told his wife: “I am the father, I have the right to have the baby when I want.”

Since 2010 the man had twice made the woman undergo termination procedures against her wishes, the court heard. The man, from Melbourne’s inner north-western suburbs, is charged with two counts of assault and two counts of making a threat to kill.

Click here to sign up for daily pro-life news alerts from LifeNews.com

Police allege he threatened to kill his wife and her teenage son unless she underwent an abortion.

Representing himself in court, the accused man said he loved children but could not afford to become a father. He denied the allegations against him.

Senior Constable Gooding said the man had shown no regard for anyone but himself and had problems with alcohol. The police had concerns for the woman’s safety if he was granted bail.

Magistrate Jonathan Klestadt agreed and said he regarded the alleged conduct as “extremely serious”. The man posed a “significant danger” if released from custody.

Because some people are c*nts of the highest order says absolutely nothing about whether or not abortion should legal and accessable.

Anyone who uses the actions of a violent rapist to argue that abortion is wrong needs to look carefully at how their own reasoning process works.

hollster2

The Peanut wrote: »

Im not sure if this should be left open, there's very little to discuss here. Horrific.

Only wanted to share who vile some people are its ok for it to be closed didnt mean to upset anyone!

KomradeBishop

Laughable spin from the pro-life site - original non-spin article:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-who-didnt-want-a-child-stomped-on-his-wife-a-court-is-told-20150112-12mms6.html

hollster2

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Laughable spin from the pro-life site - original non-spin article:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-who-didnt-want-a-child-stomped-on-his-wife-a-court-is-told-20150112-12mms6.html

Didnt know how to add it like that thanks for that

PopePalpatine

Akrasia wrote: »

Because some people are c*nts of the highest order says absolutely nothing about whether or not abortion should legal and accessable.

Anyone who uses the actions of a violent rapist to argue that abortion is wrong needs to look carefully at how their own reasoning process works.

Next week, we'll discuss why you shouldn't leave your elderly relatives in nursing homes because of Harold Shipman.

Grayson

Akrasia wrote: »

Because some people are c*nts of the highest order says absolutely nothing about whether or not abortion should legal and accessable.

Anyone who uses the actions of a violent rapist to argue that abortion is wrong needs to look carefully at how their own reasoning process works.

I know it's like seeing an article about a man stabbing his wife and demanding that doctors not be allowed surgery.

eviltwin

hollster2 wrote: »

WHAT ON EARTH IS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD???:eek:


Man Who Didn’t Want Baby Stomped on His Pregnant Wife’s Stomach to Cause Abortion
by Steven Ertelt | Melbourne, Australia | LifeNews.com | 1/12/15 5:10 PM

PrintEmail
International 4371 Share
A man who didn’t want his wife to give birth to their baby stomped on her stomach in an attempt to force her to miscarry, or have an abortion. A court in Melbourne, Australia held a hearing about the man’s attempt to kill his own child, and the judge in the case denied him bail.


He also forced her to have sex against her will, also in an attempt to somehow cause a miscarriage and kill the baby.

From The Age newspaper:

pregnantwoman37The man, 40, was on Monday refused bail when a magistrate heard that police had serious concerns for the safety of the woman, who was so frightened of her husband that she refused to enter the courtroom when his case was called.

Melbourne Magistrates Court heard that the man said to his partner one day this year “Get used to it” when she told him she did not want to have sex.

Senior Constable Graeme Gooding said the man wanted sex to abort the baby, and he had previously stomped on the woman with a similar intention. The court was not told of the health of the woman or her unborn child.

At one point the man told his wife: “I am the father, I have the right to have the baby when I want.”

Since 2010 the man had twice made the woman undergo termination procedures against her wishes, the court heard. The man, from Melbourne’s inner north-western suburbs, is charged with two counts of assault and two counts of making a threat to kill.

Click here to sign up for daily pro-life news alerts from LifeNews.com

Police allege he threatened to kill his wife and her teenage son unless she underwent an abortion.

Representing himself in court, the accused man said he loved children but could not afford to become a father. He denied the allegations against him.

Senior Constable Gooding said the man had shown no regard for anyone but himself and had problems with alcohol. The police had concerns for the woman’s safety if he was granted bail.

Magistrate Jonathan Klestadt agreed and said he regarded the alleged conduct as “extremely serious”. The man posed a “significant danger” if released from custody.

Man subjects his partner to a horrifying attack but yet its the unborn baby that gets all the attention. Typical pro life attitude :rolleyes:

Grayson

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Laughable spin from the pro-life site - original non-spin article:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/man-who-didnt-want-a-child-stomped-on-his-wife-a-court-is-told-20150112-12mms6.html

The man aspired to join the police force, Senior Constable Gooding told the court.

lol.

MistyCheese

This story makes me feel more that we should have abortion. Safe, medically supervised abortion is better than your psycho husband trying to stomp, kick and rape the baby out of you.

Was the article trying to say 'look what happens when you allow abortions!'? Coz that makes no sense. The man tried to physically abuse his wife into miscarrying but also forced her into two abortions. So he was going to abuse her regardless of abortion laws.

hollster2

eviltwin wrote: »

Man subjects his partner to a horrifying attack but yet its the unborn baby that gets all the attention. Typical pro life attitude :rolleyes:

I just posted the article for both her and baby was awful yes no woman should have to go through that!

suicide_circus

Since feoti aren't human, why don't we harvest them as a rich source of protein?

MistyCheese

suicide_circus wrote: »

Since feoti aren't human, why don't we harvest them as a rich source of protein?

We do. We call them 'stem cells'.

biko

Unfortunately this happens from time to time.
People are huge eejits and sometimes desperate enough to do something like this.
He should be done for assault and attempted murder imo


The article is from an anti-abortion site so of course it will have the baby angle.

Grayson

MistyCheese wrote: »

This story makes me feel more that we should have abortion. Safe, medically supervised abortion is better than your psycho husband trying to stomp kick and rape the baby out.

They do have abortion there. the issue was that she wanted to keep the baby (as is her choice)

A man forced his pregnant wife to have sex against her will in an attempt to have their baby aborted, a court has heard.

The man, 40, was on Monday refused bail when a magistrate heard that police had serious concerns for the safety of the woman, who was so frightened of her husband that she refused to enter the courtroom when his case was called.

Melbourne Magistrates Court heard that the man said to his partner one day this year "Get used to it" when she told him she did not want to have sex.

Senior Constable Graeme Gooding said the man wanted sex to abort the baby. He said the accused had also previously stomped on the woman before she fell pregnant.

However the stomping occurred before she was pregnant. Not after as the original article implies. It appears he tried to rape her because he thought it would cause a miscarriage., Not the shiniest penny in the pile.

opiniated

MistyCheese wrote: »

This story makes me feel more that we should have abortion. Safe, medically supervised abortion is better than your psycho husband trying to stomp, kick and rape the baby out of you.

Was the article trying to say 'look what happens when you allow abortions!'? Coz that makes no sense. The man tried to physically abuse his wife into miscarrying but also forced her into two abortions. So he was going to abuse her regardless of abortion laws.

Maybe it's me, and I admit that I didn't read the pro-life article, but isn't the point of the story that the husband tried to force his wife to have a third abortion? So safe medically supervised abortion would make no difference if the woman didn't want an abortion?

suicide_circus

MistyCheese wrote: »

We do. We call them 'stem cells'.

Never saw that on a menu

biko

I'm sure he's a great guy when he is sober...

The_Valeyard

eviltwin wrote: »

Man subjects his partner to a horrifying attack but yet its the unborn baby that gets all the attention. Typical pro life attitude :rolleyes:

The baby was the motive though, so it is relevant, but without the spin.

eviltwin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

The baby was the motive though, so it is relevant, but without the spin.

But she was the one who had to endure the rapes, the physical assault, the mental intimidation, the threats. She doesn't seem to get much of a mention or any sympathy, its all centered on the baby. Like how dare he do that to cause a miscarriage, not how dare he do it to his partner. Its almost like she is secondary to the whole thing even though she is the victim.

Wabbit Ears

On the ABORTION only, and not the vicious assault if she decided to have an abortion not an eyelid would be batted and the husbands wishes on the subject if he objected would mean nothing.

MistyCheese

opiniated wrote: »

Maybe it's me, and I admit that I didn't read the pro-life article, but isn't the point of the story that the husband tried to force his wife to have a third abortion? So safe medically supervised abortion would make no difference if the woman didn't want an abortion?

Yes, that's my point. In this case the bloke was going to do what he did regardless of abortion laws.

Whether Ireland allows abortions or not abusive spouses are going to be abusive. They're not likely to get more abusive if abortion becomes legal.

bodice ripper

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

On the ABORTION only, and not the vicious assault if she decided to have an abortion not an eyelid would be batted and the husbands wishes on the subject if he objected would mean nothing.

It's nothing short of disgusting that you are explicitly saying "lets ignore the horrific assault" to wedge your little rant in.

Timberrrrrrrr

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

On the ABORTION only, and not the vicious assault if she decided to have an abortion not an eyelid would be batted and the husbands wishes on the subject if he objected would mean nothing.

If she decided to abort her rapists baby? Of course no one would say anything. Or do you believe a woman should be forced to carry her rapists baby to full term?

Riskymove

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If she decided to abort her rapists baby? Of course no one would say anything. Or do you believe a woman should be forced to carry her rapists baby to full term?

this is obviously an emotive issue as always


I think the point some are making is that if choosing to abort a foetus is not murder then causing one to abort though attacking the mother shouldn't be considered a murder either

A foetus should be either considered a person or not both when it comes to abortion or assault/murder laws.


Obviously the attack on the mother is an assault or attempted murder etc. based on circumstances

The_Valeyard

eviltwin wrote: »

But she was the one who had to endure the rapes, the physical assault, the mental intimidation, the threats. She doesn't seem to get much of a mention or any sympathy, its all centered on the baby. Like how dare he do that to cause a miscarriage, not how dare he do it to his partner. Its almost like she is secondary to the whole thing even though she is the victim.

Didn't say she didn't. Why not both parties or why are some just excluding the baby?

Anyhow this conversation will go nowhere as you can ready see people with blinkered vision putting up the barricades and defending their ideological cause no matter the topic.

eviltwin

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Didn't say she didn't. Why not both parties or why are some just excluding the baby?

Anyhow this conversation will go nowhere as you can ready see people with blinkered vision putting up the barricades and defending their ideological cause no matter the topic.

My point is that she isn't even mentioned....look at the topic title "man tries to kill unborn baby" as if that is the real crime here. He beat the crap out of someone but she doesn't even warrant a mention. That's what has pissed me off.

hollster2

eviltwin wrote: »

My point is that she isn't even mentioned....look at the topic title "man tries to kill unborn baby" as if that is the real crime here. He beat the crap out of someone but she doesn't even warrant a mention. That's what has pissed me off.

Your right I worded it wrong in no way do i think the baby should have priority over the motehr she went through an awful time!

bear1

So, the woman is beaten to a pulp and on top of that also raped but yet it's the unborn child which is the victim?

AlanS181824

Mad story altogether.

Poor woman!

bear1

Apparently the husband made the woman abort the previous 2 children against her will.
Now, the animal should be charged with murder IMO and maybe also learn to keep condoms in his pocket although I imagine now that won't be such a problem anymore.

Riskymove

bear1 wrote: »

Maybe it will give the abortion cultists who chant the pro-life line some food for thought.

Huh?

the article is from a pro-life outlet..not sure what you are getting at there



tbh it is pretty clear this guy is an animal or else seriously disturbed...or both

I think it is sad that this is discussed as an abortion issue at all really.

floggg

Wabbit Ears wrote: »

On the ABORTION only, and not the vicious assault if she decided to have an abortion not an eyelid would be batted and the husbands wishes on the subject if he objected would mean nothing.

Come back to me when you find a way for the father to carry the child to term and give birth himself, and then I'll have some sympathy for his position.

bear1

Riskymove wrote: »

Huh?

the article is from a pro-life outlet..not sure what you are getting at there



tbh it is pretty clear this guy is an animal or else seriously disturbed...or both

I think it is sad that this is discussed as an abortion issue at all really.

Yeah sorry I got mixed up a bit there.

Gummy Panda

I thought this thread would be about King Herod

kylith

suicide_circus wrote: »

Since feoti aren't human, why don't we harvest them as a rich source of protein?

Cost/benefit analysis. It takes 9 months to get a foetus weighing 6-9lbs, you'll get a turkey, for example, to a weight of 20-25lbs in about 6 months.

opiniated

bear1 wrote: »

So, the woman is beaten to a pulp and on top of that also raped but yet it's the unborn child which is the victim?

They're both victims, obviously.

I still don't understand why/how this has become a pro-choice issue.

She was forced to have two abortions by an abusive excuse for a human being.

I'll ask again - how would more liberal abortion laws have helped her not to be forced to have an abortion against her will, or for that matter, to deal with an abusive twat?

How would more liberal abortion laws have helped her in any way, at all?

kylith

opiniated wrote: »

They're both victims, obviously.

I still don't understand why/how this has become a pro-choice issue.

She was forced to have two abortions by an abusive excuse for a human being.

I'll ask again - how would more liberal abortion laws have helped her not to be forced to have an abortion against her will, or for that matter, to deal with an abusive twat?

How would more liberal abortion laws have helped her in any way, at all?

How would less liberal abortion laws have stopped her partner attempting to beat her into miscarriage?

Yes, it is awful, awful, that she was forced to have two abortions by him and was probably too afraid of him to ask for help in the clinic. But at least the procedures were carried out by medical professionals in a clinic where she could be helped if there were complications, not with an afghan hook or a steel toe-capped boot in a garage.

biko

For a second I thought title was "Man tries to kill unicorn baby!!!"

MistyCheese

biko wrote: »

For a second I thought title was "Man tries to kill unicorn baby!!!"

That poor unifoal!

opiniated

kylith wrote: »

How would less liberal abortion laws have stopped her partner attempting to beat her into miscarriage?

Yes, it is awful, awful, that she was forced to have two abortions by him and was probably too afraid of him to ask for help in the clinic. But at least the procedures were carried out by medical professionals in a clinic where she could be helped if there were complications, not with an afghan hook or a steel toe-capped boot in a garage.

Neither more or less liberal laws would have stopped that jerk from beating her up.
That's the point.

All the hand-wringing about her being forced to carry her rapists child, or how abortion in a clinic would have been safer is pure nonsense.

The plain unvarnished truth is, she had an abusive partner. He was a rapist, he bullied he into two abortions, he attempted to force her into a third abortion, and when she didn't capitulate, he beat her up, and attempted to kill his unborn child.

She should never have been forced into any abortion. She should never have been raped, or beaten up.

Your reasoning that the "procedures were carried out by medical professionals in a clinic" makes a complete mockery of the "pro-choice" argument.
She never made a choice to have an abortion, to be raped, or to be beaten.

Hence, anyone on the "pro-choice" side arguing about safety, or being forced to carry a rapists child have been so blinded in their fight for "womens rights":rolleyes: - that they've completely missed the part about her choice not to want an abortion, to be raped, or to be beaten. Period.