The Expanse (Amazon) [** Spoilers **]

Yggr of Asgard

Deleted User wrote: »

Because it would make me worry whether it uses it in a preachy manner, if they're featured more heavily. Battlestar Galactica is one thing, because it featured a fictional religion, but it felt like it featured far too much in later seasons.

Have to say I'm enjoying this so far - enough intrigue, police procedural, and violence to keep me happy.

Blasphemy, how can you call religions featured in BSG fictional, that is outrages and offends me deeply. Next you deny that Jedi are a religion too?

In The Expanse "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is featured twice so far and you see a danger of it being preachy?

How many times come equally wacky "mainstream" religions up in other TV shows?

Yggr of Asgard

Yggr of Asgard wrote: »

Blasphemy, how can you call religions featured in BSG fictional, that is outrages and offends me deeply. Next you deny that Jedi are a religion too?

In The Expanse "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" is featured twice so far and you see a danger of it being preachy?

How many times come equally wacky "mainstream" religions up in other TV shows?

Usually in Sci-Fi shows, such as this, they're entirely fictional. It seems odd, to me personally, that they chose to use a real life one -- that's pretty much why.

Mickeroo

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Usually in Sci-Fi shows, such as this, they're entirely fictional. It seems odd, to me personally, that they chose to use a real life one -- that's pretty much why.

It's only set 200 years in the future, and it's set in our solar system. Would make no sense to make one up. May as well criticise it for using the real names for the planets,moons and asteroids.

What is interesting is a lot of the accents sound South African and the language they speak often sounds Afrikaans.

mewso

pixelburp wrote: »

Episode 10 will revolve around the discovery of Julie Mao and the proto-molecule. I did wonder if there was enough time to cover the events on Eros, but that alone could be an arc within Season 2. 10 episodes never felt enough time to build up the complexity of an entire society in the Solar System, AND the presence of alien proto-molecule-goop causing a stir. Better to build the world first in season 1

With 4 episodes left I still think it's the whole book in this series. They have just left for Eros so unless they are going to spend the next 4 episodes in the bar there I can't see how finding Julie Mao won't happen within the next couple of episodes.

pixelburp

More strong character work with this weeks episode; without detailing which, the little changes from the books are actually improving the drama a fair bit. The scenes on the farm worked well as an explainer for Holden's character, and if anything, make his actions seem a little sadder & more pathetic than before. My only quibble would be the last couple of episodes felt a little like stalling.

mewso wrote: »

With 4 episodes left I still think it's the whole book in this series. They have just left for Eros so unless they are going to spend the next 4 episodes in the bar there I can't see how finding Julie Mao won't happen within the next couple of episodes.

Don't want to clutter this thread with book spoilers, as it's not fair to anyone who hasn't read the novels but

after this weeks episode, with so much non-book material, I'm not sure we'll see events on Eros take place. Personally, I think season 1 will finish with the discovery of the proto-molecule, but not witness its full danger. It'd seem like too sudden a glut of information to cram into the last episodes of a season - heck I thought the gear-change in the books was a bit too clumsy by half.

Yggr of Asgard

I can not wait for the next Episode which according to the 17 seconds promo looks to be action packed and drive the story line further very quickly.

It's bad that only 3 episodes are left, because i don't expect Season 2 to launch before next year which is way too long to wait.

Thargor

Thought the Mormons little subplot in the books was great tbh, they should show that here instead of the way they're doing it making them look like generic preachers.

Mal-Adjusted

The story seems to have slowed to a crawl the past episode or so with the Canterbery survivors. I don't mind them going off-page but we need a compelling reason. at the end of episode 7 they're en route to Eros, the same as they were at the end of episode 6 and all we really got for our troubles was some tension with Amos.

Seriously, big spoilers here. you've been warned!

I can see the Eros incident taking all three episodes left and if it's anything like the book it'll be great. That means the other big set-pieces of the book, the attack on the Protogen station and the other Eros incident could potentially take up three or four episodes of season 2...and obviously hold on to Thomas Jayne a bit longer. he's fantastic as Miller

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Yggr of Asgard

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

The story seems to have slowed to a crawl the past episode or so with the Canterbery survivors. I don't mind them going off-page but we need a compelling reason. at the end of episode 7 they're en route to Eros, the same as they were at the end of episode 6 and all we really got for our troubles was some tension with Amos.

I think the last Episode severed largely to allow us to get to know the characters more rather than bringing the story line ahead.

However if you read the episode summaries for the upcoming 3 episodes left you will see where the season ends, I have the feeling that they will bring the story significant forward in the next episode.

I'm very happy that they got a second season because the story needs further telling and for once SyFy has gotten their hands on a good piece of show.

mewso

Great episode this week. Another show more folks should be watching methinks.

Yggr of Asgard

mewso wrote: »

Great episode this week. Another show more folks should be watching methinks.

I so agree, at least we know that even if it ends with cliff hanger (possibly) with episode there is seasons 2 next year (way too long away).

syfy channel has greatly improved recently shows like this, Killjoys and Dark Matter.

Tristram

Another very strong episode. The story and character development is strong which is great, and the production values are way beyond what I expected.

oxygen

One thing I don't get, why did the OPA leader Johnson need the crew of the Rocinante specifically to carry out this mission? Didn't he have a crew and ship that wasn't the most recognisable in the solar system, was this just something to advance the plot?

Mickeroo

oxygen_temp wrote: »

One thing I don't get, why did the OPA leader Johnson need the crew of the Rocinante specifically to carry out this mission? Didn't he have a crew and ship that wasn't the most recognisable in the solar system, was this just something to advance the plot?

That ship is more advanced and capable of getting out of scrapes than any the opa have.

pixelburp

oxygen_temp wrote: »

One thing I don't get, why did the OPA leader Johnson need the crew of the Rocinante specifically to carry out this mission? Didn't he have a crew and ship that wasn't the most recognisable in the solar system, was this just something to advance the plot?

The OPA aren't official so they wouldn't have any standing army, ships, etc. Made sense if they had access to a ... 'liberated' Martian gunship to strongarm its already compromised crew into running dangerous errands.

The scene in the hotel was pretty tense in last week's story, really well done and great to see the arcs finally coalesce. Close to the end of season 1 and this has been one of my favourite shows of 2015. 2016. Urgh, whichever; curse these shows broadcast in December

Yggr of Asgard

2 hours season finale (Episode 9 and 10) will be shown on SyFy tonight.

Trailer looks great, seams to be back to action.

Too bad it's going to take about 10 month for season 2 to start.

Yggr of Asgard

What the Frak?

I now have to wait 10 month for this to continue after that last scene?

Right now I think that this show is the best that SyFy has to offer, in fact I think it's the best piece of currently in series SciFi programming out there.

I hope Season 2 get's more than 10 episodes, yes i know it's cable so most likely it's only 12 but for sure I hope for more.

SoftMicro

Absolutely loved that first season. This is hands down the best sci-fi there's been on TV in years. Will watch that season again as there was so much going on in some of the episodes. Can't wait to see where it goes from here.

Yggr of Asgard

For me the 10 episodes come over as one slow audition or pilot showing of the potential hoping there will be more seasons to follow to tell the whole story.

I'm about to go and watch the finale again because I am so sure I missed crucial information.

GottaGetGatt

That was a great season.It was a bit slow in some episodes but every episode had an integral part of the story to tell. Definitely looking forward to the next season.

karma_

GottaGetGatt wrote: »

That was a great season.It was a bit slow in some episodes but every episode had an integral part of the story to tell. Definitely looking forward to the next season.

It's a good job I checked this thread, watched ep9 earlier and had no idea 10 was aired already. Loving the show in fairness, it gets better and better. Is it doing well with ratings and whatnot?

pixelburp

The events on Eros were a lot tamer than what I recall from the book; things came across as much grislier on the page, involving a fair amount of 'goopy' body horror. Between that and the curbing of Avarasala's potty mouth, seems like those were the two main elements restricted by a Network TV translation. At least the violence remained hard-edged; the brutal, unforgiving landscape of the Belt wouldn't quite have worked so well without it.

That's not to say the finale suffered in its less visceral format; to be honest I hadn't thought there enough time to cover Eros, but in the end it made for an exciting, tense ending and felt like a natural enough point to end the Season. It really left things hanging by a thread, and even knowing how it all turns out, I'm still keen as mustard to see it play on-screen.

All in all, it was a fantastic slice of TV, Scy-Fy did good here, for once. In fact, I'd go one further and say that the few narrative changes they made (as opposed to the stylistic ones mentioned above) actually improved things: Avarasala's earlier arrival in the story made the Earthbound plot strands flow and connect much more organically with those happening out in the Belt; and while the greater tension between the Roci crew initially took me by surprise, it definitely made the stakes more tangible and immediate. Roll on Season 2

pixelburp

The events on Eros were a lot tamer than what I recall from the book; things came across as much grislier on the page, involving a fair amount of 'goopy' body horror. Between that and the curbing of Avarasala's potty mouth, seems like those were the two main elements restricted by a Network TV translation. At least the violence remained hard-edged; the brutal, unforgiving landscape of the Belt wouldn't quite have worked so well without it.

That's not to say the finale suffered in its less visceral format; to be honest I hadn't thought there enough time to cover Eros, but in the end it made for an exciting, tense ending and felt like a natural enough point to end the Season. It really left things hanging by a thread, and even knowing how it all turns out, I'm still keen as mustard to see it play on-screen.

All in all, it was a fantastic slice of TV, Scy-Fy did good here, for once. In fact, I'd go one further and say that the few narrative changes they made (as opposed to the stylistic ones mentioned above) actually improved things: Avarasala's earlier arrival in the story made the Earthbound plot strands flow and connect much more organically with those happening out in the Belt; and while the greater tension between the Roci crew initially took me by surprise, it definitely made the stakes more tangible and immediate. Roll on Season 2

ixoy

Finally got around to watching and finishing this and am very impressed. The production values are very good, streets ahead of SyFy's other series such that you wouldn't think it was the same channel.

They did a strong job of getting the main plots from the book and some strong actor choices as well. In fact I'm not a big fan of the book series (well the first two books that I've read anyway) - I don't care for "James S.A. Corey's" writing style (I suspect it's Ty Franck's because I like Daniel Abraham's work). So it's one of those rare occasions where I like the adaptation more than the work it's based off of!

Mal-Adjusted

Conic con teaser for season 2 dropped.

It looks like the

assault on the Protogen space station as well as the battle on Ganymede?

I guess that's the Martian Recon Armour, i liked it but expected it to be a bit bulkier.

One strange bit is that

it seems Holden gets infected by the protomolecule? If so, it's a pretty big departure from the books.

pixelburp

I'd say the above was a dream sequence tbh, the protomolocle was so aggressively infectious and lethal it wouldn't make sense for

Holden to get infected and live

Good taster trailer, but a little flat too imo. I'm looking forward to the second season regardless but the promo could be a little punchier

Joeface

only problem is it does not Air until Early 2017

TerrorFirmer

Just binge watched this show, holy crap it's incredible - leagues ahead of anything SyFy has done in ages, very reminiscint of Battlestar in terms of production values, set design and cinematography. An excellent show, will be picking up the season boxset to show support.

opus

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Just binge watched this show, holy crap it's incredible - leagues ahead of anything SyFy has done in ages, very reminiscint of Battlestar in terms of production values, set design and cinematography. An excellent show, will be picking up the season boxset to show support.

Snap! Had a dose of something that kept me sofa-bound over the w/end so dived into this show interspersed with random olympics events. Very good I thought, just two episodes to go now so glad to hear they're planning a second series.

Agent Coulson

Netflix have bought the global rights to show The Expanse and will air season 2 weekly when it starts next year,

Season 1 will be added in November.

pixelburp

Fantastic news; Netflix really stepping up their game with these day-after broadcasts. Their film catalogue may suck but their TV provision's getting better with deals like this. Hopefully it expands into more ScyFy channel.

Ping Chow Chi

Will this be the first time that Netflix air a show weekly?

Agent Coulson

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

Will this be the first time that Netflix air a show weekly?

No they are airing quiet a few shows weekly right now ones they don't make themselves and just buy the rights to air weekly.

SnakePlissken

Better call Saul was broadcast weekly, so they do have form.

Ping Chow Chi

ah OK - seems I was in the wrong, damn you!

Exciting news about Netflix!

ixoy

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

Will this be the first time that Netflix air a show weekly?

Other shows off the top of my head also include 'Once Upon a Time, 'Designated Survivor', 'Power', 'Frequency', 'From Dusk 'Til Dawn', and soon 'Crazy-Ex Girlfriend' and I strongly suspect 'iZombie'.

Ping Chow Chi

OK OK - I get it - I was wrong

Joeface

ixoy wrote: »

Other shows off the top of my head also include 'Once Upon a Time, 'Designated Survivor', 'Power', 'Frequency', 'From Dusk 'Til Dawn', and soon 'Crazy-Ex Girlfriend' and I strongly suspect 'iZombie'.

Don't forget Orphan Black

This is definitely the way of the future and will, realistically, be the only way that a lot of Cable companies can survive.

pixelburp

It's weird though how Netflix are claiming a lot of these co-productions as 'Netflix Originals'; watched the latest season of Orphan Black and it seemed a bit cheeky for Netflix to claim that given all the money & time the BBC invested in the show before Netflix jumped onboard.

Occono

Exact date: November 3rd. http://www.tvwise.co.uk/2016/10/netflix-sets-uk-premiere-date-expanse/

conorhal

I've finished season one, and my feelings are a bit mixed regards the show.
I read a couple of the books before seeing the series and I'm glad of having done so, because coming cold to the show I feel like I'd have been confused about what was going on and why at times.
It also lacks a bit of characterization, except perhaps with Miller, but Thomas Jane is and excellent actor (irritating hair flopping excepted). The rest of the cast are competent but you don't get much of a sense of their characters or what's broadly at stake with war hotting up between Earth, Mars and the Belt. The show just lacks a bit of immediacy and intimacy in some way that's hard to describe but left me feeling a mite detached from the proceedings. Perhaps because a lot happens to characters that you barely recognise and their fates are supposed to bare some weight, but with so many characters given so little time you have a hard time keeping track of them, let alone investing in any of them.
Shohreh Aghdashloo is perfect casting as the foul mouthed but grandmotherly power behind the UN throne, Chrisjen Avasarala, it's just a shame the TV series denies her foul mouthed eloquence in all it's glory, but I guess they're trying for a more PG audience.
On the whole, it's a nice companion to the books, but as a series I hope it improves with season 2.

pixelburp

Yeah, I watched season 1 having read the first three books & took in the series with my OH who hasn't read any of them. She was definitely at sea in places, the show really lacking that extra element of world-building and foundation work to make it clearer what the state of play was. Even some basic info as to what &who the Belters were wouldn't have gone amiss. I don't know how that could have been done organically, but somehow.

The 'PG'ification of the show did stick in my craw a little; Avasarala's cleaner tongue was a big mistake & if there was a legitimate creative decision beyond 'the network won't let us cuss', I'd love to hear it 'cos it felt like a big chunk of her personality missing. Equally, the incident on Eros Station was really de-fanged in the adaptation, losing the manic tension & body horror from the novel.

pixelburp

A new trailer popped up, revealing that Season 2 will air on Feb 8th; presumably Netflix then airing internationally the next day:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHFMK9l5cCg

Yggr of Asgard

I can not wait until that one is back in my life, it is hands down the best SciFi show in a long time.

Brief_Lives

I just caught this show on Netflix.. brilliant stuff...
Thomas Jane is a class act.

the creativity builiding this futuristic world is top notch. Those ships...:eek:

can´t wait for Season 2.

EoinMcLovin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06EIAuYRRTw

Mr E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3v9gUNAZGg