Ray D'arcy on RTE Radio 1 **Mod Warning post 1, 1263, 1610**

Sideshow Mark

Expunge wrote: »

The sort of people who enjoy musings of a man on the 2 cents on the price of a bowl of RTE Canteen Soup or dropping a Kindle as one falls asleep or how English people pronounce Irish names are not the sort of people I'd like personally to socialise with.
But, it seems from his Today FM listener numbers, they are many and they buy stuff like VW cars.
Unfortunately, many of us have to share a democracy and a social structure with them. But there you go.
We can still call it (the show) what it is, a steaming pile of excrement which doesn't look like value from half a million Euros.

Your mind was made up before the show even started. You hate Darcy, his show and his listeners.

Expunge

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

Your mind was made up before the show even started. You hate Darcy, his show and his listeners.

Ooh, a mind reader!

Anyway back to the D'arcy Show on RTE Radio 1, not slagging off other posters.
I will now report your post, Sideshow Mark.
Have a great day!

hullaballoo

Moderator: Thread closed pending review. More than likely, this review will take place this evening when I have the time.

Apologies to those who would like to contribute sensibly that this has to happen.

hullaballoo

Moderator:

Sorry for the long post. Rather than subject everyone to a wall of emboldened text, I am leaving the main part plain but you must take it that this entire post constitutes a moderator decision. Therefore, further discussion of this must be done in the appropriate forums elsewhere - I'd imagine Feedback in this case.

In any event, I have read the thread and I can see the issues. However, I do not think there is much to be done from a moderator perspective at this stage.

This forum is dedicated to discussion of all aspects of radio. Rather than turning it into a niche forum where only technical aspects to radio broadcasting can be discussed, there are many facets to what can be discussed, including technical, presentation, musical knowledge, show content etc. The list goes on. That's not changing today.

In this thread, Ray D'Arcy's much-publicised move from one national radio station to the national, state (i.e.tax-payer)-funded broadcaster. Then there are the additional controversies surrounding the circumstances of the move. Of course that's going to be discussed. It's relevant to the show, its production and most importantly the listenership. It's also within the confines of the charter.

On top of that, we have discussion of the other aspects of the show such as the presenter, show participants and all of the other attendant parts of the show. That's also perfectly in line with the charter.

None of the above discussion goes against the charter.

Something else has happened here, though that's important to note. RD will have brought over fans to RTE, in line with their plans, and there will be those who already listen to RTE1 by choice or otherwise. So, new listeners and old are now tuned into the show and both want to discuss that here. Again, fine.

The problem is that we now have factions - fans and, well, not fans. The freedom allowed by this medium means that debate between these factions is going to be robust. That's what these forums are about. Because the show is still new, that might settle over time. I'm not quite on a par with those saying it's a train-wreck, though posts have been deleted so that might have solved some of that issue.

Obviously, the charter rules restrain the usual things. The charter applies to this thread as much as any other but a number of issues have thus far arisen and I will highlight these below.

There will be zero tolerance in relation to the following:
1. As per Nody's earlier warning, no one is to suggest that another poster is in any way associated with Ray D'Arcy or the show - this will be a one month ban for first offence, and more severe bans subsequently (there aren't many more before it's permanent);

2. Personal abuse - fairly obvious, don't do it. Don't abuse the presenters, don't abuse each other.

3. No more "if you don't like x, then y". No more. People have to listen to the radio in work, people are entitled to listen to something they don't like. People are entitled to discuss that here. People are entitled to criticise, especially public personas, once this doesn't transcend into abuse.

4. Be civil.

I will note that this may change if a particular type of post becomes repetitive and does not add to the discussion. We're not at the stage of Liveline bingo in this thread and hopefully, D'Arcy won't reach the level where you know what he's going to say before he says it.

Right, that's all I have to say about it apart from that I again apologise that the thread was locked for so long, for little reason, it must be said.

Cheers,
hullaballoo.

PS Copied to first post.

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jimmyw

It doesnt sound right for radio 1 I think to have a producer/s talking/heard in the background of the show like Jenny/Will.Its like against the ethos, sort of.Its the norm on Today Fm, but not RTE.

Can you hear that on any other RTE radio 1 show?

Why does it need two producers anyway?

The show is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole sort of.

Just my observation thats all.Its all a bit odd for me.

flangemeistro

So did everyone hear the inevitable "you can email me on ray@tod.................., oh cut to the song" today?

jimbobaloobob

I miss the quiz for €1000 that Derek mooney had. Show me the money!!!

crazygeryy

jimbobaloobob wrote: »

I miss the quiz for €1000 that Derek mooney had. Show me the money!!!

Id say a lot of people miss mooney.i think he catered for an older type of audience and rte putting darcy here is a mistake.

Ps i couldn't believe he nearly gave out a today fm email address.
It's hard to believe how many people in this thread mods included cannot see how bad a presenter this guy is.

Gits_bone

It's mad the number of companies who have switched over to RTE Radio 1 from Today FM.

jimbobaloobob

Gits_bone wrote: »

It's mad the number of companies who have switched over to RTE Radio 1 from Today FM.

Is it?

CountyHurler

jimmyw wrote: »

It doesnt sound right for radio 1 I think to have a producer/s talking/heard in the background of the show like Jenny/Will.

I find the whole "having your missus beside you laughing at your jokes" thing a bit disconcerting. Ray will say something and this laughter just appears out of nowhere... no introduction as to who the other person is or why they are there..

And why are RTE still using the makey uppey callers to promote the show... You know those "oh motherhood, has been an eyeopener", and "what would you do if you couldnt run........ walk" soundbytes that were used to promote the show before a show had ever been done..

Jack the Box

Gits_bone wrote: »

It's mad the number of companies who have switched over to RTE Radio 1 from Today FM.

What are you talking about?

Sideshow Mark

CountyHurler wrote: »

And why are RTE still using the makey uppey callers to promote the show... You know those "oh motherhood, has been an eyeopener", and "what would you do if you couldnt run........ walk" soundbytes that were used to promote the show before a show had ever been done..

You're clutching at straws now. I can't believe you don't understand what an advertisement is. They are actors, it's an ad, did you think he spent the last month going to random people's houses with a mic and a camera for a chat?

Gits_bone

crazygeryy wrote: »

Id say a lot of people miss mooney.i think he catered for an older type of audience and rte putting darcy here is a mistake.

Ps i couldn't believe he nearly gave out a today fm email address.
It's hard to believe how many people in this thread mods included cannot see how bad a presenter this guy is.

A mistake? If you call getting more listeners a mistake then it's no surprise you're not in Radio.

And giving out the wrong email address after 10+ years of saying the other one....unbelievable eh?

flangemeistro

CountyHurler wrote: »

And why are RTE still using the makey uppey callers to promote the show... You know those "oh motherhood, has been an eyeopener", and "what would you do if you couldnt run........ walk" soundbytes that were used to promote the show before a show had ever been done..

I reckon they'll be using that promo for a long time yet because going on the first three shows they're going to be waiting for any usable sound bites.

hullaballoo

crazygeryy wrote: »

It's hard to believe how many people in this thread mods included cannot see how bad a presenter this guy is.

I'm going to have to ask you to explain this, please.

Chip Whitley

Gits_bone wrote: »

It's mad the number of companies who have switched over to RTE Radio 1 from Today FM.

Gits_bone wrote: »

A mistake? If you call getting more listeners a mistake then it's no surprise you're not in Radio.

And giving out the wrong email address after 10+ years of saying the other one....unbelievable eh?

You don't have to defend Ray against every post. You'll derail the thread being so passive aggressive and you were the very one saying to keep the chat to the radio show.

I used to defend Ray on here all the time about 2 years ago, so I've been there, but after listening to 15 mins of his new show I didn't miss him half as much as I thought I did. In a way I hope it works out for him, but between the hypocrisy of the move, the underwhelming content so far and rehashing of Today FM topics and his lack of ability working the technology, I can't see him maintaining massive figures. I have a feeling any listeners who went with him from Today FM might just leave Today FM on all day, particularly when Tony Fenton comes back. Won't matter though, RTE are ass backwards in that regard. Hector got the boot after being the only presenter to gain listeners in his last run there. Relatively poor figures don't seem to get punished in RTE.

In saying all that, I will look out for whatever Ray does on TV providing it's a 'fun' concept.

L1011

Gits_bone wrote: »

A mistake? If you call getting more listeners a mistake then it's no surprise you're not in Radio.

Making assumptions that there's more listeners when we won't get a JNLR book that gives any level of indication for 6 months (the book out today is 100% Mooney, the next book is 10/12s Mooney, etc) is a very dangerous thing to do.

bbability

hullaballoo wrote: »

I'm going to have to ask you to explain this, please.

Let's get one thing clear. Moderating this thread and my opinion or Nodys opinion or indeed any other moderators opinion on anything has nothing to do with moderating this thread or any other thread. Don't even go there.

Expunge

So, on days 1,2 and 3 of the shiny new D'Arcy Show on Radio 'Won', as he calls it, he has given us observation based opening monologues.
Who will forget the, by now, infamous 1 euro 2 cent RTE soup, the Kindle waking the childer classic and how the English can't pronounce our beautiful, native names in their own country. How very dare they!!!!

By Wednesday at the D'arcy production desk, a picture of which was famously tweeted by the presenter's missus before her new colleagues knew they were her new colleagues, it seems somebody suggested a change of monologue strategy might be needed. It was becoming clear that the presenter is no David Letterman or even Brendan O'Connor when it comes to delivering a monologue.

So yesterday we had a news based opening - Rory McIlroy and his 22 million Euro payout, minimum alcohol pricing etc. The problem with this is that by 3 pm on Radio 'Won', it has been done to absolute death.

Would it not kill him just to play the opening track after a brief 'good afternoon' and contact numbers/ e-mail shout out and then go into an interview?

Why do himself and John Murray and their producers think it's a good idea to do opening monologues when they are both clearly rubbish at it?

There ya go Will, Jenny and Ray, you can have that consultancy for free!

Sideshow Mark

L1011 wrote: »

Making assumptions that there's more listeners when we won't get a JNLR book that gives any level of indication for 6 months (the book out today is 100% Mooney, the next book is 10/12s Mooney, etc) is a very dangerous thing to do.

People really need to stop and think a moment for posting, it's getting like the Monty Python arguement sketch. There's no assumption that D'arcy gets more listeners than Mooney, it's a fact. Today's figures will confirm this again.

Expunge

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

People really need to stop and think a moment for posting, it's getting like the Monty Python arguement sketch. There's no assumption that D'arcy gets more listeners than Mooney, it's a fact. Today's figures will confirm this again.

Apples and oranges.
Yes, Darcy in the morning in a longer slot on Today FM has been posting a higher listenership than Derek Mooney in the afternoon, in a shorter slot on RTE Radio 1.

Until we see a year's worth or more figures in the current timeslot on Radio 1, we can't say if he gets more listeners than Mooney under the same conditions.

But yes, you're not wrong.

L1011

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

People really need to stop and think a moment for posting, it's getting like the Monty Python arguement sketch. There's no assumption that D'arcy gets more listeners than Mooney, it's a fact. Today's figures will confirm this again.

Different show, different time slot, different station. There's many a case where people have been brought over on the assumption that their listener base will move and it doesn't - even in the same time slot and similar audience, e.g. Pat Kenny.

Anyone saying that D'Arcy "has" more listeners than Mooney had on R1 is guessing. Including you.

P. Breathnach

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

... There's no assumption that D'arcy gets more listeners than Mooney, it's a fact....

Of course it's a fact: Mooney isn't on air these days.

The real test is not what happens this week; it's what happens over the next few months. Will people like me, who did not like Mooney's show, listen to D'arcy? And can he retain much of the Mooney audience? [Mind you, I think Mooney was having difficulty maintaining the Mooney audience.]

For me, one data-point in audience figures, the jury is out.

BaZmO*

Sideshow Mark wrote: »

People really need to stop and think a moment for posting, it's getting like the Monty Python arguement sketch. There's no assumption that D'arcy gets more listeners than Mooney, it's a fact. Today's figures will confirm this again.

Today's figures?

wnolan1992

crazygeryy wrote: »

Ps i couldn't believe he nearly gave out a today fm email address.
It's hard to believe how many people in this thread mods included cannot see how bad a presenter this guy is.

To be fair, he's been saying "ray@todayfm.com" for 5 days a week for the past 15 years. That stuff becomes reflex in radio. You don't even think about it. When Ray Foley moved to 98 he gave out the 53102 text number on numerous occasions before catching himself. I really don't think this is any indication of D'Arcy's ability tbh.


Yesterday's show was pretty good IMO. Enjoyed the Carruth interview and the interview with the abortion girl. Even enjoyed the Jason Byrne interview as he's one of the few regular comedians Ray has in that I really like.

The Donna McCaul interview was dire though. Complete and utter cringe at the end when she plugged what felt like 300 things in a row.
And the less said about the patronising opening monologue about drink prices the better.

somesoldiers

I agree, it is very understandable that he would give out the wrong email etc and will continue to do so for some time yet

nc6000

Yes Ray if three brothers who are triplets all get married within 18 months of each other and take turns as best man at each others weddings then the pictures from all three weddings would look quite similar.

:rolleyes:

sudzs

CountyHurler wrote: »

I find the whole "having your missus beside you laughing at your jokes" thing a bit disconcerting. Ray will say something and this laughter just appears out of nowhere... no introduction as to who the other person is or why they are there..

As Id never listened to Ray before I didn't know what was going on with the background voices and laughter either. I only found out from this thread that it was the missus! Not sure what the older generation must make of it... if any of them are still tuning in, that is!

BaZmO*

Brendão wrote: »

I have a feeling any listeners who went with him from Today FM might just leave Today FM on all day

That'd be me. We have a cráp radio in work and it takes ages to tune to different stations. I tuned into Ray on Monday to have a listen and just thought it was more of the same. I tended to put up with him on Today FM as it was a safe bet with all the other shows. Just easier to leave on all day. I think that's why Ray's figures were so high on Today FM. Be interesting to see what his figures will be like when released.