Primary school database

Orion

killbillvol2 wrote: »

If a child was missing 19 days each year the school would probably report them anyway. There's a facility for reporting any student whose attendance is causing concern.

You're confusing mandatory reporting at 20 days with arbitrary reporting when they have a concern. they're not mutually exclusive.

killbillvol2

Orion wrote: »

You're confusing mandatory reporting at 20 days with arbitrary reporting when they have a concern. they're not mutually exclusive.

I'm not confusing anything. I do this four times a year. You said a school was only required to report unexplained absences. You're wrong.

The post you quoted was dealing with a different issue.

Orion

killbillvol2 wrote: »

I'm not confusing anything. I do this four times a year. You said a school was only required to report unexplained absences. You're wrong.

The post you quoted was dealing with a different issue.

They are required to report 20 unexplained absences. They have a separate requirement to report any child protection concerns.

killbillvol2

Orion wrote: »

They are required to report 20 unexplained absences. They have a separate requirement to report any child protection concerns.

Perhaps you could point out the word unexplained?

I'm out.

Orion

I can't but a secondary school principal told me that when I spoke to him about my daughter missing a number of days due to health issues. He explained quite definitely that it was unexplained absences.

That screenshot is old. Tusla is the replacement for NEWB

OU812

The data holding age has been reduced to age 19 BTW. Which I still don't agree with, but it's something. Have a meeting with the principle next week to discuss concerns. I told her that the funding threat had been removed & she hadn't been informed of that yet.

2RockMountain

meeeeh wrote: »

Which is fine but if kids move school mid year, they can teorethically have 19 in each school without Tusla knowing anything.

Surely the new principal should ask the old principal for details of absences, along with other details.

meeeeh wrote: »

Considering you can be prosecuted for not sending kids to school I really don't know what is the issue with centralized data.

Unnecessary and disproportionate. Current situation of reporting by principals gives TUSLA the information they need. Why change this?

killbillvol2 wrote: »

TUSLA then generally does nothing. They don't have the staff. They might act if a child has missed 50 or 60 days. Even then the school would have to submit a separate report outlining what steps have been taken at school level.

This varies locally, depending on local workload and resources.

meeeeh

2RockMountain wrote: »

Surely the new principal should ask the old principal for details of absences, along with other details.

And surely the gardai who were entering the data about the guy who attacked the female taxi driver should enter data about him being on the parole in Pulse. People should do a lot of things. More you centralize data gathering and analysis less chance of an error there is.

2RockMountain

meeeeh wrote: »

And surely the gardai who were entering the data about the guy who attacked the female taxi driver should enter data about him being on the parole in Pulse. People should do a lot of things. More you centralize data gathering and analysis less chance of an error there is.

You're contradicting yourself there at bit - Gardai have the centralised PULSE system, but it didn't really help them.

I'm not sure where you got your 'centralised data gathering is better' from? That's a vast oversimplification, and ignores every principle of Data Protection law. Only data that is required should be collected, so there is no need for Dept Ed to have attendance records for every pupil.

meeeeh

Why not? Considering parents can be prosecuted for kids not attending school so I don't know what has that to do with data protection. You are either in school or you are not.

killbillvol2

Orion wrote: »

I can't but a secondary school principal told me that when I spoke to him about my daughter missing a number of days due to health issues. He explained quite definitely that it was unexplained absences.

That screenshot is old. Tusla is the replacement for NEWB

Here's this year's form - you still won't find the word unexplained. The principal you spoke to was wrong.

killbillvol2

2RockMountain wrote: »

This varies locally, depending on local workload and resources.

I'm sure it does. But EWOs will tell you that they simply wouldn't have the time to chase a family where a child misses 20 days. They have to prioritize and focus on the chronic attenders.

2RockMountain

meeeeh wrote: »

Why not? Considering parents can be prosecuted for kids not attending school so I don't know what has that to do with data protection. You are either in school or you are not.

Because the vast majority of students attend school normally, so TUSLA have no reason to see that data. And for the tiny minority, the school already notifies TUSLA.

So what needs to change from the current situation? What problem will be solved by centralising this data?

constance tench

GDPR (General Data Protection Regulation) comes into play, May 2018.

This new regulation should bring an end to POD shenanigans.

http://www.twobirds.com/~/media/pdfs/gdpr-pdfs/bird--bird--guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation.pdf?la=en

meeeeh

Cool? Which bit, there is 66 pages of content at least?

constance tench

meeeeh wrote: »

Cool? Which bit, there is 66 pages of content at least?

Sixty six pages is not that much-I'm not going to summarise it for you.

Now is as good time as any to familiarise yourself with all of it.

meeeeh

constance tench wrote: »

Sixty six pages is not that much-I'm not going to summarise it for you.

Now is as good time as any to familiarise yourself with all of it.

So you haven't got a clue what you are posting about. Again. If you want to fight a cause it helps if you know what it is about.

constance tench

meeeeh wrote: »

So you haven't got a clue what you are posting about. Again. If you want to fight a cause it helps if you know what it is about.

I have very much 'a clue' what I'm posting about
but I'm not going to pander to you as your quite rude on thread.

BTW It's already summarised for you, try reading the 'at a glance' sections.

meeeeh

constance tench wrote: »

I have very much 'a clue' what I'm posting about
but I'm not going to pander to you as your quite rude on thread.

BTW It's already summarised for you, try reading the 'at a glance' sections.

Yes but I am busy with two kids and a bit dense so I don't understand it that well. Could you let me know what exactly will different after this and what affects government departments and what affects commercial aspects of data gathering?

Moonbeam

http://www.tuppenceworth.ie/blog/ this is well worth reading.

constance tench

Moonbeam wrote: »

http://www.tuppenceworth.ie/blog/ this is well worth reading.

Simon McGarr has done some stellar work on this over the last year or so-
fair play to him!