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forumdedum

What is an advertizzment?

walshb

namloc1980 wrote: »

Micheal Martin talks a lot without saying anything.

A real political leader, so!!! Our new world. Just so many possible things that could possibly offend!!!

Macdarack

Aboy Joe !

thecomedian

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

Nobody wants to see that again but you cannot have the threat of violence holding democracy hostage. If we give in to threats of violence then we may as well just give up altogether.

But why would you want to start a new United Ireland with a divide.

mcmoustache

smurgen wrote: »

Brolly was right.
https://twitter.com/TirEoghainGael/status/1374131622174412807?s=19

I don't think anyone doubts that Campbell is a homophobe and that includes Campbell himself. It's calling him a homophobe on TV that's the problem.

FrancieBrady

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Why do you want the debate to turn into a slagging match?

That gets us nowhere and just shows how a UI will probably never work.

It wasn't, he was trying to make a point about the belligerent Unionist mindset that is all on the public record and he was cut off.

Smee_Again

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

But that is completely unfair and he knows that. His mindset is to prevent a poll from happening altogether. If he believed what he said he would be advocating for a poll now to get an understanding of how people feel.

Unfair? Life isn’t fair. Grow up.

But, the agreement states that Secretary of State may call a referendum when it appears likely a majority will vote for Unification (my paraphrasing) so calling it to get an understanding of how people feel is actually against the agreement.

The secretary also can’t hold a second referendum for 7 years after a failed one so it’s best to wait.

namloc1980

thecomedian wrote: »

But why would you want to start a new United Ireland with a divide.

There's a cohort of unionists who would never ever accept a United Ireland regardless of anything that could be done. You can't pander to them forever.

castletownman

The Taoiseach really doesn't like putting a date on anything does he?

Macdarack

Credit where its due, rarely for Michael Martin but he's a good understanding of a progressive approach to a U. I.

walshb

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't think anyone doubts that Campbell is a homophobe and that includes Campbell himself. It's calling him a homophobe on TV that's the problem.

He also brought in racism...

Brolly had nothing to add...usual bluster to get clickbait

A waffler!

mcmoustache

forumdedum wrote: »

What is an advertizzment?

It's something that you might place in The Examiner when you want more people to buy Barry's Tea.

Leftwaffe

castletownman wrote: »

The Taoiseach really doesn't like putting a date on anything does he?

As useful as a chocolate teapot.

.anon.

mcmoustache wrote: »

I don't think anyone doubts that Campbell is a homophobe and that includes Campbell himself. It's calling him a homophobe on TV that's the problem.

Why is calling a homophobe (who everyone agrees is a homophobe) a homophobe on TV a problem? It's no different to calling him a Unionist, or calling Joe Brolly a barrister.

forumdedum

mcmoustache wrote: »

It's something that you might place in The Examiner when you want more people to buy Barry's Tea.

That's an advertisement?

Mervyn Skidmore

thecomedian wrote: »

But why would you want to start a new United Ireland with a divide.

Why carry on with it divided as is? We have to accept and respect what people vote for, whatever the outcome.

thecomedian

namloc1980 wrote: »

There's a cohort of unionists who would never ever accept a United Ireland regardless of anything that could be done. You can't pander to them forever.

The majority of them will die out.

As said earlier in the show there is a growing middle ground and they are the ones that will decide the majority.
Anyway the way Burton was talking nonsense was wrong. He was giving out good points.

FrancieBrady

Smee_Again wrote: »

Unfair? Life isn’t fair. Grow up.

But, the agreement states that Secretary of State may call a referendum when it appears likely a majority will vote for Unification (my paraphrasing) so calling it to get an understanding of how people feel is actually against the agreement.

The secretary also can’t hold a second referendum for 7 years after a failed one so it’s best to wait.

This was tested in court by Raymond McCord...the SoS can basically call a poll whenever he/she wants and doesn't have to provide any evidence or reasons.
Colin Harvey has been trying to get the current SoS to give specifics but he won't.

It would not be against the GFA (according to the court) for him to call it if he tossed a coin basically.

BonnieSituation

castletownman wrote: »

The Taoiseach really doesn't like putting a date on anything does he?

The man must have so many splinters in him at this point.
He just doesn't say anything and when he does it's brutal.

I can only imagine working in his Dept.

smurgen

walshb wrote: »

He also brought in racism...

Brolly had nothing to add...usual bluster to get clickbait

A waffler!

Brolly was right.

Tyrone212

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The conversations are only happening in their heads

The majority down here don’t really give a toss

Opinion polls in the Republic show a majority for unity so the majority not giving a toss in only happening in your head.

Mervyn Skidmore

Smee_Again wrote: »

Unfair? Life isn’t fair. Grow up.

But, the agreement states that Secretary of State may call a referendum when it appears likely a majority will vote for Unification (my paraphrasing) so calling it to get an understanding of how people feel is actually against the agreement.

The secretary also can’t hold a second referendum for 7 years after a failed one so it’s best to wait.

Thanks for the personal insult. I'm quite aware of what the GFA states.

celt262

Tyrone212 wrote: »

Opinion polls in the Republic show a majority for unity so the majority not giving a toss in only happening in your head.

Opinion polls mean nothing look at Brexit polls.

StevenToast

That was the first time I watched a full episode of claire byrne in years.......

im just relieved Luke O'Neill didnt show up...
....or Bernard O'Shea......

......in a f*cking bubble!!!

NIMAN

StevenToast wrote: »

That was the first time I watched a full episode of claire byrne in years.......

im just relieved Luke O'Neill didnt show up...
....or Bernard O'Shea......

......in a f*cking bubble!!!

Yeah a proper show tonight.

The folk who build the fake sets got a night off.

Tyrone212

A couple of things that weren't mentioned tonight/my thoughts

Unionist majority is high in the over 65s. As high as 60%. That will die out soon.

Leo Varadkar wants a United Ireland. MM does not.

FG/FF in modern times never really wanted or discussed a UI mostly due to fact that they are not established in NI and they wouldn't have a hold on power anymore when a million plus people would join the electorate.

thecomedian

StevenToast wrote: »

That was the first time I watched a full episode of claire byrne in years.......

im just relieved Luke O'Neill didnt show up...
....or Bernard O'Shea......

......in a f*cking bubble!!!

Same here. Delighted not to hear Covid mentioned.
Hopefully it continues

Smee_Again

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This was tested in court by Raymond McCord...the SoS can basically call a poll whenever he/she wants and doesn't have to provide any evidence or reasons.
Colin Harvey has been trying to get the current SoS to give specifics but he won't.

It would not be against the GFA (according to the court) for him to call it if he tossed a coin basically.

Was that case decided? I remember it being argued now that you mention it but I don’t remember reading about a decision.

You’re slightly over egging the pudding Francie, not the toss of a coin but considerable leeway to be fair.

The exercise of discretion must be preceded by the respondent’s assessment of the prevailing circumstances which have and will change over time.”

That discretion must be exercised honestly and based upon the Government’s assessment, using political judgment, of whether a border poll was in the public interest, the court added.

Tyrone212

celt262 wrote: »

Opinion polls mean nothing look at Brexit polls.

Plenty of opinion polls had brexit winning. They were all close whatever way they swayed. A border poll in the Republic yes is 30 40 points ahead of no so its not close. You can't compare it to brexit.