Claire Byrne Live (RTE1)

Laois_Man

Deleted User wrote: »

Would they be on here if they were getting a cheque and royalties?

They wouldn't take the cheque

murpho999

FrancieBrady wrote: »

RTE News showed a prolonged picture of the car in the Donegal accident tonight. I think that is a horrific thing for a family member to see, bad enough for us who are unconnected.

Might be good for other young drivers to see though.

We can't always not show stuff just because it's not pleasant.

FrancieBrady

murpho999 wrote: »

Might be good for other young drivers to see though.

We can't always not show stuff just because it's not pleasant.

Yeh, get your point fully, but timing is everything. I just think it is extremely callous so soon after.

Fann Linn

Only 5 minutes ago CB was discussing horrific experiences being filmed and broadcast and it's effect on the family.


Now CB is discussing a horrific experience being filmed and broadcast and it's effect on the family. And yet a so very different tone.

AndrewJRenko

AllForIt wrote: »

He was/is the leading voice for Brexit and to starve him of oxygen doesn't sound very democratic to me.

A democratic approach would generally involve somebody who has been elected. He's not an MP. He has no party. He's not part of the party that is trying to implement Brexit.

Surely a senior Tory would be far more relevant? Unless RTE is just trolling for clicks.

AllForIt

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

A democratic approach would generally involve somebody who has been elected. He's not an MP. He has no party. He's not part of the party that is trying to implement Brexit.

Surely a senior Tory would be far more relevant? Unless RTE is just trolling for clicks.

Farage is an elected MEP. By your logic any past elected politician should not be consulted. That's absurd.

RabbleRouser2k

Laois_Man wrote: »

They wouldn't take the cheque

Money talks-they would. Years ago (the 90s), a comic book came out about Dahmer or Bundy. The relatives of one victim were angry because they didn't get money from it, and one of the victims was drawn as the wrong race. (He was black irl, the artist made him white-only because he had no photos and was just going by records-no photos were available). The comic showed this killer as the monster he truly was-other publications like Time Magazine had listed him as 'one of the most intriguing people' on their end of year list. It was an indie comic, and the dude never made a significant profit on it-he had another job to pay the bills.

I don't care what they have to say, I genuinely don't. A movie was made about the murder of Brian Murphy by a number of teenagers. (What Richard Did).
The case was more recent, the family never got justice, and nobody ever went to prison.
Yet folks moved on. It's horrible, but that's what you have to do.

Are they ALWAYS gonna come out and try and get stories like this taken down? They did the same to Hollyoaks a few years back, where they whined about a story 'humanizing' a child killer-the story was nixxed.
They got justice, even if that won't replace their son.

But this is the cruellty of life-he's dead, the movie's made, you can't 'take it out of public domain' like dad/ step-dad wants. (I didn't catch if he was her ex husband or her current husband).

donkeykong5

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Laois_Man wrote: »

They wouldn't take the cheque

Money talks-they would. Years ago (the 90s), a comic book came out about Dahmer or Bundy. The relatives of one victim were angry because they didn't get money from it, and one of the victims was drawn as the wrong race. (He was black irl, the artist made him white-only because he had no photos and was just going by records-no photos were available). The comic showed this killer as the monster he truly was-other publications like Time Magazine had listed him as 'one of the most intriguing people' on their end of year list. It was an indie comic, and the dude never made a significant profit on it-he had another job to pay the bills.

I don't care what they have to say, I genuinely don't. A movie was made about the murder of Brian Murphy by a number of teenagers. (What Richard Did).
The case was more recent, the family never got justice, and nobody ever went to prison.
Yet folks moved on. It's horrible, but that's what you have to do.

Are they ALWAYS gonna come out and try and get stories like this taken down? They did the same to Hollyoaks a few years back, where they whined about a story 'humanizing' a child killer-the story was nixxed.
They got justice, even if that won't replace their son.

But this is the cruellty of life-he's dead, the movie's made, you can't 'take it out of public domain' like dad/ step-dad wants. (I didn't catch if he was her ex husband or her current husband).

Hes her current husband. Seems very supportive of her as well. At times she was on the verge of tears.

AndrewJRenko

AllForIt wrote: »

Farage is an elected MEP. By your logic any past elected politician should not be consulted. That's absurd.

And why do you think that they choose him out of all the UK MEPs? Did he add any new analysis or insights? Nah, just his usual old guff, patronising Ireland. He's a professional troll, and RTE facilitated him.

Acosta

murpho999 wrote: »

Might be good for other young drivers to see though.

Or maybe all drivers.

RabbleRouser2k

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And why do you think that they choose him out of all the UK MEPs? Did he add any new analysis or insights? Nah, just his usual old guff, patronising Ireland. He's a professional troll, and RTE facilitated him.

They gave Graham Linehan a spotlight about Trans rights last week, or the week before.

He's pretty much the same thing-professional writer turned professional troll.

RTE love their controversies.

FrancieBrady

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

They gave Graham Linehan a spotlight about Trans rights last week, or the week before.

He's pretty much the same thing-professional writer turned professional troll.

RTE love their controversies.

He's an MEP, which meets Andrew's criteria or maybe it doesn't because he doesn't like what he has to say, which seems to me to be his real criteria. Confused.

AndrewJRenko

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He's an MEP, which meets Andrew's criteria or maybe it doesn't because he doesn't like what he has to say, which seems to me to be his real criteria. Confused.

If you think he was chosen for his MEP status, you're incredibly naive. He's chosen as a rabble rouser, a professional troll. Just a shame that they didn't try asking him some hard questions, say about his kids applying for German passports, or about the lies that he and UKIP put out during the campaign, or about Aaron Banks funding of unaccounted campaign activities or about who made money from the timing of the UK referendum exit polls.

FrancieBrady

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think he was chosen for his MEP status, you're incredibly naive. He's chosen as a rabble rouser, a professional troll. Just a shame that they didn't try asking him some hard questions, say about his kids applying for German passports, or about the lies that he and UKIP put out during the campaign, or about Aaron Banks funding of unaccounted campaign activities or about who made money from the timing of the UK referendum exit polls.

He represents the Brexiteer constituency in the UK and is a full MEP. Just because you don't like him or what he has to say gives you no rights of censorship, which you seem rather overly desperate to have.

AndrewJRenko

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He represents the Brexiteer constituency in the UK and is a full MEP. Just because you don't like him or what he has to say gives you no rights of censorship, which you seem rather overly desperate to have.

That's strange, because when I look at the list of UK MEP constituencies, I don't 'Brexiteer' in the list. Where is this mythical Brexiteer place that you speak of?


He wasn't picked because he represents the South East of England as an MEP. He was picked as a troll, and I really don't want to see current affairs in Ireland going further down the road of 'let's get two extreme positions in studio and let them shout it out'.


But if they do pick a troll, I'd expect some serious questioning, instead of rehashing the usual oul guff.

FrancieBrady

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's strange, because when I look at the list of UK MEP constituencies, I don't 'Brexiteer' in the list. Where is this mythical Brexiteer place that you speak of?

How droll. You do know the word 'constituency' has meanings other that an electoral area...yeh?

a group of people with shared interests or political opinions.
"the right needed to move beyond its blue-blood constituency"

He wasn't picked because he represents the South East of England as an MEP. He was picked as a troll, and I really don't want to see current affairs in Ireland going further down the road of 'let's get two extreme positions in studio and let them shout it out'.


But if they do pick a troll, I'd expect some serious questioning, instead of rehashing the usual oul guff.

No doubt he was picked for his controversial stance but it doesn't get away from the fact that he represents a point of view and is an elected official.
He also meets your previous criteria for selection on current affairs shows - until you realised that criteria wasn't broad enough to cover all the people you don't like and therefore should be censored.

*and Claire Byrne got many kudos here and abroad for questioning him, so maybe revisit that opinion.

RabbleRouser2k

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If you think he was chosen for his MEP status, you're incredibly naive. He's chosen as a rabble rouser, a professional troll. Just a shame that they didn't try asking him some hard questions, say about his kids applying for German passports, or about the lies that he and UKIP put out during the campaign, or about Aaron Banks funding of unaccounted campaign activities or about who made money from the timing of the UK referendum exit polls.

*Sits at his laptop, crying...*

I...just...*sniff* wanted to post...*sniff*...comments.

AndrewJRenko

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How droll. You do know the word 'constituency' has meanings other that an electoral area...yeh?





No doubt he was picked for his controversial stance but it doesn't get away from the fact that he represents a point of view and is an elected official.
He also meets your previous criteria for selection on current affairs shows - until you realised that criteria wasn't broad enough to cover all the people you don't like and therefore should be censored.

*and Claire Byrne got many kudos here and abroad for questioning him, so maybe revisit that opinion.

The only people he represents are the voters of south-east England. Any other claims of representation are as spurious as all his other claims.


And yes, Claire Byrne did get kudos, which speaks volumes about how badly the UK media, especially the BBC have handled Farage et al for the last few years.

AndrewJRenko

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

*Sits at his laptop, crying...*

I...just...*sniff* wanted to post...*sniff*...comments.

Please get back to your homework. The Junior Cert mocks are coming up next week, so you don't have time to waste now.

FrancieBrady

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The only people he represents are the voters of south-east England. Any other claims of representation are as spurious as all his other claims.


And yes, Claire Byrne did get kudos, which speaks volumes about how badly the UK media, especially the BBC have handled Farage et al for the last few years.

He represents part (and a sizeable part imo and the opinion of many others) of the Brexiteer constituency. Which warrants his inclusion no matter what you or I think of his opinion.

Unless you favour censorship then your objections are just evidence tht you don't think opinions you disagree with should air. Which tallies with your objections to Linehan.

Berserker

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The only people he represents are the voters of south-east England. Any other claims of representation are as spurious as all his other claims.

He's the primary poster boy for Brexit. You may not agree with or like him but claiming that he's just some regional politician is nonsense. If you want a pro-Brexit voice, he's the man to talk to.

AndrewJRenko

Berserker wrote: »

He's the primary poster boy for Brexit. You may not agree with or like him but claiming that he's just some regional politician is nonsense. If you want a pro-Brexit voice, he's the man to talk to.

Is he really though? If you want to know what's actually happening with Brexit, would you not want to talk to one of the UK cabinet, perhaps? Someone with actual insight into the current situation? Somebody who is actually dealing with the conflicting requirements of EU and GB, rather than somebody who is pretending that one side doesn't exist?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He represents part (and a sizeable part imo and the opinion of many others) of the Brexiteer constituency. Which warrants his inclusion no matter what you or I think of his opinion.

Unless you favour censorship then your objections are just evidence tht you don't think opinions you disagree with should air. Which tallies with your objections to Linehan.

Sounds like you've fallen for his line. As a matter of indisputable fact, the only thing he represents is the south-east England euro constituency. He might like to think that he represents more, and he definitely likes you to think that he represents more than this, but the facts don't stand up. His former party is in tatters, no MPs, leaders dropping out every few months.


If you want to hear from Brexiteers, there are load of other options.


If the BBC interviewed Ming Flanagan as representing Ireland on any national issue, we'd be laughing all day long. But when RTE do the same, it's apparently an important voice to listen to.

elperello

Why wouldn't the BBC interview Ming about brexit?
He represents a border constituency.

FrancieBrady

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is he really though? If you want to know what's actually happening with Brexit, would you not want to talk to one of the UK cabinet, perhaps? Someone with actual insight into the current situation? Somebody who is actually dealing with the conflicting requirements of EU and GB, rather than somebody who is pretending that one side doesn't exist?



Sounds like you've fallen for his line. As a matter of indisputable fact, the only thing he represents is the south-east England euro constituency. He might like to think that he represents more, and he definitely likes you to think that he represents more than this, but the facts don't stand up. His former party is in tatters, no MPs, leaders dropping out every few months.


If you want to hear from Brexiteers, there are load of other options.


If the BBC interviewed Ming Flanagan as representing Ireland on any national issue, we'd be laughing all day long. But when RTE do the same, it's apparently an important voice to listen to.

Don't you read back what you write? That is just your opinion of him. It has as much weight as somebody who likes what he says.
Current Affairs on RTE have had many Brexiteers over the years since the vote and before. Farage is just one of them.
And even Farage would not pretend to 'represent the country'.

Ming doesn't represent Ireland any more than any other single politician does. Not sure where you are going with this tbh.

AndrewJRenko

elperello wrote: »

Why wouldn't the BBC interview Ming about brexit?
He represents a border constituency.

Why don't you ask the BBC why they haven't interviewed him over the last three years?

AndrewJRenko

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Don't you read back what you write? That is just your opinion of him. It has as much weight as somebody who likes what he says.
Current Affairs on RTE have had many Brexiteers over the years since the vote and before. Farage is just one of them.
And even Farage would not pretend to 'represent the country'.

Ming doesn't represent Ireland any more than any other single politician does. Not sure where you are going with this tbh.

Not opinion - actual fact - the only thing he represents is the Euro voters of south east England. Anything else claimed by him or by you is wishful thinking.

elperello

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why don't you ask the BBC why they haven't interviewed him over the last three years?

Ah here, you said -

"If the BBC interviewed Ming Flanagan as representing Ireland on any national issue, we'd be laughing all day long. But when RTE do the same, it's apparently an important voice to listen to."

I took that to be having a go at Ming rather than complaining about BBC policy.

Please clarify which it is.

FrancieBrady

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Not opinion - actual fact - the only thing he represents is the Euro voters of south east England. Anything else claimed by him or by you is wishful thinking.

Awright Andrew, Nigel Farage is just an MEP who had nothing to do with Brexit.

Stop digging like a sensible chap.

Berserker

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Is he really though? If you want to know what's actually happening with Brexit, would you not want to talk to one of the UK cabinet, perhaps? Someone with actual insight into the current situation? Somebody who is actually dealing with the conflicting requirements of EU and GB, rather than somebody who is pretending that one side doesn't exist?

Farage is, he really is. Brexit has and will define his political career.

Marcusm

Damien360 wrote: »

Of course it is. Think of this scenario and how it effects us.

UK supplier buys in produce from outside EU legally for UK, but without EU knowledge. Ships it to NI, it comes down south and then out into the EU.

No checks or balances if no border.

If the EU got wind of it, all Irish produce would be subject to extra checks and an effective border, hindering our legal seemless trade with the EU.

The UK wouldn't give a damn but we will be destroyed from a trade point of view.

Cynical point of view but considering how the UK ministers have been very two faced in all negotiations with the EU, we should watch them carefully.

You are right in theory but in practice it would be more efficient/effective to police this on the Ireland-Continent routes where there are limited movements and easily identified trusted traders to screen out. However, this would impinge on a fundamental freedom of the EU. Personally I would think that to be a better compromise than ineffectively trying to police a border on Ireland. Also, in reality, this would be if limited scope for produce and food given the ability to get produce to NI then route overland to Rosslare etc. It might be more likely effective for high value high tariff goods but that would also mean that the U.K. would have to drop tariff barriers.

Personally I think pragmatism has been lost from the discussion. The leakage into the Irish domestic market would have absorbable impact, leakage into the EU can be managed more efficiently than a 300 mile land border and phytosanitary issues would likely still be managed between Scotland and NI.