CM PUNK

harrymagina

According to here CM Punk he will be fighting middleweight

http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/weight-classes

But he weighs 220 pounds according to all sources online. How does this work?

T-K-O

Is that his WWF weight?

Either way, almost every fighter will cut weight.

harrymagina

T-K-O wrote: »

Is that his WWF weight?

Either way, almost every fighter will cut weight.

No sure the size of him, he falls into the heavyweight category.

T-K-O

harrymagina wrote: »

No sure the size of him, he falls into the heavyweight category.

To me, his frame is small. He would be a small light heavy.

it's normal for guys to walk around ~15 pound heavier than their fighting weight.

Mellor

harrymagina wrote: »

No sure the size of him, he falls into the heavyweight category.

He's no where near heavyweight.
6'2" and 220lbs is almost the size of Ryan Bader, Glover Teixeira or Rampage. (They'd be 220-225 imo).
I'd say his 220lb statistic from WWE is exaggerated slighty.

Most likely CM Punk is closer to 205-210 and a little soft. Once he's in fight shape, he'll be 10lb lighter. And the cut to 185 is easy from there.

If he was a young amateur fighter, he's probably end up fighting at WW.

G Spark

harrymagina wrote: »

According to here CM Punk he will be fighting middleweight

But he weighs 220 pounds according to all sources online. How does this work?

Why do you think they do weigh-ins?

Hardly any fighter walks around at their weight class limit. Most are between 110%-120% their weigh-in weight. They slowly drop weight leading up to the fight, then in the last week they do a serious cut dropping the last 10-8 lbs. Then they bulk up over the next day anywhere from 10-20lbs. No middleweight fighter actually weighs 185lbs come the fight.

JohnMc1

harrymagina wrote: »

According to here CM Punk he will be fighting middleweight

http://www.ufc.com/discover/sport/weight-classes

But he weighs 220 pounds according to all sources online. How does this work?

He's probably nowhere near 220 lbs. WWE loves to exaggerate wrestlers heights and weights. He's probably just under 200 [190-ish] in real life.

therickster

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He's probably nowhere near 220 lbs. WWE loves to exaggerate wrestlers heights and weights. He's probably just under 200 [190-ish] in real life.

agree, I'd think he's probably about 195-200.

I've meet a few of the WWE guys and he's much smaller than most of them. WWE always add on about 15-20lbs for each fighter.

Be interesting to see how he does, expect he'll have a fight right before Christmas sometime.

veganrun

Any word on when he will be fighting, other than sometime in 2015?

callaway92

They'd love to get him onto the July 11th card w/ Aldo vs McGregor but at an educated guess it will be the big end of year card he is on.

JJayoo

Punk will bring in the PPV figures on his own, zero point putting him on a card with other big draws

scudzilla

JJayoo wrote: »

Punk will bring in the PPV figures on his own, zero point putting him on a card with other big draws

So MMA fans will have to buy tickets for an event headlined by CM? That'll go down well

JohnMc1

JJayoo wrote: »

Punk will bring in the PPV figures on his own, zero point putting him on a card with other big draws

They'll probably put him as a semi main event for his first fight. They'll want to take the pressure of being in the main event off of him for his first fight.

demixed

Even having an 0-0 guy on PPV will be controversial no matter who he is, surely its going to have to be a Fox card??

Wrongway1985

JJayoo wrote: »

Punk will bring in the PPV figures on his own, zero point putting him on a card with other big draws

He'll be on a PPV alright but he's an 0-0 fighter he shouldn't even be co-main (I'm not saying that won't happen James Toney fight was co-main afterall). Have some WWE fans/interested casual come buy PPV for CM Punk win lose or draw hopefully a Mcgregor/Jones/Weidman etc. then retain their viewership. Others are right absolutely daft having a rookie MMA fighter headlining a UFC card and expect fans to buy it.

Mellor

It'd be really foolish from their point of view to have him on the McGregor v Aldo card.
It would also be a bit silly to make him on a Fight Night Card or even on an undercard.
Fight 3 of a 5 fight PPV card makes the most sense to me, but can see the logic to having him as a co-main event.
It's absolutely nonsense if fans (or fighter) act like a main card or co-main spot would be some insult or slight. The very fact we are discussing it long before any opponent is announced gives the fight all the credible popularity is needs to justify that spot imo.

JJayoo

scudzilla wrote: »

So MMA fans will have to buy tickets for an event headlined by CM? That'll go down well

Did I say he would headline a show :rolleyes:

And it won't be MMA fans rushing to buy tickets, CM Punk will have one function and that is to get pro wrestling fans who have never bought a UFC PPV or watched a whole show to buy and watch, and it will pull in huge numbers.

callaway92

JJayoo wrote: »

Did I say he would headline a show :rolleyes:

And it won't be MMA fans rushing to buy tickets, CM Punk will have one function and that is to get pro wrestling fans who have never bought a UFC PPV or watched a whole show to buy and watch, and it will pull in huge numbers.

I wouldn't be too quick to say this.

Numbers will obviously be bumped but they'll be nowhere near huge (whatever you consider "huge" to be).

JJayoo

callaway92 wrote: »

I wouldn't be too quick to say this.

Numbers will obviously be bumped but they'll be nowhere near huge (whatever you consider "huge" to be).

I think huge is a fair description. Punk's fan base is enormous, it absolutely dwarfs the fan base that Brock had. Also the WWE fans are used to buying WWE PPVs so parting with cash is no obstacle.

callaway92

JJayoo wrote: »

I think huge is a fair description. Punk's fan base is enormous, it absolutely dwarfs the fan base that Brock had. Also the WWE fans are used to buying WWE PPVs so parting with cash is no obstacle.

No way.....No way. .

This isn't even a close one in regards to who was the bigger draw coming into the UFC. Lesnar by a country mile..It shouldn't even be questioned (I'm a Huge fan of Pro Wrestling and MMA)

Mellor

callaway92 wrote: »

I wouldn't be too quick to say this.

Numbers will obviously be bumped but they'll be nowhere near huge (whatever you consider "huge" to be).

What do you consider 'huge' to be?
I expect it to do do big numbers and definitely what I would call huge.

JJayoo

callaway92 wrote: »

No way.....No way. .

This isn't even a close one in regards to who was the bigger draw coming into the UFC. Lesnar by a country mile..It shouldn't even be questioned (I'm a Huge fan of Pro Wrestling and MMA)

Well think about all the talk that is happening so far, and Punk is at least 6 months from having a fight. I think Punk has almost an iconic image amongst wrestling fans. He is also a billion times better at talking/promoting than Brock was.

But that's just my opinion..... whch is clearly the right opinion :pac:

It also allows Dana to say that he isn't giving Punk another fighters place on a big card, yet knowing that punk will bring in a big PPV amount of buys all on his own.

callaway92

Mellor wrote: »

What do you consider 'huge' to be?
I expect it to do do big numbers and definitely what I would call huge.

I'd consider 'huge' in 2015 to be 750-800k+ buys.

It depends on the card he's put onto of course how it actually does. A card with something like Mighty Mouse in the main event would be more telling than something along the lines of a Weidman v Belfort main event which will do well anyway.

JJayoo wrote: »

Well think about all the talk that is happening so far, and Punk is at least 6 months from having a fight. I think Punk has almost an iconic image amongst wrestling fans. He is also a billion times better at talking/promoting than Brock was.

But that's just my opinion..... whch is clearly the right opinion :pac:

It also allows Dana to say that he isn't giving Punk another fighters place on a big card, yet knowing that punk will bring in a big PPV amount of buys all on his own.

'I think Punk has almost an iconic image amongst wrestling fans'

Ehm, no he doesn't. His career was actually a huge let down with him leaving so early into his peak.

'a billion times better at talking/promoting than Brock was'

Have you seen any interview he has done yet since signing? He seems very quiet, laid back, shy and almost nervous in everything he has said, which from a fan's perspective is disappointing. He has to be humble though. Brock can hold his own on a microphone. For some reason, people often say he's not a great talker. His stuff with Frank Mir was perfect.

He was a great talker in pro wrestling, yes, but pretty much everything for him in WWE was scripted.

'But that's just my opinion..... whch is clearly the right opinion'

Good man, yeah. . .

Mellor

JJayoo wrote: »

Well think about all the talk that is happening so far, and Punk is at least 6 months from having a fight.

Around 9-12 months, I think. He said recently they were looking at something in Nov/Dec. Possibly early 2016.
Which as you said, only gives them more time to build steam.

callaway92 wrote: »

I'd consider 'huge' in 2015 to be 750-800k+ buys.

That's more or less what I'd call huge too tbh.
And honestly, I think he'll get close.

Ehm, no he doesn't. His career was actually a huge let down with him leaving so early into his peak.

Thats probably the best way to maintain interest tbf.
If his peak was said and done 5 years ago, this story wouldn't get as much attention

JohnMc1

demixed wrote: »

Even having an 0-0 guy on PPV will be controversial no matter who he is, surely its going to have to be a Fox card??

Punk will not be fighting on Fox. Punk was brought in to boost their dying PPV buys. They want us to pay $60 for Punk's first MMA fight. No way they're going to give that novelty away for free.

DuckHook

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Punk will not be fighting on Fox. Punk was brought in to boost their dying PPV buys. They want us to pay $60 for Punk's first MMA fight. No way they're going to give that novelty away for free.

In fairness anybody paying a ppv for punks first fight needs to hand over the bank cards and be locked up.

Depp

am i the only one that thinks punk is gunna surprise everyone with his debut? I doubt he'll fight untill hes absolutely ready and with the money hes made from wrestling and the buzz around his debut he'll have access to the best trainers and gyms he'll be well drilled...cant wait for the fight and im fairly sure ill be backing him, serious balls to make a move like that

pauldoo

I think putting him on something like the mcgregor card is perfect. I would think not a lot off MMA fans will buy a card specifically for CM Punk, but a load of WE fans will.

Putting him on a Mcgregor card will get the following;
1. turn a massive event in to much bigger one. The will get a bump of WWE fans whether it's a small UFC card or a big one
2. Have a load of WWE fans buy a great card, which they watch and potentially become full MMA fans
3. Having a showman like mcgregor might be more to the taste of a WWE fan, keeping their interest for future events
4. Having him on a huge card would entice casual MMA fans to buy considering you have 2 title fights and "want to see the wrestler get smashed"

The UFC have a chance to broaden it's customer base here, I would think they'll be taking full advantage. I would be shocked if he's on a small card

Tony and Lesnar both had fairly big main events? Nog v silvia and Penn v Frankie

Sounds like he's no where near ready anyway

Dtp1979

Has cm punk any background at all in fighting?

Mellor

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Has cm punk any background at all in fighting?

A couple of years of BJJ at this stage.

JohnMc1

DuckHook wrote: »

In fairness anybody paying a ppv for punks first fight needs to hand over the bank cards and be locked up.

True,but Zuffa is banking on the wrestling fans that left once Brock went back to the WWE will want to see Punk's fights.

Dtp1979 wrote:

Has cm punk any background at all in fighting?

Just some training at the Gracie Academy in Torrance, but considering how often WWE would be in CA that would be once every couple of months.

So in nutshell. No. Nothing for him to really hang his hat on.

JJayoo

JohnMc1 wrote: »

True,but Zuffa is banking on the wrestling fans that left once Brock went back to the WWE will want to see Punk's fights.




Just some training at the Gracie Academy in Torrance, but considering how often WWE would be in CA that would be once every couple of months.

So in nutshell. No. Nothing for him to really hang his hat on.

Rener Gracie is married to Eve Torres who is in the WWE so Rener used to travel around with the WWE crew a lot. Punk and Rener would train together, but still it wouldn't have been very frequent.

JohnMc1

JJayoo wrote: »

Rener Gracie is married to Eve Torres who is in the WWE so Rener used to travel around with the WWE crew a lot. Punk and Rener would train together, but still it wouldn't have been very frequent.

Eve hasn't been with the WWE for a few years now. Plus the Divas have a lighter travel schedule.

John_D80

Just been reading a few old articles about CM Punk and one thing popped up a few times that really made my teeth grate.

He calls himself a ''white belt for life''. Surely I can't be the only one that finds this highly pretentious. Who does he think he is??

Not that it was needed, but a further indication that he is in for a short sharp awakening when he gets in the octagon. Maybe not in his debut but it's coming.

Mellor

John_D80 wrote: »

He calls himself a ''white belt for life''. Surely I can't be the only one that finds this highly pretentious. Who does he think he is??

What's the issue with that?

I assume that he doesn't train often enough in the gi to grade. Rather than purposely sandbagging so he can roll with beginners.

Depp

also hes not literally saying that hes going to remain a white belt, he means he'll always be learning, he explained this the first time he used the phrase, would've called that humble rather than pretentious myself...

John_D80

Mellor wrote: »

What's the issue with that?

I assume that he doesn't train often enough in the gi to grade. Rather than purposely sandbagging so he can roll with beginners.

I certainly don't reckon it to be anything like he's deliberately sandbagging. A guy of his high profile would never get away with it for long and plenty guys train nogi only and still go up through their belts in fairness.

I just think it showed poor understanding and respect of the traditions from a guys that's training with such high level instructors.

Depp wrote: »

also hes not literally saying that hes going to remain a white belt, he means he'll always be learning, he explained this the first time he used the phrase, would've called that humble rather than pretentious myself...

If he did mean it from a learning for life standpoint then that's fair enough if he didn't mean it literally. I only read a few references to it. Humility and jiu jitsu do go hand in hand I guess.

I read a cool transcript of a conversation between a black belt and a white belt recently that kinda highlights that. Went something like:

BB: Hey I watched you in your last roll, you did really well.
WB: wow thanks, I thought I got killed.
BB: no you did good, have you been training long?
WB: no, not long at all, couple of months, I'm just a beginner .
BB: cool, me too. Anyway keep it up and I'll see you around.

Hand slap, fist bump, Black belt walks off, leaving White belt open mouthed, pondering life and the universe.

T-K-O

Cool story Bro.

JohnMc1

John_D80 wrote: »

Just been reading a few old articles about CM Punk and one thing popped up a few times that really made my teeth grate.

He calls himself a ''white belt for life''. Surely I can't be the only one that finds this highly pretentious. Who does he think he is??

Not that it was needed, but a further indication that he is in for a short sharp awakening when he gets in the octagon. Maybe not in his debut but it's coming.

The funny thing about that whole "white belt for life" bit in the Ariel helwani interview he contradicted himself a couple of seconds later by saying no one has ever offered him a belt promotion.

Dtp1979

JohnMc1 wrote: »

The funny thing about that whole "white belt for life" bit in the Ariel helwani interview he contradicted himself a couple of seconds later by saying no one has ever offered him a belt promotion.

Not even vince McMahon??

John_D80

T-K-O wrote: »

Cool story Bro.

Thanks bro. Glad you liked it enough to take the time to comment.

The Ayatolla

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Not even vince McMahon??

He's had those just never a Wrestlemania main event :P

but1er

http://youtu.be/P4IZbCl6iR4 good training from cm punk

breadmonkey

Anyone heard anything on this? Think it's now just over a year since they announced that he had signed for the UFC.

T-K-O

Didn't he injure himself in training

The Ayatolla

Summer. Dana White currently looking for an opponent as part of his "Looking for a Fight" internet show. It will be likely someone outside the UFC from a different promotion.

JohnMc1

Despite not having an actual fight in the UFC yet. CM Punk is apart of the upcoming UFC 2 game.

http://whatculture.com/gaming/cm-punk-confirmed-for-ea-sports-ufc-2.php

I shudder to think what stats they'll give him.

ASOT

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Despite not having an actual fight in the UFC yet. CM Punk is apart of the upcoming UFC 2 game.

http://whatculture.com/gaming/cm-punk-confirmed-for-ea-sports-ufc-2.php

I shudder to think what stats they'll give him.

Bruce Lee was in the last game so I'm not quite sure what the outrage is about.

The Ayatolla

ASOT wrote: »

Bruce Lee was in the last game so I'm not quite sure what the outrage is about.

It's the once-upon-a-time die-hard WWF "attitude era" fans who now claim they never watched "that fake sh!t" having a tissy fit because the UFC are including a current signed fighter in their game that will likely result in more sales than 75% of the remainder of the roster.

Professional Griefer

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Despite not having an actual fight in the UFC yet. CM Punk is apart of the upcoming UFC 2 game.

http://whatculture.com/gaming/cm-punk-confirmed-for-ea-sports-ufc-2.php

I shudder to think what stats they'll give him.

The lowest possible until he can prove otherwise apparently..

John_D80

The Ayatolla wrote: »

It's the once-upon-a-time die-hard WWF "attitude era" fans who now claim they never watched "that fake sh!t" having a tissy fit because the UFC are including a current signed fighter in their game that will likely result in more sales than 75% of the remainder of the roster.

Most MMA fans have an issue with him being in the UFC full stop, and his background is irrelevant to them. I, and most of my friends that are MMA fans, have never managed to sit through more than 5 minutes of that WWE guff.

No one I know that thinks he shouldn't be in the UFC was ever a WWE fan in fact. He shouldn't be in the UFC, plain and simple. Objections to him being in the game are just an extension of these feelings.

So far he has brought nothing to the sport whatsoever, besides a few soundbites and quoted tweets, And he certainly wont be solely responsible for anywhere even remotely near 75% of sales of this game. First UFC game sold just fine without him