Timidity of the British Media

reprise

end of the road wrote: »

i don't have to live in the uk to understand why. its because they are gullible and believe these lot will deliver what they want. they won't deliver it because they can't. UKIP is a joke party and are just as much on the take as the rest of them

Hi end of the road.

I am still waiting for your response to my post challenging your assertion that there is no such thing as political correctness.

Normally, It doesn't bother me if someone fails to answer a post of mine and I despise the bullies that harass other posters for answers to loaded questions or quotes out of context.

However, my question was not loaded. It merely asks that you substantiate your claim as you have made the same claim before and I suspect will make the same claim again.

I find a number of your posts almost offensive in your refusal to engage or offer a rebuttal, broader in scope, than "not at all".

So, if you don't mind, would you please answer my question.

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

There are pensioners in the UK who have to decide whether to put the heating on or have a hot meal, when a Somali family can come over & move into a 4 bed house in Kensington, be given all the benefits they can get, walk around with iphones brand new trainers etc etc

And the free car, don't forget that.

Help!!!!

Why is it that the people on here that are Pro-Muslim don't seem to have set foot outside Ireland.

end of the road

Help!!!! wrote: »

There are pensioners in the UK who have to decide whether to put the heating on or have a hot meal

thats due to paracitic private companies on the take and screwing people, and the government failing to stand up to them. sadly, that won't change as the main political parties believe in that system.

Help!!!! wrote: »

a Somali family can come over & move into a 4 bed house in Kensington

maybe they had money of their own. just because they came to the uk from a failed state doesn't mean they are destitute with nothing. it would be asylum that they would be looking for.

Help!!!! wrote: »

be given all the benefits they can get, walk around with iphones brand new trainers etc etc

UK citizens get all the benefits they can get also as long as they fit all the requirements. asylum seekers obviously fit all the requirements so get the benefits, thats the systems fault. if they have iphones and new trainers, they are no different to some UK citizens who are on benefits

end of the road

Help!!!! wrote: »

Why is it that the people on here that are Pro-Muslim don't seem to have set foot outside Ireland.

pro mudlimz. lol. its called showing respect for others. you know, how most people are brought up.

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

Why is it that the people on here that are Pro-Muslim don't seem to have set foot outside Ireland.

Who here is "pro-muslim"?

By the way, you earlier referred to "some that are just sick of the way the non muslins are treated in the U.K." - what way are non-muslims treated in the UK?

reprise

end of the road wrote: »

pro mudlimz. lol. its called showing respect for others. you know, how most people are brought up.

Hi end of the road, do you think you might answer my question now?

Sociopath2

end of the road wrote: »

thats due to paracitic private companies on the take and screwing people, and the government failing to stand up to them. sadly, that won't change as the main political parties believe in that system.



maybe they had money of their own. just because they came to the uk from a failed state doesn't mean they are destitute with nothing. it would be asylum that they would be looking for.



UK citizens get all the benefits they can get also as long as they fit all the requirements. asylum seekers obviously fit all the requirements so get the benefits, thats the systems fault. if they have iphones and new trainers, they are no different to some UK citizens who are on benefits

You've been asked to back up a couple of statements you have made and you're constantly dodging any questions that probe the veracity of the wild claims you are making.

It would contribute greatly to the debate if you answered them.

Help!!!!

Nodin wrote: »

Who here is "pro-muslim"?

By the way, you earlier referred to "some that are just sick of the way the non muslins are treated in the U.K." - what way are non-muslims treated in the UK?

There are parts of the UK where those on the council are Muslim, Muslims coming into the country are given council houses. People who have worked for many years & making ends meet on minimum wage get no help at all
True story & the man involved is African, I know cause I worked with him

end of the road

Nodin wrote: »

Who here is "pro-muslim"?

By the way, you earlier referred to "some that are just sick of the way the non muslins are treated in the U.K." - what way are non-muslims treated in the UK?

dayz na gettin na dole init

Nodin

Help!!!! wrote: »

There are parts of the UK where those on the council are Muslim, Muslims coming into the country are given council houses. People who have worked for many years & making ends meet on minimum wage get no help at all
True story & the man involved is African, I know cause I worked with him

So you're saying that county councils are corruptly awarding houses to people who just come off the plane/boat.

Have you anything to back this up, other than anecdote?

reprise

end of the road wrote: »

dayz na gettin na dole init

Hi end of the road,

Do you think you could take a minute from your hilarious contributions to answer my question?

end of the road

Help!!!! wrote: »

There are parts of the UK where those on the council are Muslim

shockin!!!!! begorra begosh. who'd have thought it, muslims on their local council. well i never. of course, they could have been born in the uk.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Muslims coming into the country are given council houses.

yes, and?

Help!!!! wrote: »

People who have worked for many years & making ends meet on minimum wage get no help at all

because they don't fit the requirements. the requirements might be wrong, and probably they are, but if one doesn't fit them, then there is nothing that can be done for them.

Sociopath2

reprise wrote: »

Hi end of the road,

Do you think you could take a minute from your hilarious contributions to answer my question?

Maybe get Nodin to ask him, he also believes people should back up their statements.

What say you Nodin, should end of the road explain his statements or should we just take his word for it?

wretcheddomain

It's possible to be pro-Muslim and anti-Islam at the same time by the way.

wretcheddomain

wretcheddomain wrote: »

It's possible to be pro-Muslim and anti-Islam at the same time by the way.

I think that's an easy mindset in a Catholic country where hardly anyone believes in it and those that do pick the nice parts.
Everyone thinks Islam is the same when it's really not. Muslim communities have a far higher number of believers and parts of that belief are shocking.

Look up any of the dozens of polls on their opinions. I don't think it's racist in any way to look at the religion's tenets, the percentage of people who strongly believe in them and then read the poll data on their thoughts on atrocities carried out in the name of their religion.

Pug160

beks101 wrote: »

It's quite popular to rant against the media and how 'you're letting the terrorists win!' at the moment. The reality, however, is that there are very very serious safety and security considerations to be taken into account with the broadcasting and publication of controversial subjects relating to terrorism - and with that, subjects of Islam - that can make them a minefield for media organizations.

The usual course is that any news script or provocative cartoon or ISIS etc videos are run through the company's Standards and/or Rights and Clearances departments and their lawyers will decide on the path to take in terms of what is safely and responsibly reportable and what could land the company in very murky legal waters and put employees' safety at risk. The lawyers decide based on their own professional judgement; not the editors or producers who put any particular news programme or newspaper together.

And each company will be different. If my memory serves me, the BBC and Channel 4 DID choose to show several Charlie Hebdo cartoons in their TV reports. ITN and many others did not. As much as people like to lump all journalists together, the fact is that they are not a collective group with a collective approach to these things and reporting will vary according to the legal advice they are getting.

And back to the safety considerations. In the aftermath of Paris, security measures in my work building, a big media office in the heart of central London, were ratched up to the point of making some of our day-to-day tasks near impossible. New armed security personnel patrolling the building. Two forms of ID needed from any employee or guest trying to enter the building. 48 hours notice required for any guests who may need to enter the building.

Because in the current environment, we are targets. And it doesn't take much to incite. A German newspaper was firebombed for reprinted the Hebdo cartoons last week.

And let's not forget, as emotive and provocative a subject as this is, as devastating as the last few weeks' events have been and as much as people love to finger point for any reason when it comes to media matters...these cartoons don't just only characterize free speech; they also represent a lack of respect for other people's religion, which is a ticking timebomb in terms of the environment of increasing terrorism and violence and attacks on the west that we find ourselves in.

The head of the MI6 said the very same last week. So what everyone likes to call 'tip-toeing around the subject' and 'neglecting their journalistic integrity' is in fact the navigating of some very deep waters which believe it or not, is also infuriating to many journalists whose hands are tied in terms of what and how they can report these events.

Satire, by its very nature is a lack of respect. But it does tend to be an equal opportunity pursuit. If this was some kind of witch hunt that was only focused on trying to humiliate Muslims I think there would probably be a certain amount of sympathy, and rightly so, as that would seem biased and unfair. But that is not the case. Any religion or group is fair game when it comes to satire - or should be.

I can see what you're trying to say: that it's an extremely delicate situation and that a certain amount of compromise is needed or expected under such circumstances. But that goes against what a progressive, civilised society is all about, and could cause problems of its own. To me, these extremists are attempting to ride two horses: they're expecting all the comforts of a civilised society but with their own rules included.

As for the ticking timebomb, offensive magazines are probably the tip of the iceberg. It's a timebomb that's ticking anyway, fanned by the recent wars and other, more profound events.

* I didn't mean compromise is anti progressive, but under these cirumstances I think it is.

RWCNT

Help!!!! wrote: »

There are pensioners in the UK who have to decide whether to put the heating on or have a hot meal, when a Somali family can come over & move into a 4 bed house in Kensington, be given all the benefits they can get, walk around with iphones brand new trainers etc etc

Do you not have a taxi to be driving?

I live in the UK, putting a St. George's Flag up doesn't make you a racist but only a racist would ever hang one outside their gaff. It's a weird one.

I Saw that program and despite all the bull****. what annoyed me more was the responses by the muslims outside the mosque, to the YOBS! neither of which were any better than the other.

The idiot wannbe master race type right wingers are chanting whatever they can to make a scene, frankly they're just a gang of disenfranchised layabouts on benefits. society is better of without them.

The muslims resond by saying, "your mother will be muslim, your sister will be muslim, we're takin ova the UK yea!". Fact is, that's the attitude of tons of muslims and it's there at a mosque for all to see, have a look yourself. The stuff Ian O Doherty loves to write about.

These are the types you see in rotheram!! so called devout muslims hellbent on degrading the kafir women!!