Zimbabwe gives white farmers 90 days to vacate farms in latest land grabs.

Nodin

Sonderkommando wrote: »

What do you mean by the crocodile tears of 4000 white people? You're mask is slipping.

crocodile tears "for" not "of".

Your own mask is somewhat transparent.

Sociopath2

Nodin wrote: »

"herrenvolk" remark meant I thought they shouldn't come here? Try reading that post again.

No the rest of your post did. Herrenvolk is a clear Nazi reference. Why was that necessary?

That poster was discussing ancestral right to return. We extend it in a certain form to people of irish lineage, whose ancestors may have left Ireland quite a number of years ago, through eligibility for irish passports.

Can you clarify what you meant by the herrenvolk comment like a good man?

Eramen

ireland.man wrote: »

Let's not be moronic or tricky. Most posters who are bemoaning the situation of white Zimbabweans are not in favour of increasing asylum seeker numbers into Europe and Ireland whereas the majority of the left-wing posters are.

Why would we increase numbers above present levels? We have decidedly finite resources/negative cash flows/budget deficits. It would not be wise at all.

Infrastructure is already creaking at the seams and adding more people to the equation will worsen it. Like wasn't a portion of the London sewer system shut down for a couple days last year because it was blocked by tampons and other junk?

Our services and cities were not designed for the sheer numbers we have today, but for the natural population curve (if even). Most of Europe is not talking about increasing migrant numbers, but decreasing, because of this realistic concerns. So be careful what you wish for.

ireland.man

Sonderkommando wrote: »

What do you mean by the crocodile tears of 4000 white people? You're mask is slipping.

I obviously mean the crocodile tears of people on this thread. You know that and are trying to misdirect things because it's too hard to engage other people's ideas, right?

Crocodile tears come from people who otherwise want to bar immigrants and asylum seekers who are in genuine need but favour the letting in thousands of other people in need because of their race.

RobYourBuilder

ireland.man wrote: »

Let's not be moronic or tricky. Most posters who are bemoaning the situation of white Zimbabweans are not in favour of increasing asylum seeker numbers into Europe and Ireland whereas the majority of the left-wing posters are.

We take in much, much more asylum seekers than anywhere else in the developed world - http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77923000/gif/_77923075_destinations_by_regions_20140916_v2.gif

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24636868

I never proposed giving the Zims of European descent asylum. I proposed that we give them an ancestrial visa, allow them work where there are labour shortages and for them to earn citizenship. No welfare, no acting the bollix.

Nodin

Sociopath2 wrote: »

No the rest of your post did. Herrenvolk is a clear Nazi reference. Why was that necessary?

/QUOTE]

Because the only the reason a number of posters here give a crap about white farmers in Africa is because they are white.

ireland.man

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

We take in much, much more asylum seekers than anywhere else in the developed world - http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77923000/gif/_77923075_destinations_by_regions_20140916_v2.gif

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24636868

I never proposed giving the Zims of European descent asylum. I proposed that we give them an ancestrial visa, allow them work where there are labour shortages and for them to earn citizenship. No welfare, no acting the bollix.

Which is a great idea, genuinely! But can we not allow black farmers in too into regions that need farm labourers? Can we allow them a track towards citizenship and allow their generations to develop the land too? Is that acceptable to you personally?

If it is, we're in agreement with one of the solutions to the situation in Zimbabwe.

Letree

ireland.man wrote: »

Crocodile tears come from people who otherwise want to bar immigrants and asylum seekers who are in genuine need but favour the letting in thousands of other people in need because of their race.

It was me you were responding to with the crocodile tears comment. Where have i said i want to bar asylum seekers.

Nodin

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

We take in much, much more asylum seekers than anywhere else in the developed world - http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/77923000/gif/_77923075_destinations_by_regions_20140916_v2.gif

Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-24636868

I never proposed giving the Zims of European descent asylum. I proposed that we give them an ancestrial visa, allow them work where there are labour shortages and for them to earn citizenship. No welfare, no acting the bollix.

And those of mixed race?

reprise

ireland.man wrote: »

Let's not be moronic or tricky. Most posters who are bemoaning the situation of white Zimbabweans are not in favour of increasing asylum seeker numbers into Europe and Ireland whereas the majority of the left-wing posters are.

And you speak for all of them right?

Do you even know what you are talking about?

Why in God's name would any sane individual want to increase the numbers of asylum seekers anywhere given the rampant abuse by economic migrants and welfare tourists in their midst?

There is a global argument for proper administration of temporary protection for bona fide refugees, permanent, if no solution is found within a given time-frame as per UNHCR design.

Sonderkommando

Nodin wrote: »

crocodile tears "for" not "of".

Your own mask is somewhat transparent.

I am against the mistreatment of any person based on race or ethnicity.

It seems the interests of persecuted whites are not worthy of media attention or discussion by people such as yourself.

Merrion

RobYourBuilder wrote: »

so perhaps giving them the option of returning to the mothership could help sort this mess.

Mothership? Is that you Tom?

Sociopath2

Nodin wrote: »

Sociopath2 wrote: »

No the rest of your post did. Herrenvolk is a clear Nazi reference. Why was that necessary?

/QUOTE]

Because the only the reason a number of posters here give a crap about white farmers in Africa is because they are white.

So you're saying that poster, and his suggestion, are comparable to the Nazi because the people concerned are white?

His suggestion being a system that is already in place, and that many of those people could possibly be already eligible for, be extended to skilled workers, who will probably integrate well, have some assets so they would be self sufficient and not a burden on the state.

reprise

jank wrote: »

They aren't, so your wild hypothetical question is useless but we'll done on trying to pigeon hole people into the 'racist box'. All too predictable.

QFT

Eramen

ireland.man wrote: »

I obviously mean the crocodile tears of people on this thread. You know that and are trying to misdirect things because it's too hard to engage other people's ideas, right?

Crocodile tears come from people who otherwise want to bar immigrants and asylum seekers who are in genuine need but favour the letting in thousands of other people in need because of their race.

You were waiting awhile to get that one out, eh?

But if you overlook their odd crocodile tears, stern views on migration, and preference for their own people, I think you'll find the Japanese to be a great bunch of lads.

Duzzer

Only just in on this thread. What's wrong with giving a persecuted minority asylum. Especially in this case where it can be verified.

reprise

Eramen wrote: »

You were waiting awhile to get that one out, eh?
.

The money shot.

reprise

Duzzer wrote: »

Only just in on this thread. What's wrong with giving a persecuted minority asylum. Especially in this case where it can be verified.

Apparently, according to the left collective, they may have mixed race or something.

Duzzer

reprise wrote: »

Apparently, according to the left collective, they may have mixed race or something.

Most of the left collective have low self esteem that's why they want who they perceive as the downtrodden to like them. I think I said that to Nodin before and he knows in his heart it is true! Won't admit it though


MOD: User banned for continually ignoring mod warnings.

Nodin

Sonderkommando wrote: »

I am against the mistreatment of any person based on race or ethnicity.

................

Which is why you linked to the words of one of America's most notorious racists earlier- The love of humanity.

Smiles35

Eramen wrote: »

You were waiting awhile to get that one out, eh?

But if you overlook their odd crocodile tears, stern views on migration, and preference for their own people, I think you'll find the Japanese to be a great bunch of lads.

Yeah. I remember how well their farming went in China. Boo-hoo

reprise

Duzzer wrote: »

Most of the left collective have low self esteem that's why they want who they perceive as the downtrodden to like them.

I'm not sure it's that simple. There is no self esteem problem with people who seem to think they speak representatively of entire continents of people and indeed, races. Quite the opposite I suspect.

ireland.man

Sonderkommando wrote: »

I am against the mistreatment of any person based on race or ethnicity.
.

You linked to a very racist speech by a man who inspired a racist mass murderer to bomb a federal building in America, wiping out a creche full of children in that building!

Why can't some posters on this thread not realise that if you make, link to or support race-based arguments, then others are allowed to mention the word race in reply!

I swear the thread is filled with overly sensitive princesses who want to say what they like but who recoil in horror when others bring them up on it

catallus

Everyone's a racist, when you dig deep enough.

reprise

ireland.man wrote: »

You linked to a very racist speech by a man who inspired a racist mass murderer to bomb a federal building in America, wiping out a creche full of children in that building!

Why can't some posters on this thread not realise that if you make, link to or support race-based arguments, then others are allowed to mention the word race in reply!

I swear the thread is filled with overly sensitive princesses who want to say what they like but who recoil in horror when others bring them up on it

Maybe the princesses are merely reflecting that deep and unswerving obsession with race you are projecting.

Eramen

catallus wrote: »

Everyone's a racist, when you dig deep enough.

Even the ould 'liberals' we have up and down the country? Some of the most vocal supporters of rabid internationalism I dare say - aloft in their gated communities & professions, exclusive work-places, and their privately schooled children.. Seemingly far away from the real problems of society.



Say it ain't so!

ireland.man

Eramen wrote: »

Even the ould 'liberals' we have up and down the country? Some of the most vocal supporters of rabid internationalism I dare say - aloft in their gated communities & professions, exclusive work-places, and privately schooled children.. Seemingly far away from the real problems of society.



Say it ain't so!

Eh what country are you from? Just curious...

reprise

Eramen wrote: »

Even the ould 'liberals' we have up and down the country? Some of the most vocal supporters of rabid internationalism I dare say - aloft in their gated communities & professions, exclusive work-places, and privately schooled children..



Say it ain't so!

They don't post on boards!

The cargo cultists mind.....

qt3.14

It's Rhodesia.

ireland.man

Eramen wrote: »

Even the ould 'liberals' we have up and down the country (mostly you know where)? Some of the most vocal supporters of rabid internationalism I dare say - aloft in their gated communities & professions, exclusive work-places, and privately schooled children.. Seemingly far away from the real problems of society.



Say it ain't so!

This, and the constant droning on about libtards, social justice warriors, cultural marxists, etc, etc... these aren't political opinions, they're psychoses!

ireland.man

qt3.14 wrote: »

It's Rhodesia.

What is?

Sociopath2

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Nodin wrote: »

So you're saying that poster, and his suggestion, are comparable to the Nazi because the people concerned are white?

His suggestion being a system that is already in place, and that many of those people could possibly be already eligible for, be extended to skilled workers, who will probably integrate well, have some assets so they would be self sufficient and not a burden on the state.

Are you going to reply properly and explain why you think it's justified that you are comparing that poster to the Nazis for his suggestion, or should we just take it that you throw around sly insults like that because you don't like views different from your own?

ireland.man

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Sociopath2 wrote: »

Are you going to reply properly and explain why you think it's justified that you are comparing that poster to the Nazis for his suggestion, or should we just take it that you throw around sly insults like that because you don't like views different from your own?

My guess is because he's using a essentialist conception of race and extending from there most of his political beliefs on how immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers and possibly others should be dealt with.

It's not a personal attack or even necessarily an objectively negative thing but it is a description of what he has said regarding white Zimbabweans,

reprise

ireland.man wrote: »

What is?

Zimbabwe

Eramen

ireland.man wrote: »

This, and the constant droning on about libtards, social justice warriors, cultural marxists, etc, etc... these aren't political opinions, they're psychoses!

A real liberal, in the classic sense, would be against the current globalisation of people and capital that we see today. Do you think this free movement of people and resources promotes equality, economic fairness, a stable environment for a person to live their life and grow into themselves? You must be joking.

No.. they suit large transnational corps, corrupt governmental bureaucracies, and let's not forget the nefarious political ideologues which thrive in this environment. This world-view serves to divide people; it ascribes man a purely economic personality only - while nullifying his true character potential - which are his special family bonds, sex, culture, ethnic group, customs, history and his actual identity, the things that make him who he is, unique and valuable. True world-diversity is sidelined in this way.

Instead we get an empty shell of a man, viewed for his monetary value only. Yes, a real liberal would be quite against this world-view!

Instead what you call 'liberalism', 'social-democrat', 'socialism', 'diversity', 'multiculturalism', 'LGBT'... etc.. are just pseudo-moralities that the mafia who currently rules the Western world finds acceptable as they will never get in their way or provide a solution to the fact that they dominate most aspects of civil society, and ultimately do not exercise this power in our favour.

Man finds hope, rectitude, strength when we has access and can express his identity, and the common collective identity that he shares with others around him. It's his culture - our Irish-European culture - a series of commonly held values and principles shared by a common people. The same is true for all distinct peoples. This is what makes the world beautiful, no apologies! Have confidence in your people!

There I said it. Make-believe never was my thing. How a person might limit themselves by absorbing themselves in a leftist paradigm has always been beyond me, especially as it's so superficial and unintelligible when faced with real life practice. It must make one feel all warm and fuzzy inside.. because it's certainly intellectually void. As another poster said, so-called leftism is merely a self-esteem issue.

reprise

ireland.man wrote: »

using a essentialist conception of race
,

Isn't that the essence of....... what's that word the collective love?......

matthew8

So much faux outrage on this thread about racism. What makes Zimbabwe notable compared to the rest of Africa is that it was in pretty decent shape a while ago and has been ruined. In a world where we focus so much on economic development it's a pretty big deal that a country would actually go so far backwards purely through government policy.

Sociopath2

ireland.man wrote: »

Sociopath2 wrote: »

My guess is because he's using a essentialist conception of race and extending from there most of his political beliefs on how immigrants, refugees, asylum seekers and possibly others should be dealt with.

It's not a personal attack or even necessarily an objectively negative thing but it is a description of what he has said regarding white Zimbabweans,

It's an inherently negative implication, designed to undermine an opposing, but very reasonable, argument by comparing it to Nazi ideals.

As I and that other poster have pointed out the circumstances and precedent for this already exist.

Nodin hasn't addressed any of the points I made beyond a "they only care because they're white".

ireland.man

Eramen wrote: »

A real liberal, in the classic sense, would be against the current globalisation of people and capital that we see today. Do you think this free movement of people and resources promotes equality, economic fairness, a stable environment for a person to live their life and grow into themselves? You must be joking.

No.. they suit large transnational corps, corrupt governmental bureaucracies, and let not forget the nefarious political ideologues which thrive in this environment. This world-view serves to divide people; it ascribes man an economic personality only - while nullifying his true character potential - his family, sex, culture, ethnic group, customs, history and his actual identity, the things that make him who he is, unique and valuable. True world-diversity is sidelined in this way.

Instead we get an empty shell of a man, viewed for his monetary value only. Yes, a real liberal would be quite against this world-view!

Instead what you call 'liberalism', 'social-democrat', 'socialism', 'diversity', 'multiculturalism', 'LGBT'... etc.. are just pseudo-moralities that the mafia who currently rules the Western world finds acceptable as they will never get in their way or provide a solution to the fact that they dominate most aspects of civil society, and ultimately do not exercise this power in our favour.

There I said it. Make-believe never was my thing. How a person might limit themselves by absorbing themselves in a leftist paradigm has always been beyond me, especially as it's so superficial and unintelligible when faced with real life practice. It must make one feel all warm and fuzzy inside.. because it's certainly intellectually void.

wow, we're 99% in agreement! I'm not a liberal for all the reasons you pointed out (and neither are Marxists, anarchists, etc)

Letree

Sociopath2 wrote: »

ireland.man wrote: »

Nodin hasn't addressed any of the points I made beyond a "they only care because they're white".

Nodin asks questions, he gives very little back.

Herb Powell

Eramen wrote: »

Instead what you call 'liberalism', 'social-democrat', 'socialism', 'diversity', 'multiculturalism', 'LGBT'... etc.. are just pseudo-moralities that the mafia who currently rules the Western world finds acceptable as they will never get in their way or provide a solution to the fact that they dominate most aspects of civil society, and ultimately do not exercise this power in our favour.

?????

reprise

ireland.man wrote: »

wow, we're 99% in agreement! I'm not a liberal for all the reasons you pointed out (and neither are Marxists, anarchists, etc)

Are you speaking for yourself, or are you still carrying the "majority of the left", who you earlier claimed wanted more "asylum seekers".

satguy

It's nice to see the Zimbabweans getting their land back, their forefathers only had spears when men with guns took it from them.

It's just a pity that the people that are getting this land are not good farmers..

pablomakaveli

So what this thread has come down to is a group of people are being evicted because of their ethnicity and people are being called racist for showing concern?

Stuff like this makes me despair for humanity.

ireland.man

pablomakaveli wrote: »

So what this thread has come down to is a group of people are being evicted because of their ethnicity and people are being called racist for showing concern?

Stuff like this makes me despair for humanity.

So the poster who posted an overtly racist video by a man who wrote the Turner Diaries which were influential in pushing a mass murderer to kill hundreds, including dozens of children... is it wrong to use the term racist in that situation?

pablomakaveli

ireland.man wrote: »

So the poster who posted an overtly racist video by a man who wrote the Turner Diaries which were influential in pushing a mass murderer to kill hundreds, including dozens of children... is it wrong to use the term racist in that situation?

Then call him racist if you want to. You came on this thread implying loads of posters were racist.

matthew8

ireland.man wrote: »

So the poster who posted an overtly racist video by a man who wrote the Turner Diaries which were influential in pushing a mass murderer to kill hundreds, including dozens of children... is it wrong to use the term racist in that situation?

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It's just trying to make an extremely tenuous link between a poster and mass murder.

ireland.man

matthew8 wrote: »

That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. It's just trying to make an extremely tenuous link between a poster and mass murder.

Tenuous link? The poster told us to watch a good video explaining the situation at hand, the video was one created by a known racist. The video itself was racist.

If you're so sensitive about not being seen as advocating racial preferences, you might want to start by criticising the overtly racist stuff in your midst!

reprise

ireland.man wrote: »

Tenuous link?

Yes.

Sociopath2

ireland.man wrote: »

Tenuous link? The poster told us to watch a good video explaining the situation at hand, the video was one created by a known racist. The video itself was racist.

If you're so sensitive about not being seen as advocating racial preferences, you might want to start by criticising the overtly racist stuff in your midst!

I believe you were the one who took issue with posters suggesting visas/citizenship be extended to displaced white farmers. You were insisting it was racist not to do the same for black farmers.

Black farmers are not being displaced in Zimbabwe. They generally lack the cultural and nationality links that were the basis of that posters suggestion. They generally lack the skills and expertise that would be the basis for skilled worker visas.

So although the circumstances didn't apply to black farmers at all, you're crying racist that they are not being considered.

There's a race angle here alright, but since whites are the victims some people are having to perform mental gymnastics so they can be offended on behalf of black Zimbabweans
.