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Zimbabwe gives white farmers 90 days to vacate farms in latest land grabs.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    reprise wrote: »
    Yes.

    So if I posted an overtly anti-Semitic video criticising Jewish people in Israel, and from a well-known anti-Semite and Holocaust denier, would you be wrong in using the term "anti-Semitic" to describe me or my post or that video?


  • Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Eramen


    wow, we're 99% in agreement! I'm not a liberal for all the reasons you pointed out (and neither are Marxists, anarchists, etc)

    Remember Marxism is the reduction of man to the material level. Here there is no soul, no mother culture, no meaning to be gained from special familial bonds. Even art, architecture and literature becomes rigid and representational, denying the transcendent within and without man & nature.

    It's easy to see how internationalism has its roots in these ideas of nominal materialism, because if the above human qualities are sidelined then everyone is rendered basically 'the same', same flesh, same needs, same functions. Suddenly borders should not exist, or differences in the sexes, ethnic groups, talent & abilities, behaviors or even among individual people. This is how Marxists/egalitarians see it. Thus we become a world of workers, which is an economic concept, striving exhaustively to reach some sort of material equilibrium which is called 'equality'. Anyone who might question this basically denies reality, as the equality advocate will tell you, because they are laying claim to something more than the material, which is something they don't believe possible.

    In effect you must 'leave' all these meaningful prior groups to join the new group of the world human, the worker, the believer. It's a cult-like behavior.

    The problem is this equilibrium doesn't exist, because 'equality' is only possible when you deny all the previous values that held people together, culture, customs, distinct identities etc - and this can never actually done - nor should such a thing be done. People thrive in their own individual nature and collective culture, and never willingly give it up.

    But this is exactly what people need as it's so important; it's this belonging and sense of place that 'traditional', normative groups afford them that make us as people so successful, fruitful and capable of the greatest feats of self-overcoming. The family, societies, roots, culture, tradition, history, language - these are what nature provides, for good reason too.

    People live for and through others, and this is how we acquire meaning. Marxists/socialists/'liberals' will never understand this unless they leave the political religion which has commandeered their identity for so long. It's a shame that we are being made to march to the beat of the equality world-dream again. "I am not a number, I am a free man!" Yet I remain hopeful that we will come to our senses :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    I believe you were the one who took issue with posters suggesting visas/citizenship be extended to displaced white farmers. You were insisting it was racist not to do the same for black farmers.

    Black farmers are not being displaced in Zimbabwe. They generally lack the cultural and nationality links that were the basis of that posters suggestion. They generally lack the skills and expertise that would be the basis for skilled worker visas.

    So although the circumstances didn't apply to black farmers at all, you're crying racist that they are not being considered.

    There's a race angle here alright, but since whites are the victims some people are having to perform mental gymnastics so they can be offended on behalf of black Zimbabweans
    .

    Black farmers are not being displaced but far, far more black Zimbabweans are. They're escaping to South Africa in huge numbers, a country that is far from welcoming. There's been pogroms in which Zimbabweans have been lynched there. Most Zimbabweans are victims of the horrible ruling elite there.

    What I said was that it's wrong to provide special treatment to one group of Zimbabweans but deny the same rights to their grandchildren in the case that they might have had a black mother. Do you agree?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Black farmers are not being displaced but far, far more black Zimbabweans are. They're escaping to South Africa in huge numbers, a country that is far from welcoming. There's been pogroms in which Zimbabweans have been lynched there. Most Zimbabweans are victims of the horrible ruling elite there.

    What I said was that it's wrong to provide special treatment to one group of Zimbabweans but deny the same rights to their grandchildren in the case that they might have had a black mother. Do you agree?

    Same sneery racist tripe repackaged yet again.

    He agrees, you call him a racist. He doesn't, you ask him again.

    That about the size of it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Eramen wrote: »
    Remember Marxism is the reduction of man to the material level. Here there is no soul, no mother culture, no meaning to be gained from special familial bonds. Even art, architecture and literature becomes rigid and representational, denying the transcendent within and without nature.

    It's easy to see how internationalism has its roots in these ideas of nominal materialism, because if the above human qualities are sidelined then everyone is rendered basically 'the same', same flesh, same needs, same functions. This is how Marxists/egalitarians see it. Thus we become a world of workers, which is an economic concept, striving exhaustively to reach some sort of material equilibrium which is called 'equality'.

    In effect you must 'leave' all these meaningful prior groups to join the new group of the world human, the worker, the believer. It's a cult-like behavior.

    The problem is this equilibrium doesn't exist, because 'equality' is only possible when you deny all the previous values that held people together, culture, customs, distinct identities etc - and this can never actually done (nor should it be). People thrive in their own individual nature and collective culture, and never willingly give it up.

    But this is exactly what people need; it's the belonging and sense of place that 'traditional', normative groups afford them that make us so successful, fruitful and capable of the greatest feats with self-overcoming. The family, societies, roots, culture, tradition, language - these are what nature provides, for good reason too. People live for and through others, and this is how we acquire meaning. Marxists/socialists/'liberals' will never understand this unless they leave the political religion which has commandeered their identity for so long.

    It a shame that we are being made to march to the beat of the equality world-dream again. "I am not a number, I am a free man!" Yet I remain hopeful that we will come to our senses :)

    The reduction of all humans to mere workers is a capitalist development. Marx believed that people would be free to build closer bonds to each other if they weren't chained to the coal mine cart all day long. Culture, familial bonds, true personal freedom, called the superstructure in Marxism, can be best nurtured by a reduction in work, increase in working conditions and a less oppressive regime than capitalism and consumerism imposes.

    And you can't lump liberals and Marxists together since if you're talking about freedom and the modern world, they're absolutely miles apart.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    Black farmers are not being displaced but far, far more black Zimbabweans are. They're escaping to South Africa in huge numbers, a country that is far from welcoming. There's been pogroms in which Zimbabweans have been lynched there. Most Zimbabweans are victims of the horrible ruling elite there.

    What I said was that it's wrong to provide special treatment to one group of Zimbabweans but deny the same rights to their grandchildren in the case that they might have had a black mother. Do you agree?

    White farmers are being driven out of Zimbabwe because they are descendants of Europeans. It was suggested that they be extended European visas for the same reason. Many may already be eligible for visas or passports.

    Eligibility requirements for such things usually require one parent/grandparent of the required nationality so having a black mother is no barrier.
    It does show your obsession with race, as if it is the sole characterising feature of a person.

    Black Zimbabweans generally won't meet the visa/passport criteria so that route just isn't open to them. There is no special program for whites at the expense of blacks being proposed here. Skilled worker visas, citizenship eligibility and ancestral right to return concepts already exist in Europe. Black Zimbabweans have the right to apply for asylum, just as Nodin pointed out all humans do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭Ostrom


    Eramen wrote: »
    Remember Marxism is the reduction of man to the material level. Here there is no soul, no mother culture, no meaning to be gained from special familial bonds. Even art, architecture and literature becomes rigid and representational, denying the transcendent within and without nature.

    You've got it backwards. Capitalism is the reduction of man to the material - this is the basis of Marx's critique of industrial society. The category of labour in Marxism is used to show how human creativity, including art, literature, science, etc are central to social life. Das Kapital is full of references to classical philosophy, poetry, literature, satire - these are the essence of human life. The whole point of capital was to show how these become obscured and relegated under capitalism due to its prioritisation of wage work. It's a classic misreading to confuse Marx's method of inquiry with his substantive criticism - the former requires taking apart the fundamentals of social order devoid of subjective meaning, the latter details what we stand to gain from social change (where unfortunately, my agreement ends).


  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭malibu4u


    We send this sh*thole roughly €7.5 million per annum in foreign aid.

    Time we stopped. Many white Zimbabweans/Rhodesians - well maybe 5 or 10% have Irish names and ancestry, and are only a few generations out of Ireland. Of course we should allow them back...with perhaps the proviso they are not entitled to social welfare for 2 years or whatever. Most I think would be hard working and industrious. Or maybe we should spend some of the 7.5 million helping those people in Ireland set up businesses or farms. Instead of Ireland importing nearly all our vegetables they could grow them and earn their keep.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    *sigh* the Zimbabwean policy is a knee-jerk reaction to decades of oppression from 'white' rulers; it is, at its most basic, implementing the exact opposite policy! All well and good crying about the white man being oppressed but this is a case of the 'white man' being made to drink from the well he made those in Zimbabwe drink from.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭JONJO THE MISER


    Many south Africans i have met here say there country will be like Zimbabwe in
    10 years.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,813 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Might be an interesting read for anyone who is actually interested in zimbabwe, in fact the entire article is pretty good

    http://www.minorityrights.org/4504/zimbabwe/zimbabwe-overview.html#current


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Ah Robert Mugabe. The sooner that crazy old prick dies the better.

    Remember what Chris Rock said a while back about white americans "owning" the sins of their white forefathers? Similarly, white europeans are "owning" the distress of their white Zimbabwean cousins. Maybe?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    malibu4u wrote: »
    Time we stopped. Many white Zimbabweans/Rhodesians - well maybe 5 or 10% have Irish names and ancestry, and are only a few generations out of Ireland. Of course we should allow them back...with perhaps the proviso they are not entitled to social welfare for 2 years or whatever. Most I think would be hard working and industrious. Or maybe we should spend some of the 7.5 million helping those people in Ireland set up businesses or farms. Instead of Ireland importing nearly all our vegetables they could grow them and earn their keep.

    I wouldn't give them welfare until they became citizens. Perhaps a small relocation grant at the start would suffice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    I wouldn't give them welfare until they became citizens. Perhaps a small relocation grant at the start would suffice.

    So you'd like to see those descendants of European settlers come back to Europe if they're under severe threat? Me too, but would you like to see all the descendants of those settlers, even those of mixed-race background return here?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    So you'd like to see those descendants of European settlers come back to Europe if they're under severe threat? Me too, but would you like to see all the descendants of those settlers, even those of mixed-race background return here?

    Are you suggesting that children wave their parents off at the airport or are you still trying to call him a racist? If it's the latter, why not get it out of your system and skip the foreplay.


  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    So you'd like to see those descendants of European settlers come back to Europe if they're under severe threat? Me too, but would you like to see all the descendants of those settlers, even those of mixed-race background return here?

    You asked me the same question and I responded. When it was clear I had no issue with it you didn't respond at all.

    Instead you have asked another poster the same question again in the hope he will give the wrong answer and you can scream racist after you didn't get any satisfaction out of me.

    You're continually asking loaded questions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    reprise wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that children wave their parents off at the airport or are you still trying to call him a racist? If it's the latter, why not get it out of your system and skip the foreplay.

    No, I'm obviously talking about the wider population of children who are descendants of settlers but who have had a black mother, or grandmother, etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    You asked me the same question and I responded. When it was clear I had no issue with it you didn't respond at all.

    Instead you have asked another poster the same question again in the hope he will give the wrong answer and you can scream racist after you didn't get any satisfaction out of me.

    You're continually asking loaded questions.

    I thought I agreed with you! I thought your point was very reasonable and I'm all for it. I'd be happy to see vulnerable Zimbabweans be given passage to Europe. Apologies if I didn't reply, it was a slip.


  • Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    No, I'm obviously talking about the wider population of children who are descendants of settlers but who have had a black mother, or grandmother, etc.

    If you're going to insist on asking all posters the same question, add a poll.

    How about you read my last response to you and give me your opinions on that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    If you're going to insist on asking all posters the same question, add a poll.

    How about you read my last response to you and give me your opinions on that?

    I've asked that same poster that same question? What was his answer?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    No, I'm obviously talking about the wider population of children who are descendants of settlers but who have had a black mother, or grandmother, etc.

    No, you are obviously looking to shoehorn a race angle in as you kept trying to do yesterday.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    reprise wrote: »
    No, you are obviously looking to shoehorn a race angle in as you kept trying to do yesterday.

    Why did you choose me to level that allegation against and not the person who posted a racist video of the author of the Turner Diaries? Surely that poster brought a focus on race when you say this thread isn't about that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    I've asked that same poster that same question? What was his answer?

    Seeing as you find his answer more interesting than anyone else's for some bizarre reason, Why not pm him?


  • Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Sonderkommando


    Why did you choose me to level that allegation against and not the person who posted a racist video of the author of the Turner Diaries? Surely that poster brought a focus on race when you say this thread isn't about that.

    That video was about the hypocrisy of western liberals. Clearly you did not watch the video.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Why did you choose me to level that allegation against and not the person who posted a racist video of the author of the Turner Diaries? Surely that poster brought a focus on race when you say this thread isn't about that.

    Because I exercised my discretion as an adult to ignore the video, just as you should be capable of doing so.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    That video was about the hypocrisy of western liberals. Clearly you did not watch the video.

    I did and I quoted from it too, you know the bit when he says white settlers taught blacks how to behave :)

    It's a racist video, he's a racist and no-one here seems to care about that but by God they'll complain if any 'liberals' point it out!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    I did and I quoted from it too, you know the bit when he says white settlers taught blacks how to behave :)

    It's a racist video, he's a racist and no-one here seems to care about that but by God they'll complain if any 'liberals' point it out!

    The money shot!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Was it worth the wait?

    You could have called him a racist yesterday you know?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    So I think these farmers shouldn't be kicked off their land. They're a vulnerable group and so I'm in favour of giving them passage to Europe. I think so too should many of the black Zimbabweans who are also suffering from extreme persecution in that country.

    I think we almost all agree, right?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    So I think these farmers shouldn't be kicked off their land. They're a vulnerable group and so I'm in favour of giving them passage to Europe. I think so too should many of the black Zimbabweans who are also suffering from extreme persecution in that country.

    I think we almost all agree, right?

    I think the fact that race is such an emotive issue for you, that maybe you ain't ready for that kind of result.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    So you'd like to see those descendants of European settlers come back to Europe if they're under severe threat?

    I think I've answered this question numerous times even though I've stated my position in my opening piece.

    Anyway, interesting article;
    This got me thinking further.  I recall the time that I spent in the UK (2004-2009), when so many Zimbabwean asylum seekers arrived on the UK’s shores.  Whilst many of them were genuine asylum seekers, I personally know quite a few – who are not. As it happens, I know of a few black South African’s who posed as Zimbabweans, fake documents in hand and managed to pull the wool successfully over the home office’s eyes.  Some were not so lucky but just take a walk down the streets of Luton, Leeds, Coventry, Birmingham, Leicester and Milton Keynes and you will find that many, many were.  Do not misunderstand me, this is not an attack on genuine asylum seekers, the world needs to take care of it’s vulnerable, however the issue of Mr. Huntley seems to have exposed (as much as I hate to admit it) a double standard in the system.
    Can white people be refugees?

    I mean that sentence in its entirety.  Can we actually BE refugees?  With such well-established opinions on what refugees are, could we ever be seen as such especially if (and I’m not convinced Mr. Huntley would fall into this category) he had a genuine claim?

    My Mother is Zimbabwean.  I have cousins who still live there – but one of my cousins who left for the UK with his wife, was allowed there ONLY because she has British Citizenship.  I know of a great deal of white Zimbabweans who, with no access to EU passports were denied refugee status in the UK.  The irony here of course, is that one could argue that black Zimbabweans voted in Mr. Mugabe (and I have personally witnessed debates in the UK by black Zimbabweans singing his praises, who are in the UK by virtue of asylum and refugee status), yet after getting rid of the evil white farmers, they then went running back to their erstwhile colonial power.  Forgive me but this seems all too much like a fait accompli on the part of the Zimbabwean government.


    http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Offended-egos-aside-could-whites-actually-BE-refugees-20140622

    We accept hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers every year, who are not exactly genuine here in Europe. Surely we should take in the 30k or so Zimbabweans of European descent and give them the opportunity to work towards citizenship in their ancestral homeland?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    I think I've answered this question numerous times even though I've stated my position in my opening piece.

    Anyway, interesting article;





    http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Offended-egos-aside-could-whites-actually-BE-refugees-20140622

    We accept hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers every year, who are not exactly genuine here in Europe. Surely we should take in the 30k or so Zimbabweans of European descent and give them the opportunity to work towards citizenship in their ancestral homeland?

    We definitely should take in those Zimbabweans of European descent and give them the opportunity to work towards citizenship! I guess my only question again and again is if that would apply to all descendants, even individuals of mixed race who may be in a vulnerable position (because of political targeting, etc).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    We definitely should take in those Zimbabweans of European descent and give them the opportunity to work towards citizenship! I guess my only question again and again is if that would apply to all descendants, even individuals of mixed race who may be in a vulnerable position (because of political targeting, etc).

    Who are you asking now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    reprise wrote: »
    Who are you asking now?

    Em the person I directly quoted.

    You suddenly appear and make a sneak attack, usually about 'psychological problems of the liberals' or 'social justice warriors' and disappear again. What exactly is your opinion, if you have one?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Em the person I directly quoted.

    you mean the person who stated on this very page, within the last hour:
    I think I've answered this question numerous times even though I've stated my position in my opening piece.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93976556&postcount=182

    How many times do you want him to answer the damn question?
    You suddenly appear and make a sneak attack, usually about 'psychological problems of the liberals' or 'social justice warriors' and disappear again.

    I don't believe I have ever used the term 'social justice warriors' in any post here or anywhere else, feel free to prove me a liar.
    What exactly is your opinion, if you have one?

    I already gave it here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93961770&postcount=111

    If you weren't so busy building strawmen and chasing phantom racists out from under your bed, you might have read the posts from people interested in the debate and not the toe curling witch hunt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    reprise wrote: »
    you mean the person who stated on this very page, within the last hour:



    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93976556&postcount=182

    How many times do you want him to answer the damn question?



    I don't believe I have ever used the term 'social justice warriors' in any post here or anywhere else, feel free to prove me a liar.



    I already gave it here:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=93961770&postcount=111

    If you weren't so busy building strawmen and chasing phantom racists out from under your bed, you might have read the posts from people interested in the debate and not the toe curling witch hunt.

    Ah sorry, I didn't notice your argument about sympathising with white Zimbabwean but being against them being given asylum seeker status (or the equivalent) in Europe.

    Makes sense!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭reprise


    Ah sorry, I didn't notice your argument about sympathising with white Zimbabwean but being against them being given asylum seeker status (or the equivalent) in Europe.

    Makes sense!

    You didn't notice that argument because I didn't make it.

    I am not a spokesman for Europe nor is there, to my knowledge, an entity that currently decides such policy for Europe exclusively. The recognised international authority for refugees is the UNHCR and they deal with matters of protection.

    I would be happy to be guided by them as to the most appropriate solution, as per my previous post.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭ireland.man


    reprise wrote: »
    You didn't notice that argument because I didn't make it.

    I am not a spokesman for Europe nor is there, to my knowledge, an entity that currently decides such policy for Europe exclusively. The recognised international authority for refugees is the UNHCR and they deal with matters of protection.

    I would be happy to be guided by them as to the most appropriate solution, as per my previous post.

    We agree (it's becoming my catchphrase on this thread)!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    We definitely should take in those Zimbabweans of European descent and give them the opportunity to work towards citizenship! I guess my only question again and again is if that would apply to all descendants, even individuals of mixed race who may be in a vulnerable position (because of political targeting, etc).

    They are called "Goffals" in Zimbabwe and live in their own communities. Anglo/Shona, Anglo/Ndebele, Asian/Shona and many mixed race derivatives. Most are unable to trace their direct ancestry. If they were able to prove that they have European ancestry and qualify for the visa - then ok.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has been appointed the new chairman of the 54-nation African Union.

    Friday's announcement was made during the African Union's two-day heads of state summit at the organisation's headquarters in Ethiopia's capital, Addis Ababa.

    The 90-year-old Mugabe, who has ruled his country since 1980, succeeds Mauritania's President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz.

    "During my tenure as chair," he said, "I will deliberately provoke your thoughts to pay special attention to issues of infrastructure, value addition, agriculture and climate change".

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/01/mugabe-appointed-african-union-chairman-150130190208635.html

    Mugabe is the new presiding chairman of the African Union. He wants to pay special attention to Africa's agricultural policies. You couldn't make it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2015/01/mugabe-appointed-african-union-chairman-150130190208635.html

    Mugabe is the new presiding chairman of the African Union. He wants to pay special attention to Africa's agricultural policies. You couldn't make it up.

    How the hell did he manage that


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Gatling wrote: »
    How the hell did he manage that

    It's rotating. He just had to stay alive long enough and he'd get it eventually.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Gatling wrote: »
    How the hell did he manage that

    I thought it was rotational, but it only rotates by region. The assembly of the AU elected Mugabe to the role. FFS!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If anyone deserves to be politically asssinated it's him


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,922 ✭✭✭Egginacup


    http://www.news24.com/Africa/Zimbabwe/Zim-set-to-give-white-farmers-90-days-to-vacate-farms-20150122



    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe

    From the bread basket of Africa to a basket case. Western leaders need to cut off all aid and reimpose sanctions. Perhaps European countries could offer the Whites relocation here and a pathway to citizenship? They are clearly not wanted in Zim, so perhaps giving them the option of returning to the mothership could help sort this mess.


    They could start first by giving back land to Palestinian farmers who were kicked off and told to fuck off.
    Maybe then allow the displaced and murdered citizens of Diego Garcia.
    After that maybe give back the lands pinched from the Navajo, Apache, Sioux, Cheyenne, etc.

    Maybe after that we can address the issue of land theft (or would it be reappropration?) in Africa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Egginacup wrote: »
    They could start first by giving back land to Palestinian farmers who were kicked off and told to fuck off.
    Maybe then allow the displaced and murdered citizens of Diego Garcia.
    After that maybe give back the lands pinched from the Navajo, Apache, Sioux, Cheyenne, etc.

    Maybe after that we can address the issue of land theft (or would it be reappropration?) in Africa.

    Don't forget about Crimea and eastern Ukraine


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Nodin wrote: »
    It's rotating. He just had to stay alive long enough and he'd get it eventually.

    Can you cite sources to back this claim up please.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Can you cite sources to back this claim up please.


    I thanked the post that corrected mine, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭lightspeed


    Mugabe and his mob must be the most rottenest bunch of scumbags to ever come to power on this planet.

    But do they have to pay for water charges? Rabble Rabble


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Egginacup wrote: »
    They could start first by giving back land to Palestinian farmers who were kicked off and told to fuck off.
    Maybe then allow the displaced and murdered citizens of Diego Garcia.
    After that maybe give back the lands pinched from the Navajo, Apache, Sioux, Cheyenne, etc.

    Maybe after that we can address the issue of land theft (or would it be reappropration?) in Africa.

    What has any of the above got to do with the topic at hand? Should rename this site whataboutery.ie.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe may be allowed in to the European Union to attend high-level meetings in his new role as chairman of the African Union, despite a long-standing travel ban, the EU said on Tuesday.

    The 90-year-old Mugabe, one of Africa's most divisive figures, ascended to the rotating chairmanship of the AU last Friday, casting a shadow over the continental body's relations with the West.

    The 28-nation EU, which imposed sanctions on Zimbabwe in 2002 to protest reported human rights abuses and violations of democracy under Mugabe, has gradually scaled back sanctions over the last few years to encourage political reform.

    But it has kept Mugabe and his wife, Grace, under an asset freeze and a ban on traveling to the EU.

    EU spokeswoman Catherine Ray said the visa ban on Mugabe and his wife remained in place, but Mugabe could be granted an exemption to travel to Europe "in exceptional cases" for inter-governmental meetings that promoted the EU's goals of democracy, human rights and rule of law in Zimbabwe.

    Mugabe would still need authorization from EU governments under the exemption if he were to travel to Europe as chairman of the African Union.

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0L72DM20150203?irpc=932

    The only part of the EU this loon should be allowed visit, is The Hague.


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