36,000 Irish adults illegally download every day

somesoldiers

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

It's a right pain where we are because UPC is available about 5 miles down the road from us at a decent speed

UPC wireless isn't available 5 feet away from the horizon box in a lot of cases so I wouldn't miss it too much

The_Valeyard

36,000 using Irish IP.


Rest on proxy.

VinLieger

OSI wrote: »

iTunes, Google Play and Amazon and a few others all will gladly sell or even rent you movies.

Im not paying 3.99 to rent a movie cus its not the year 2000, thats a ridiculous pricing structure, I want to pay a monthly fee and have access to content whenever I want. Its quite simple really this is all available for free so why dont they try to compete using readily available technology? Because its a hell of a lot easier to make it illegal and make people criminals than actually providing a reasonable service.

username000

OSI wrote: »

iTunes, Google Play and Amazon and a few others all will gladly sell or even rent you movies.

Can you give me a link to where I can legitimately get American Sniper please?

Frank O. Pinion

techdiver wrote: »

You will only really get the blu-ray remux's after the blu-ray release in most instances. So you would have to wait for in or around 6 months between cinema release before a decent 1080op quality copy of a movie is available for download.

It's usually only 3-4 months for the Blu-ray remuxes, which I have no problem waiting. Tonight's film is The Book of Life (in 3D), which was in the cinema in October. Tomorrow night is Dracula Untold, again, October release.

OSI wrote:

just admit you don't want to pay for it.

I don't want to pay for it.

cloud493

Meh, I have a bookcase of blu rays and video games, I go the cinema at least a few times a week, I don't feel bad about downloading stuff considering how far behind sky/netflix can be.

wes

The effects of piracy on the entertainment industry is imho exaggerated. The only group that it would have a tangible effect on, are on the smaller players. For the big guys, there pulling numbers of thin air, that don't add up.

VinLieger

wes wrote: »

The effects of piracy on the entertainment industry is imho exaggerated. The only group that it would have a tangible effect on, are on the smaller players. For the big guys, there pulling numbers of thin air, that don't add up.

Exactly anyone ever heard about the 8 billion dollar ipod?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0

Egginacup

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Picked up today in both the Indo & the IT

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/more-than-36000-watch-illegal-videos-every-day-survey-shows-30929869.html

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/study-shows-over-36-000-irish-adults-downloading-illegally-1.2075451





The report also maintains that the legal alternatives such as Spotify & Netflix aren't making any inroads into these figures.
The averages tell us that 1 in 5 illegally download, anecdotally speaking I'd say that's about right but then they share amongst their friends so the reach is further than the 20%.
The 3 strike rule is a token gesture at best as it's no real disincentive, plus I've never known anyone to be issued one of these scary letters.

I'm not sure how the eventual endgame will play out but whatever solution is reached it will have to be enacted worldwide.
We have the ridiculous situation now where people have watched most of the Oscar worthy films in the comfort of their own home before they even reach Irish cinemas.

If something doesn't change the studios & record companies will just give up developing product, what's the point if they don't get paid for it.

The record companies and studios will just have to evolve to the changing nature of technology. And what is the "3 strike rule"?

The Diabolical Monocle

no real excuse, it is theft.
then again so is the tv license paid to not watch the shyte offered up by the govt.
the govt in turn gets robbed by the banks who own the studios in question.
everyones stealing from everyone else. so in fact you're administering justice and should really be paid for it.

it'll probably end up that product placement will act as the new incentive to the film industry, we'll be watching free films but they'll be 40% film 60% advert.

Tugboats

hadepsx wrote: »

well if they didnt charge so much for entry/food in the cinemas id go more often and download less.

no you wouldnt

somesoldiers

Last time I rented a dvd from Xtravision, I found it quite annoying that I had to sit through a video on piracy and numerous warnings despite being a legitimate user....

MOH

I'm paying €160 TV tax every year for content I never watch, from a broadcaster who can't schedule stuff properly.

I'd probably get at least 10 seasons worth of box sets of shows second hand for that.
Or a Netflix account for €108.

TheDoc

OSI wrote: »

I love the comments of "If I could get it legitimately easily, I would, but it's easier to torrent". No, it's not. We've had iTunes for years, we now have Spotify, Netflix, Google Play, Amazon and many many more that will all provide you with the content at the press of a button as quick as your internet will allow. Stop trying to justify your actions and just admit you don't want to pay for it.

Spotify was the first service that genuinely made me stop downloading illegal music. itunes was a bit of a horrendous application that was installing a piece of software that interfered with my internet, not sure if its resolved now, but it was a big part why people weren't flocking to it.

In terms of movies, the companies provides licensing to the highest bidder, and exclusivity if all over the place. There is a number of different platforms, potentially numerous monthly subscriptions and in some cases varying stability and quality in service.

Not to mention the Irish selections are garbage, and you need to then start using proxies to get US content, which goes over the head of most people.

But I kinda agree with you, I don't personally make excuses. I just do it. There isn't really any justification for it. But there is people that go on as if they can't comprahend how people pirate, so maybe it helps for people to outline their reasons why?

gandalf wrote: »

TBH over the years I have ended up buying more music from bands because I downloaded their content off the internet first. If it turns out to be something I like then I will invest and give them recognition for that. I own thousands of films, again some I would never have looked at if it wasn't for me downloading them or reading reviews from people who did. I think if the big studios stood back, untwisted their knickers and looked at the big picture they might realise that a more open, transparent and progressive policy would reap bigger rewards for them and they wouldn't have to waste resources on restricting access to content.

Same as yourselves. I've a monster DVD collection, invested early in Blu ray, and have a big collection of that as well. Plenty of movies that I now own, I first saw through downloading. Plenty of bands I like, I first heard from someone sharing an mp3 with me.

I think Spotify has been a big success. For me, it's completely eradicated my illegal downloading of music. Sure, the artists arn't making big bucks from Spotify, but it's got me into some more bands and artists, and got me to more concerts I've never had gone to previously. And thats where they make their money.

OSI wrote: »

iTunes, Google Play and Amazon and a few others all will gladly sell or even rent you movies.

Yup, they do. And they are good services. I use Google Play frequently. but as is already mentioned, there is licensing issues and release issues which means they are scattered everywhere and in most cases not available in Ireland.

Sky actually have a good new service where you can get a DVD release on day 1, and you get the digital copy, but also a hard DVD copy in the post. Price seemed reasonable and was actually a pretty good idea.

A_Sober_Paddy

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

This says it all really

BeerWolf

Go ahead, pirate away on big corp products... and stupidly over priced developer software that cost into the thousands for full package... but I honestly can't stand the idea of people pirating things off small independent groups or single individuals such as from the gaming area...

What excuse do such people have of pirating €1-2 software?

ryanch09

generalmental wrote: »

They have been ripping us off for years. I still have the first CD I ever bought, it was Guns and Roses Use your illusion album and it STILL has the price tag on it. It cost £29.99 not euro but punts.

CDs aren't near that expensive anymore, you'll see them around 13-15 euro these days

bnt

I didn't watch a single 2014-released movie in 2014. How? Because I've let go of the urge to be up to date with new releases. I can wait until they arrive on cable TV, DVR them, and watch them at my leisure. Or DVD in some cases. For example, the first time I saw the Lord Of The Rings films was when I bought the Extended DVDs, and still haven't seen any of the Hobbit movies yet: I'll wait till I have a TV setup that will do them justice.

On the Television forum, I'm a bit bemused by the folks who download TV series the day after they're screened in the USA. What's the rush?

Gbear

With the ability to infinitely duplicate and transfer instantaneously anywhere in the world, the value of digital media has fallen off a cliff.

The actual product you're downloading is worthless - it costs virtually nothing to distribute or produce.

That lack of scarcity is what is driving piracy.

Some industries are lagging behind and are going to have to get with the times.

The gaming industry copped on pretty early that they needed to make buying a game both worthwhile and easy.
Subscription models that paid for continuous access, support and development were popular for a while (but now less so).
Large amounts of locked in content, usually involving multiplayer has also been a factor.

Some of these problems (and the DRM that enforces these systems) can be gotten around, but with the ability to buy any game with the click of a button, usually for reasonable prices (with PC at any rate) and launches that are staggered by a few days at most, it just isn't worth the hassle for most people.

There's also the new trend of things like Kickstarter, Patreon and so on, that make a nonsense of the idea that people are going to pirate artistic industries out of existence.

People want games, films, music; ergo, there is a way to make money by producing them.
Some industries are just too stagnant and intransigent to figure out ways to do that that are relevant to modern society.

MOH

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

"Would you steal a car?"

"I would if I could download it"

batistuta9

OSI wrote: »

I love the comments of "If I could get it legitimately easily, I would, but it's easier to torrent". No, it's not. We've had iTunes for years, we now have Spotify, Netflix, Google Play, Amazon and many many more that will all provide you with the content at the press of a button as quick as your internet will allow. Stop trying to justify your actions and just admit you don't want to pay for it.

go & watch the wire, sopranos, OZ on those legally in ireland (if you even can) and come back to us.

or maybe instead you can watch the latest episode series of south park or even the big bang theory if you like

somesoldiers

bnt wrote: »

I didn't watch a single 2014-released movie in 2014. How? Because I've let go of the urge to be up to date with new releases. I can wait until they arrive on cable TV, DVR them, and watch them at my leisure. Or DVD in some cases. For example, the first time I saw the Lord Of The Rings films was when I bought the Extended DVDs, and still haven't seen any of the Hobbit movies yet: I'll wait till I have a TV setup that will do them justice.

On the Television forum, I'm a bit bemused by the folks who download TV series the day after they're screened in the USA. What's the rush?

to show off how cool you are? Guilty

VinLieger

batistuta9 wrote: »

go & watch the wire, sopranos, OZ on those legally in ireland (if you even can) and come back to us.

or maybe instead you can watch the latest episode series of south park or even the big bang theory if you like

On top of that please find the West Wing, Studio 60, Gilmore girls, parks and recreation on any service available in Ireland

username000

bnt wrote: »

On the Television forum, I'm a bit bemused by the folks who download TV series the day after they're screened in the USA. What's the rush?

Generally if you dont watch it quick it ends up being spoiled for you on the internet, either through social media or news websites such as Buzzfeed etc...

Plus there are fan sites so for example with Game of Thrones, people are on message boards like this one endlessly discussing fan theories (and this all goes on even when the series isnt being aired), but if you are a fan and you want to participate in a fan forum, you cant unless you are up to date or else itll be spoiled for you.

Frigga_92

VinLieger wrote: »

On top of that please find the West Wing, Studio 60, Gilmore girls, parks and recreation on any service available in Ireland

And add to that please Arrow, The Flash and Sleepy Hollow (tv series). Thanks

Tar.Aldarion

36000? Haha, probably 10 times that. It's not something that will ever die, industries need to change like valve changed and now game piracy is less of an issue.

batistuta9

26sdrawkcab wrote: »

VinLieger wrote: »

On top of that please find the West Wing, Studio 60, Gilmore girls, parks and recreation on any service available in Ireland

And add to that please Arrow, The Flash and Sleepy Hollow (tv series). Thanks

at least we can watch the first 3 seasons of modern family on netflixs
wonder will they make a 4th

TheDoc

Ironically paying for my TV license this morning. €160

€160 to go to our national broadcaster, who run advertising between programming. Argue all you want about the poor programming, the inability to secure any good programming, the overpaid stars.

The purpose of a TV license is to subsidize the state broadcaster. The idea being that people in areas that might not have cable, satellite etc., can get a Tv station that broadcasts mutliple genres and interests.

That goes out the window, when the channel run full advertising and the TV license payments are a pure bonus revenue stream on top.

I literally get ill when I fork over €160, considering I am able to receive satellite, and have it, and also have internet functionality. I don't think I've sat down through an RTE 1 or 2 programme, in years.

NotASheeple

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

36,000 Irish adults illegally download every day

Fair play to them.

PizzamanIRL

28064212 wrote: »

Why is it that the pirate providers are capable of providing a much better content delivery platform than the multi-billion dollar studios? When the studios/production companies finally get their shit together and provide 21st century methods of obtaining and viewing their content, I'll start paying them

You don't want to bust every sperm cell when you cum. Apple doesn't want to release every single fancy feature in one phone and release it. They want to stretch it out to maximise their earnings.

It's all money.

K4t

what's the point if they don't get paid for it.

They can deal with it and find a better paid job or get with the times and adjust accordingly to the market they supply to. Illegal downloading is a good thing. The people who mostly lose out are those in the entertainment/music industry purely for the money and those even stranger individuals who live vicariously through them.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

I do use Google's All Access service on my phone, the convenience it offers more than justifies the cost. I also pay for the little one or two euro android games, if you can afford the phone to play these games the least you can do is support the small indie developers. Not a mad fan of paying for movies/tv shows, but if a streaming service was available for this content I'd be happy enough to pay 20 quid a month for it. Mind now it would want to have literally everything I want to watch from latest movie releases to older TV box sets. I don't know if we'll ever see that as long as studios and distributors continue to bitch about licence rights.

Just a small thing on people giving out about the cost of the cinema, I went to Vue in Liffey valley last week and two adult tickets cost under 20 quid. I refuse to buy food in the cinema as it is a horrendous rip off but I don't think a tenner a head for the cinema experience is asking too much. Some movies are just better in the cinema, Interstellar being a relatively recent example.

username000

TheDoc wrote: »

That goes out the window, when the channel run full advertising and the TV license payments are a pure bonus revenue stream on top.

I literally get ill when I fork over €160, considering I am able to receive satellite, and have it, and also have internet functionality. I don't think I've sat down through an RTE 1 or 2 programme, in years.

Actually, you just reminded me of an interesting point.

I dont usually watch tv but I did watch Love/Hate on RTE. I only got into it in the fourth season. I watched the first 3 season on DVD - that I bought from RTE.

However, I soon realised that the DVD releases were missing something - the music! RTE couldnt afford to license the music that they used when they aired it live so the DVDs have crappy muzak on them. It makes a huge difference to the show tbh.

So if anyone asks me if they should watch it I tell them not to waste their money on the DVDs.

Playboy

Film Industry has never been healthier. If they want to reduce piracy then release all content online at the same time worldwide. Staggered region releases is what fuels piracy. I pay for all Sky channels , buy blu-rays, go to cinema, pay for netflix and yet I still download. Give me one service and I'm happy to pay £50+ per month to access HD content at the same time as the US... then I wont download. For me it isnt cost, never has been, its all about convenience and access.

Wossack

Id be happy to pay for a service that trumps what I can currently do in my own living room (it'd be no doubt cheaper). But there doesnt exist one.

KT10

I had a realisation last night when I was in Easons, I spotted the section of magazines for computer games and suddenly flashed back to my youth of working in a supermarket and while the job was crap, one of the perks was I could go take a magazine off the rack for my break and read through it, getting the scoop on all the new and upcoming games.

I literally haven't looked at a games magazine since then.

If I want to find out about a game, I google it or look up a trailer/gameplay demo on Youtube.

I used to download cracked versions of PC games years ago, but not anymore as game developers have copped on and realised they can offer their products to people via digital download and while the system is not perfect (Steam vs Origin vs Battle.net etc.) it enables me to get near instant access to a product I want and am willing to pay for, at a price I don't see as taking the piss.

An example is a couple months ago, I suddenly got the urge to check out Starcraft 2, I fired up google, found out I could buy it for something like €8 via g2a.com, 2 minutes later I was downloading the full game and here's the really impressive part, before the game was 20% downloaded, I was able to fire it up and play as the core files had been part of that 20%.

When it comes to movies, and especially, TV shows, I have the same attitude, I know what I want and I want it now and I'm willing to pay for the privilage. If I can't get what I want via legal means (e.g. I watch Arrow but try finding that on any legal streaming platform thats bang up to date with the US release schedule) then I'll showbox or torrent it.

This whole idea of region restriction is so out of date its not even funny in a sad way.

Not to get all tech preachy on people but there are no borders when it comes the online world. If something is realesed in America, it should be availible worldwide instantly, you're not paying for media to be printed and shipped to the other side of the planet, all you're paying for is rack space in a data centre and bandwidth, which is dirt cheap compared to physically printing media and shipping it.

Game of Thrones was the most pirated show of 2014 and one of the Producers did go on record to say he didn't mind, at least people were watching his show, but he made the point, "If every person who downloaded our show donated $1, just $1, we could make the show ten times better!"

I would have absolutely no problem paying $10 for a full season of GoT if I was given access to a 1080p download the instant it was released elsewhere. But that won't happen cause the networks won't allow it as they want the show to be exclusive to them so they can get money from advertising. The twats.

cnocbui

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

Picked up today in both the Indo & the IT

...

If something doesn't change the studios & record companies will just give up developing product, what's the point if they don't get paid for it.

Here is a list of the highest earning top ten films - every one of them took in more than a billion dollars in revenue:

1 Avatar 2009
2 Titanic 1997
3 The Avengers 2012
4 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2011
5 Frozen film currently playing 2013
6 Iron Man 3 2013
7 Transformers: Dark of the Moon 2011
8 The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King 2003
9 Skyfall 2012
10 Transformers: Age of Extinction 2014

Please note the years, chicken little.

K4t

cnocbui wrote: »

Here is a list of the highest earning top ten films - every one of them took in more than a billion dollars in revenue:

I would rather pay NOT to have to watch most of those movies if given a choice. In fact, the only one I would pay to see is TROTK which I did see in the cinema back in '03.

Frigga_92

batistuta9 wrote: »

at least we can watch the first 3 seasons of modern family on netflixs
wonder will they make a 4th

Nothing worse than Netflix randomly having Seasons 4 and 5 of a show but nothing before or after.

Wossack wrote: »

Id be happy to pay for a service that trumps what I can currently do in my own living room (it'd be no doubt cheaper). But there doesnt exist one.

There's a dirty joke in there somewhere...

John Cherry

For TV we have a cardsharing subscription to a company that has been running for a good while and we very rarely every suffer any downtime with them.

We have a Saorview box as well and with all that we pay no monthly bills what so ever for tv. We have Netflix but will be looking into also getting a sub for it that is the same as the tv. It's a once of payment for it and it does you for the year.

Have 120mb of broadband from UPC which amounts to over 50 euro a month but well worth it. There the best broadband providers in the country. We also have the WWE Network which we get for just over 8 euro a month and has all the PPV events every month and a heap of on demand content,it's the best sub we have and the RR is on this Sunday and I get to watch it for that amount as opposed to what you have to pay Sky which is 25 euro I,mean who do Sky people are going to go to watch the event. I just hope that parents whose kids want to watch the event become aware that they can get it for just over 8 euro as opposed to what Sky are charging.

Spotify and the WWE Network is a good example of providing content where you pay a reasonably price and don't resort to have to download everything. Was thinking of going to the cinema soon to see Taken 3 and then found a DVD copy of it online last night so that saved me a heap of money from having to be robbed by what I would have to pay to go and see it in the cinema for.

extra gravy

Then there's those of us that like European tv shows. I've downloaded the likes of Forbrydelsen, Bron, Les Revenants etc. as they're just not available on the likes of Itunes or Netflix or if they are, it'll be just one series. The genesis add on in Kodi is possibly my favourite recent discovery and has all the tv shows I want in one place for free.

Mesrine65

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

theres no service that offers everything, all in one spot.

Popcorn Time

Kermit.de.frog

IMO what really done it for the big film and music companies when it comes to downloading was the merciless rip off they were engaged in in the 1990's. People got so pissed off that no one had any sympathy for them when the internet beat them up.

cnocbui

Nothing has 'done it' for the film industry or music business, it's mostly propaganda.

eamonnq

username000 wrote: »

Can you give me a link to where I can legitimately get American Sniper please?

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Potatoeman

BeerWolf wrote: »

Go ahead, pirate away on big corp products... and stupidly over priced developer software that cost into the thousands for full package... but I honestly can't stand the idea of people pirating things off small independent groups or single individuals such as from the gaming area...

What excuse do such people have of pirating €1-2 software?

Smaller releaes are not as easy to get online. I know someone making short movies that would not put them on youtube as he would not be able to sell them to TV at some later stage. I was trying to get them to wrap their head around the fact more people seeing them is more important than possibly getting more money. Small artists need people to see their work.

ongarboy

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

IMO what really done it for the big film and music companies when it comes to downloading was the merciless rip off they were engaged in in the 1990's. People got so pissed off that no one had any sympathy for them when the internet beat them up.

Agreed! I look at old CDs I bought in the early 90s that still have the price tag sticker on them of IR£19.99 or single season DVDs in the early 2000s for up to 60 euro. Taking euro and inflation into account those CDs would equate to 37/40 euro now - can you imagine ever paying that now for any music content or anything more than 30 euro for a DVD unless it was part of an entire multi season collection? This would have been when I was a teenager with precious little money!

parttime

generalmental wrote: »

They have been ripping us off for years. I still have the first CD I ever bought, it was Guns and Roses Use your illusion album and it STILL has the price tag on it. It cost £29.99 not euro but punts.

`That was a double album. Still crazy price,and a **** album,if I remember correctly. "you wanna step into my world"...Lol

PopePalpatine

endacl wrote: »

Hola. 'Nuff said.

It gets a bit frustrating when a Hola webpage pops up randomly, usually when visiting sites based in the US.

PLUG71

OSI wrote: »

I love the comments of "If I could get it legitimately easily, I would, but it's easier to torrent". No, it's not. We've had iTunes for years, we now have Spotify, Netflix, Google Play, Amazon and many many more that will all provide you with the content at the press of a button as quick as your internet will allow. Stop trying to justify your actions and just admit you don't want to pay for it.

I dont want to par for it!