Calf Prices 2015 *** DISCUSSION THREAD

Farmer Pudsey

Farrell wrote: »

You're a good man for the tricks FP. Hope you hadn't to learn from experience

You never learn the easy way. Alway tend to have a look at anything that is cheap and chance a few. Made money on Jex bulls over the years killing at sub 24 months. If you get them cheap enough you can make a bob. Got landed with a JEX registered as an LMX can be hard to judge at time in the dar however did not pay a lot for him.

F.D wrote: »

if hex and simx calves stay up at the prices there at at the moment
we will have to think about changing our calf to beef system longterm
been asked up to 420 for the simx and 380 for hex, in reality paying 390 and 360 for 4-5 week old calves
but only 2 years ago we were paying these sort of prices and we got seriously burned last autumn when finishing
the only people that are winning over all are the dairy people selling them first hand (and fair play to them)

No point in buying dear calves, leave them behind and buy as stores in 18 months time. IMO no calf from a dairy cow is worth more than 250 euro and the ones that are bought at 250 are often worth only half that.

AP2014 wrote: »

Calf prices should drop alright, will wealing/yearlings drop though?

Cannot see weanlings/yearlings drop store price should be strong all this year. Will try to buy on opportunity this summer. WH and AA could slump inlate march if the glut arrives that is supposed to be there the WH will still be north of 250 I imagine. However stronger calves 8-10 weeks old might be better value or during the summer at 3-4 months as risk of losses and stunted calves has not to be factored in as weell as Vet bills and feed to get him to that stage,

What is the cost of rearing a HE calf in from 3-10 weeks 150+ euro?.

F.D wrote: »

younger calf prices might drop as they will be a later calf to get out to grass etc
but the calf nearly reared by the dairy man i reckon will still demand a stong price as the work is done rearing him, i even see some guys around me have none bought yet in the hope they will pick them up reared at handy money

You are always as well off to cover your bets buy some wait for some.

larrymiller wrote: »

They will be nothing cheap but prices will ease a bit. That's my prediction anyway

I expect you are right but spring 2017 is looking good for cheap stores

just do it

frazzledhome wrote: »

I sell milk so the sooner they leave to sooner the milk goes to tank

Averaging €60 per calf this season all under 15 days Happy out

Read in the comic (either todays or last weeks) that the JEX cows leaves €100 profit per year on a grass based system. Didn't give detail so not sure if that includes income from calf sales.

J DEERE

Reggie. wrote: »

Hard to know. The American prospect might keep the price high. Not many cattle out there for slaughter

Tbh I wouldn't be relying overly heavy on the prospect of the American market as I honestly believe that it will not be as influential as People are hoping. Whole Foods have their own requirements of their suppliers before they buy their beef, one of which that the animal has lived its entire life on the one farm

locky76

I'm collecting 10 Angus calves off a neighbour tomorrow, a mix of bulls and heifers....
They are three to four weeks old and all in good order.
What sort of money could I expect to pay for them?

Reggie.

locky76 wrote: »

I'm collecting 10 Angus calves off a neighbour tomorrow, a mix of bulls and heifers....
They are three to four weeks old and all in good order.
What sort of money could I expect to pay for them?

€200 to €250

blue5000

F.D wrote: »

younger calf prices might drop as they will be a later calf to get out to grass etc
but the calf nearly reared by the dairy man i reckon will still demand a stong price as the work is done rearing him, i even see some guys around me have none bought yet in the hope they will pick them up reared at handy money

I think the dairy lads will keep these reared calves and graze them for the summer anyway.

Reggie.

blue5000 wrote: »

I think the dairy lads will keep these reared calves and graze them for the summer anyway.

If they have the land/grass to spare

Mad4simmental

FP would you think the beef price in two years time will hit an all time low with oversupply followed by a big spike in price short term as people jump off the boat only to jump back on agin?

I know other factors are in play to.

Reggie.

Mad4simmental wrote: »

FP would you think the beef price in two years time will hit an all time low with oversupply followed by a big spike in price short term as people jump off the boat only to jump back on agin?

I know other factors are in play to.

Same auld story

Farmer Pudsey

Mad4simmental wrote: »

FP would you think the beef price in two years time will hit an all time low with oversupply followed by a big spike in price short term as people jump off the boat only to jump back on agin?

I know other factors are in play to.

One big factor effecting supply is the way farmers tend to throw cattle at processors. Take this winter loads of lad finished young forward store as they presumed on a very strong winter price. The only cattle I finished was three year old bullocks that I did not sell off grass.

I am afraid that farmers will never learn to regulate supply I know it is easier said than done. Look at the situtation at present. Calf prices are good and some dairy farmers are thinking of holding same. Last year same dairy farmers could not get rid of them fast enough. It will all depend on numbers. Only thing I notice is some lads are shyer about getting sucked into buying expensive cattle.

However the reality is it is a numbers game as we can see at present strong UK price and US prospects still numbers keep a lid on price. Kill over 30K is an issue as we can see. It is too early yet to think of longterm outcome a lot depends on amount of suckler weanlings exported. If balance is right outcome is not too bad,

Issue is where farmers cannot afford to buy there normal spec and buy calves or weanlings instead and out bid exporters.

Base price

Aaagghh.. I hate that we cannot comment on the calf prices thread
Caseman I assume that the price you quoted is either a typo or else the bulls were a lot older than calves.

J DEERE

Would 3-4 week old friesians be worth a punt at 110 a piece? Aim to sell at 18 months as bullocks

frazzledhome

J DEERE wrote: »

Would 3-4 week old friesians be worth a punt at 110 a piece? Aim to sell at 18 months as bullocks

If they are good calves yes it about the mart value.

A lot of talk of great prices. I'm at the mart every week and I notice a lot if guys standing off till a really good calf comes into the ring

Calves fr are averaging €70 with an odd really good one at €140 and the small lads making €40-50

Reggie.

frazzledhome wrote: »

If they are good calves yes it about the mart value.

A lot of talk of great prices. I'm at the mart every week and I notice a lot if guys standing off till a really good calf comes into the ring

Calves fr are averaging €70 with an odd really good one at €140 and the small lads making €40-50

As always only the good prices will get mentioned

_Brian

Reggie. wrote: »

As always only the good prices will get mentioned

Same with most of the online mart reports.. I've no interest in knowing what the top 6 animals made in any mart.. I want to see a spread or prices to get a picture how the market lies.. At any sale there are always a few animals that sell above their value and this is what you see reported everywhere... in many ways its pointless.

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

Same with most of the online mart reports.. I've no interest in knowing what the top 6 animals made in any mart.. I want to see a spread or prices to get a picture how the market lies.. At any sale there are always a few animals that sell above their value and this is what you see reported everywhere... in many ways its pointless.

That's why I always look for the complete report from the mart online

_Brian

J DEERE wrote: »

Would 3-4 week old friesians be worth a punt at 110 a piece? Aim to sell at 18 months as bullocks

frazzledhome wrote: »

If they are good calves yes it about the mart value.

A lot of talk of great prices. I'm at the mart every week and I notice a lot if guys standing off till a really good calf comes into the ring

Calves fr are averaging €70 with an odd really good one at €140 and the small lads making €40-50

Particularly if you buying ex farm and have a better idea of their breeding.. In the mart it has to be calf by calf.. Well marked BF calves would be a good buy at €110, Ho not so much value at that price.

Farmer Pudsey

J DEERE wrote: »

Would 3-4 week old friesians be worth a punt at 110 a piece? Aim to sell at 18 months as bullocks

Yes not so sure if I would hold until 18 months. If price next spring is as strong as this spring I be selling as yearlings. If you can get these calves to 300+kgs by this time next year and if the price is in the region of 2/kg it is hard to see them making enough more to make holding until 18 months viable.

Kovu

_Brian wrote: »

Same with most of the online mart reports.. I've no interest in knowing what the top 6 animals made in any mart.. I want to see a spread or prices to get a picture how the market lies.. At any sale there are always a few animals that sell above their value and this is what you see reported everywhere... in many ways its pointless.

I always liked the ones that gave prices ranging from €2.37 p/kg to €1.65 p/kg or from €X TO €X so you can give a good guesstimate as to average ppk.

J DEERE

_Brian wrote: »

Particularly if you buying ex farm and have a better idea of their breeding.. In the mart it has to be calf by calf.. Well marked BF calves would be a good buy at €110, Ho not so much value at that price.

BF costing 175-200 in the area ex farm good shape though. HO are 110, they wouldn't be extreme but would be 3/4 HO. Buying from neighbor. Would BF be better value at that coin?

Henwin

AA BULL 4 weeks old made £395
AA Heifer 4 weeks old made £285
FR Bull 4 weeks old made £222

caseman

Base price wrote: »

Aaagghh.. I hate that we cannot comment on the calf prices thread
Caseman I assume that the price you quoted is either a typo or else the bulls were a lot older than calves.

3 week old calves 110 each nice jersey cross

larrymiller

Anyone know what time calf sale starts in Ross on a Saturday?

shanboman

New Ross;
Sheep sales start at 10 a.m..Calf sales at 11.30 a.m. Cattle sales which begin at 1 p.m

mf240

J DEERE wrote: »

BF costing 175-200 in the area ex farm good shape though. HO are 110, they wouldn't be extreme but would be 3/4 HO. Buying from neighbor. Would BF be better value at that coin?

If you are finishing them go holstien if selling as stores go for the bf.

Milked out

Had an aa heifer land yday a bit early, small hardy girl but she has a brownish coat you'd swear the fecker was a jersey

leg wax

shanboman wrote: »

New Ross;
Sheep sales start at 10 a.m..Calf sales at 11.30 a.m. Cattle sales which begin at 1 p.m

calves start at 11 or sooner as numbers are huge for ross at over 700 last week ,cattle start at 11.30. it must have been a while since you were there :eek:

larrymiller

Lads I'm testing next week. What's the story if I get calves now do they have to be tested?

Reggie.

larrymiller wrote: »

Lads I'm testing next week. What's the story if I get calves now do they have to be tested?

Yeah they will be

larrymiller

Reggie. wrote: »

Yeah they will be

Damn!! If I test Monday and buy Wednesday what's the story there?

Kovu

larrymiller wrote: »

Damn!! If I test Monday and buy Wednesday what's the story there?

They'll be ok, only what's in your herd profile at time of test will be in the vets handheld to be cleared. Just mention it if you buy any and split them from your herd so they won't have to go up the crush and create confusion.

Also would be good herd management if (god forbid) you did go down in the test.

larrymiller

Kovu wrote: »

They'll be ok, only what's in your herd profile at time of test will be in the vets handheld to be cleared. Just mention it if you buy any and split them from your herd so they won't have to go up the crush and create confusion.

Also would be good herd management if (god forbid) you did go down in the test.

That's grand il do that so. Although dad went to the mart today for a look heaps and heaps of fr bulls and anything else was like gold . Will chance a small few anyway and maybe hold out for a while

greysides

larrymiller wrote: »

Damn!! If I test Monday and buy Wednesday what's the story there?

Kovu wrote: »

They'll be ok, only what's in your herd profile at time of test will be in the vets handheld to be cleared. Just mention it if you buy any and split them from your herd so they won't have to go up the crush and create confusion.

Also would be good herd management if (god forbid) you did go down in the test.

Sorry but if you test Monday and are reading on Thursday then you can't buy in while the test is in progress. So you can't buy on Wednesday.

KatyMac

Milked out wrote: »

Had an aa heifer land yday a bit early, small hardy girl but she has a brownish coat you'd swear the fecker was a jersey

Wouldn't be out of Mogeelly Joe would it? I have a lovely weanling heifer from late last year - she is chocolate brown with her mother's white head. I don't think any neighbour's bull was involved, but can't be 100% sure.

PatQfarmer

lakill Farm wrote: »

Red Hereford bull calf (3 weeks) €200
AAX, LIMX & HEX Heifer calves (3 weeks) €180 each

That's from a dealer

You didn't do too bad...knowing the dealer:rolleyes:

Reggie.

PatQfarmer wrote: »

You didn't do too bad...knowing the dealer:rolleyes:

So your his source

wats the craic

leg wax wrote: »

calves start at 11 or sooner as numbers are huge for ross at over 700 last week ,cattle start at 11.30. it must have been a while since you were there :eek:

ya and to think 10 yrs ago they were strong rumours of new ross mart closing . and putting houses over there . its booming over there the last couple yrs

Deepsouthwest

12 friesan with a bit of jx through most of them 3 wks down to 10 days made €90 out of the yard, not big calves but healthy

frazzledhome

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

12 friesan with a bit of jx through most of them 3 wks down to 10 days made €90 out of the yard, not big calves but healthy

Just about to milk penno cows this evening and a guy rolled into yard, local farmer. Bought 8 1 wk old fr calves really big calves €130 each. Took all of 15 mins. Love guys like that, no bollixing

td5man

frazzledhome wrote: »

Just about to milk penno cows this evening and a guy rolled into yard, local farmer. Bought 8 1 wk old fr calves really big calves €130 each. Took all of 15 mins. Love guys like that, no bollixing

A few pints tonight so.

Reggie.

td5man wrote: »

A few pints tonight so.

Are ya buying

frazzledhome

td5man wrote: »

A few pints tonight so.

Now that you said it

High bike

What are young prolly heifers making at the moment,bout 10 days old?

joejobrien

16 FR bulls, 10 days to 18 days old, some of them light enough 115 out of yard. Yesterday.

Sheep breeder

in newross yesterday about 470 calves in it got 2 heifers bb @360 and a sax @310, calves were a mad trade the plain small calf was a rob especially the aa calf, uncle larry has all the lads following to his tune to the tar barrels outside the factory,
newross had a good sale yesterday amazing how when a good fella selling the stock improves a place and kills the dealers and the mart up the road nearly closed and it one time the biggest in the south east, a mart needs to run right.

larrymiller

Sheep breeder wrote: »

in newross yesterday about 470 calves in it got 2 heifers bb @360 and a sax @310, calves were a mad trade the plain small calf was a rob especially the aa calf, uncle larry has all the lads following to his tune to the tar barrels outside the factory,
newross had a good sale yesterday amazing how when a good fella selling the stock improves a place and kills the dealers and the mart up the road nearly closed and it one time the biggest in the south east, a mart needs to run right.

Picked up a few aax bulls and heifers all between 140.180
Tought it was better than enniscorthy good mix

Greengrass1

Sheep breeder wrote: »

in newross yesterday about 470 calves in it got 2 heifers bb @360 and a sax @310, calves were a mad trade the plain small calf was a rob especially the aa calf, uncle larry has all the lads following to his tune to the tar barrels outside the factory,
newross had a good sale yesterday amazing how when a good fella selling the stock improves a place and kills the dealers and the mart up the road nearly closed and it one time the biggest in the south east, a mart needs to run right.

I always thought enniscorthy allowed none of the dealers run the place.
Carnew on the other hand.....

frazzledhome

If ye want to see dealers tuning a place go to KK. It's a disgrace with pathetic auctioneers full if their own Bullshyte.

Auctioneer will tolerate dealers divving good calves among themselves allowing bidding to start a €5. Cull cow ring is worse with MR C. performing.

I was selling cull cows a few yrs ago 12 out. All good straight grazing cows. Sold six and not another six as felt dealers were getting it too handy. No box for seller there and when I didn't sell Mr C. announces Mr X this isn't how we do business here and my response was when your selling your own cattle you'd have a different puss on you. Brought to another mart 2 days later and got €180 per head more.

Another day after selling cheap calves a little weasel dealer who bought them approached me for luck before I'd left the podium. I turned kinda awkward with my elbow leading and he some how went through an open door ending on his arse in the yard. Among much mirth I went over and said he was lucky I didn't mean it

mf240

frazzledhome wrote: »

If ye want to see dealers tuning a place go to KK. It's a disgrace with pathetic auctioneers full if their own Bullshyte.

Auctioneer will tolerate dealers divving good calves among themselves allowing bidding to start a €5. Cull cow ring is worse with Mr C. performing.

I was selling cull cows a few yrs ago 12 out. All good straight grazing cows. Sold six and not another six as felt dealers were getting it too handy. No box for seller there and when I didn't sell Mr C. announces Mr X this isn't how we do business here and my response was when your selling your own cattle you'd have a different puss on you. Brought to another mart 2 days later and got €180 per head more.

Another day after selling cheap calves a little weasel dealer who bought them approached me for luck before I'd left the podium. I turned kinda awkward with my elbow leading and he some how went through an open door ending on his arse in the yard. Among much mirth I went over and said he was lucky I didn't mean it

Bought milking cows there a couple of times in the last few years and that clown spouting would nearly put you off.

larrymiller

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I always thought enniscorthy allowed none of the dealers run the place.
Carnew on the other hand.....

Is carnew that bad gg? I